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Old 04-18-2017, 12:51 PM
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Four definite engines for the JL

Just found out the jl will be available with the following engines
2.0L (probably a diesel)
2.2L (probably a diesel)
3.0L (probably another diesel)
3.6L (Most likely the pentastar)
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Just found out the jl will be available with the following engines
2.0L (probably a diesel)
2.2L (probably a diesel)
3.0L (probably another diesel)
3.6L (Most likely the pentastar)
The 2.0L should be the turbo gasoline. The 3.0L is the diesel, the other one is probably an other diesel for Europe and other foreign markets

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Highly unlikely that this is true. No reason to have more than one diesel option because a single diesel can be both torquey and efficient. I don't see why they would have different diesels for different markets either. It seems the U.S. has some of the most strict diesel regulations (hence why the 2.8l in the JK is not available in the U.S.), so if they have a diesel for the U.S. market, there would be no reason to have even a second diesel option.
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Highly unlikely that this is true. No reason to have more than one diesel option because a single diesel can be both torquey and efficient. I don't see why they would have different diesels for different markets either. It seems the U.S. has some of the most strict diesel regulations (hence why the 2.8l in the JK is not available in the U.S.), so if they have a diesel for the U.S. market, there would be no reason to have even a second diesel option.
Actually there are many reasons to have a different diesel for different markets. Essentially the same reason there's a 3.0L Pentastar for China only.

- Different jurisdictions put engines in displacement and cylinder count categories for regulations, taxes and insurance, etc. That's why Europe have a bunch of 3 cylinder, and 1.xL engines.

- The EcoDiesel is currently being investigated in Europe, so putting in a 2.2L Fiat that is already found in the Alfas and Cherokee in Europe makes sense, far more sense than that Tiny Turbo4 in N.Am. That's an engine that again makes more sense in a foreign regulation region because of displacement 2.0L vs 3.6L 4cyl vs 6. Even in North America the GC isn't available with the EcoDiesel during the EPA investigstion, the RAM still has it, but it's a different class of vehicle. Might be a stopgap measure until Eco is a GO again.

- Existing engine distributions both limited availabiltiy/capacity for EcoDiesel, as well as Geographical benefits (EcoDiesels are made in N.Am., the 2.2 MultiJetII is made in Europe). There's already lots of demand for the Ecodiesel in the RAM that it's an issue for the Grand Cherokee.

- To the Geography issue, could be preparing for tarrifs based on sourcing of thing like the engine. Trump's America first works both ways. Not likely, but possible.

There's a few surface reasons that could easily explain why there would be another diesel in the lineup.

The interesting thing is that the 2.2L MJII produces about the same HP/torque as the current 2.8L CRD, so being lighter and more efficient would give it great numbers for the markets that are diesel-centric, especially for the overlanders.

As to the list itself, I simply wonder what happens to the 3.0L Pentastar curently in China, I assume it's simply left out in principle as it always is as it's always the exception to the norms.
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Wake me up when the 5.9 is available. Until then...
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dang I was hoping they were going with a ford 2.7 ecoboost
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Maybe the 2.2L is for the hybrid Wrangler?
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- Different jurisdictions put engines in displacement and cylinder count categories for regulations, taxes and insurance, etc. That's why Europe have a bunch of 3 cylinder, and 1.xL engines.
I didn't realize that a 2.8l diesel and a 3.0l diesel would be in different categories.

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- The EcoDiesel is currently being investigated in Europe, so putting in a 2.2L Fiat that is already found in the Alfas and Cherokee in Europe makes sense, far more sense than that Tiny Turbo4 in N.Am. That's an engine that again makes more sense in a foreign regulation region because of displacement 2.0L vs 3.6L 4cyl vs 6. Even in North America the GC isn't available with the EcoDiesel during the EPA investigstion, the RAM still has it, but it's a different class of vehicle. Might be a stopgap measure until Eco is a GO again.
Isn't the 2.2l found in FWD configurations? Can it even be used in a RWD configuration?
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I didn't realize that a 2.8l diesel and a 3.0l diesel would be in different categories.
Well they already are in dfferent classes just based on 4cyl vs 6cyl difference alone. Some regulations are split at the half litre mark like 1.5L/2.5L/etc, others are X.0L which technically the Ecodiesel would be in the same Litre split since it's 2.988L. However itends the local splits. Some regulations are based on Bore size. The MJII and Ecodiesel are similar in the 80-ish mm range so no difference there.

However, due to the abismal emissions performance of the super tiny engines 1.2L and under, Europe is starting to move away from cylinder and displacement to actual real world NOX/CO/CO2/HC/PM, again where the 2.2L would likely do much better than the 3.0L.

The point being whatever the measure the are different specs they may need to comply/compete with where the 2.2L MJII might be a better fit, or even required.

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Isn't the 2.2l found in FWD configurations? Can it even be used in a RWD configuration?
I don't think it's FWD only, it's currently in the AWD Alfa Stelvio where it mates with the same ZF 8HP50 expected in the JL (not the HP55 transaxle), then since the transfer case connection would occur after that transmission then it's likely not a barrier to implementation.

But at this point it's as unknown as the possibility of the Tremec 3160 which is currently RWD only, but their own literature has a variant targeted at SUVs and Trucks, so the JL could be breaking ground on a few different implementations.

As ever this is not facts/press releases, I'm just stating possible explanations of why something might be.
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Why can't we get a turbo/super-charged Pentastar? That would be cool.
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I didn't realize that a 2.8l diesel and a 3.0l diesel would be in different categories.
And on top of it and all that greapape correctly described, there is the ever-present "cultural factor". The same (but reversed) that makes many americans here wanting a 5.7 V8.
Europeans are not used to drive large displacement 6 cylinder. Since the duesel is the only version a European will ever seriously consider for an off-road vehicle... if you want to i crease the sales figure, an entry level is required. Ans since the 2.2 miltijet2 is already in the house i think they'll offer it in foreign markets

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