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Old 01-11-2009, 02:41 AM   #1
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Not so positive OHV article

Off-road vehicle use fuels tension, violence across U.S. - USATODAY.com

Ya'll might want to read this and maybe send some comments on it from the non 10 percenters.

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Old 01-11-2009, 08:26 AM   #2
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i really hate the small groups that misuse this sport. very few numbers of idiots, brand the whole lifestyle, it really bugs me. especially when its atv and dirt bikes to, those guys seem to be more reckless.

and you know darn well that trail was sabotaged where that kid died, that isn't right either.

i sure hope everyone on this forum is aware of these issues, and do not wheel on private property (unauthorized), or under power lines, or while drinking, and don't throw garbage on trails, and don't trash the land.

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Old 01-11-2009, 10:35 AM   #3
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Unfortunately, I think we've all seen the people the article is talking about even though this is a pretty clear cut case of yellow journalism. It's slanted, but, I've wheeled behind a group who chose to get drunk and ride the trails, picked up piles of trash, seen fresh cut trails that shouldn't be there.

I do think it's more than 10% of recreational riders who are irresponsible and if you lived in my town you'd understand why. The Dunies around here are rude and reckless in the road, and I know it carries over onto the trail. I've seen it.
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why is it that the media only seems to publish the bad stories about off-roaders. you never see an article about how an off-road club goes out and helps maintain the environment, or does "toys for tots" runs, or clean up trails. its' always about what terrible people we are. I never see anything published about off-roaders "treading lightly" or following the "tread lightly" mind set. here in new jersey the only place to really legally off orad is in the pine barrens. all of the trails are actually fire access roads (they really have street names and can be found on a road map). the off-roaders in the state help maintain these "roads" by keeping brush and growth out of the way and clear. if we didn't do it, the state would clear them anyway. it feels like we are all being punished for a small number or jerks that ruin land. here's what you can equate it to: a small number of people commit murders. so instead of just punishing the guilty ones, you throw all of humanity into prison. does that mean murders are going to stop b/c everyone is in prison...NO, it's going to happen anyway. just like off-roading, if you take the privilidge away from EVERYONE those select few "jerks" are still going to do it and the are probably going to inflict even more damage, simply out of spite.
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Ever seen positive articles on anything? Not usually. That's the way the news works. People revel in other's heartache in order to make themselves feel better. If they were reading about how wonderful other people's lives are they'd be depressed... and not buy newspapers.

The media uses slant to move public opinion. They're like that friend who talks behind your back and passes on information to cause fights.
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Old 01-11-2009, 10:55 AM   #6
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once again, good point. do you know that you are very good at putting things in to perspective?
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Agreed. The world today is no different than it was 6 decades ago. The media just would like you to believe that evil lurks at every corner. There has (historically) always been bad stuff going on. The media just covered things differently back then. Hell, the word "Terrorism" was coined by a member of the media and now EVERYONE thinks Hajji is hiding in their shrubs waiting to blow up their family.

Yes, there are some real boneheads that go out to the OHV parks and mess stuff up and make things bad for the rest of us. But if things were really as bad as the article makes out, I would think the first thing that all the states would do would be close down all the OHV parks and arrest everyone that tries to use the closed trails. But, the last time I checked (the State of California anyway) the website is still up and they are welcoming people. And if things are really that bad on private property, they would write more citations than warnings as the article stated.

I think here (Cali) is a little different because unless you have a valid vehicle license or a purchased off road vehicle pass, you're not allowed to use the trails and the penalties are pretty stiff.

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Property owners across the country report that they have been threatened and their homes vandalized by off-road-vehicle users. In Nevada, Pennsylvania and elsewhere, rangers say riders have punched them or charged them with their vehicles.
Here in California, rangers are also police officers and pack the authority to arrest. You're not gonna get away with punching a Ranger around here. Unless you really like the taste of dirt and a foot on the back of your neck.

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Riders also are becoming victims. In June, 13-year-old Nicholas Parisot of Wilton, Conn., died of neck injuries after riding his two-wheel dirt bike on private property and hitting a rope tied between trees. Wilton police are investigating whether someone sabotaged the trail, says Capt. Michael Lombardo.
I hope they find and fry the bastid that did this. But if they dont, I would think living your life knowing you've killed a child and carrying that around would be worse than any sentence. One can only hope that the jackass that did this gets so remorseful over it and loses his mind to the point where he sends a nice hot round through his soft thick head.

Then there's always people who exaggerate.
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Klasky owns 15 acres in Wonder Valley, east of Twentynine Palms. In April, he confronted a trespassing off-roader. "He got on his machine and tried to run me down," he says. "As I'm jumping out of the way, he reaches out and slugs me on the head."
That is one tallented Kung Fu ATV rider! I'm not saying it's impossible... Especially from a CGI, Hollywood movie perspective.

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A few months earlier, swastikas were painted at the entrance to his driveway, he says. Klasky is Jewish. "This place is supposed to be my retreat and where I'm going to retire," he says. "It's turned into a battleground."
No, you probably have NO IDEA what a real battleground looks like! But, OMG!!! Nazis on ATVs?! How would a trespassing ATV rider know the religion of the home owner unless he had a big menorah on the front lawn? If you ask me, this moron has pissed off the locals. I would say for sure that the swastikas weren't the work of OHVers. And, has nothing to do with the topic of the article. Hell I bet the reporter either made it up or included an unrelated story into this one to offer more impact. God knows trespassing OHVers are bad... But Nazi, trespassing OHVers! I'm smelling Pulitzer!

