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Old 08-24-2008, 01:30 AM   #31
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just kinda bored and looking through old post...but how did the comp cut and cage turn out???

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Belts - remember a 4 point harness will hurt you bad in a crash. The lap belt has to be around your hips to be effective. If the lap belt slips higher up above your hips, into the soft part of your belly (the shoulder belts are pulling it up,) your stomach, spleen and other organs get smashed. That can be deadly.

That's why the 5th belt, the belt between the legs, it holds the lap belt down in position. Plus, it the lap belt was on loose, you can actually slip under it.

Most folks say they will, but don't put on the crotch belt.

That's why 4, 5 and 6 point racing belts are not legal for street use.

Check with your local authorities - most go by DOT rules.

Notice the shoulder belt on a stock harness attaches to the mount, not the belt like in racing belts. Problem with them is you can slide out the side of the shoulder belt.


Remember too - in a crash the body can move up - the body mounts break - if belts are attached to the frame but the floor and seat raises up - YOU - your body - is holding everything together. They make gopher traps like that.
Picture what will happen in a bad crash or roll, then prevent it