I don't know. Things like this just get my blood pumping.

HEY USA TODAY!!! How about a nice article about clubs getting together to do a nice trail clean up or The Wheelers for the Wounded? Nah, not enough blood and guts I guess!

Did I mention I HATE the Media?!
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:49 PM   #8
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I'm glad that I could put something up that's kind of lit a fire on here and started some discussion. All to often things like this go unnoticed and it hurts us in the long run. Hell I was up til 3 am last night writing and posting proposed changes to our AZOHVC by laws.
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Old 01-11-2009, 01:02 PM   #9
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Well Jack... Looks like we're gonna have to take things into our own hands. I know a surplus store that can get us a decent group buy on machine gun mounts.

We'll call it the "Trail Lightly or we'll shoot your a$$!" campaign!

And I also know a thing or two about land ownership laws. We'll just declare "right of public domain" on these belly-aching property owners, give em a dollar for everything up to a 1000 acres. That should shut em up!

Hehehehehehehe......
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I think the biggest problem is law enforcement in these areas is extremely thin at best. Everyone knows it, and some abuse it because they know they can get away with it. Its becoming popular for govt agency's to close an area rather than police and maintain it. Turning a piece of land into wilderness or closing it sounds very appealing to an agency with tight budgets and trying to maintain a vast area land and. I know in the area I live there is one Ranger and he has about 50 square mile to cover. We hardly ever see the guy.

There is only one thing to do. Get involved to the fullest extent you can. When I looking for a club, I looked for one that is active in working with the USFS right where I live. Join a local and/or national organization that is active in preserving these lands for what we enjoy.
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:52 AM   #11
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Ever seen positive articles on anything? Not usually. That's the way the news works. People revel in other's heartache in order to make themselves feel better. If they were reading about how wonderful other people's lives are they'd be depressed... and not buy newspapers.

The media uses slant to move public opinion. They're like that friend who talks behind your back and passes on information to cause fights.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. the newspaper does not seek out negative stories to write about. who wants to open their newspaper and read that "today, at john doe elementary, everything went fine. there was nothing out of the ordinary to report."

similarly, aside from enthusiasts like us, no one would read a story about a OHV park where everything is staying status quo.
my wife was a newspaper reporter for five years, and she wrote plenty of "feel good" stories as well as stories about things not so good.

as far as using slant to move public opinion. I'm going to disagree to an extent. yes, there is often bias present, but i do not believe its to the extent everyone claims it is. do you know that just about every story my wife wrote covering local politics, she got hate mail from BOTH SIDES claiming bias? both sides felt it was slanted the other way.

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OHV parks are few and far between (if they exist at all?) in Texas. The only public land i have ever wheeled on is the national seashore. several 4wd clubs organize trash clean up trips (the natural current of the gulf deposits everything in one area---makes for awesome beachcombing). its had a major story in the San Antonio newspaper on several occasions.

of course, the hippy ratio here is much lower than in other places, so maybe wheelers dont have the same stigma
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:00 AM   #12
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with this. the newspaper does not seek out negative stories to write about. who wants to open their newspaper and read that "today, at john doe elementary, everything went fine. there was nothing out of the ordinary to report.
i think you are missing the point. we are not asking that they write stories like
"people went off-roading today and nothing happened." the problem is that the off-road groups that do good things are never acknowledged. i never read stories in my local paper about the local group that does toy's for tots runs, or when they go out as a group and clean up parks and playgrounds. i have to read about it on their website or hear it through the grapevine.
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Good news is not news. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a positive article on the front page.
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i don't know that i've ever seen a positive article on the front page of any of the big news papers. nice, does not sell news papers. the news papers ore not in business to spread the "news" they are in business to sell newspapers. if they could get away with publishing porn on the front page they would. they will publish whatever will get the papers off the shelves.
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Ever seen positive articles on anything? Not usually. That's the way the news works. People revel in other's heartache in order to make themselves feel better. If they were reading about how wonderful other people's lives are they'd be depressed... and not buy newspapers.
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good news on the FRONT page....ok, that i will give you, but you said "positive articles on anything"
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Good news is not news. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a positive article on the front page.
While I sort of agree, I donít think anyone would read or buy a newspaper filled with positive articles. The journalists job is to locate problems or conflicts and shed light on them.

That said, CBS Sunday Morning is wonderful and runs almost nothing but positive stories.

Backpackers litter, short cut trails, piss too close to water and do all sorts of other silly things. I think we are just sad about human nature, and the fact that we have to accept limitations on our actions even if we are not the potential abusers of our freedoms.
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Did I mention I HATE the Media?!
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Well Jack... Looks like we're gonna have to take things into our own hands. I know a surplus store that can get us a decent group buy on machine gun mounts.

We'll call it the "Trail Lightly or we'll shoot your a$$!" campaign!

And I also know a thing or two about land ownership laws. We'll just declare "right of public domain" on these belly-aching property owners, give em a dollar for everything up to a 1000 acres. That should shut em up!

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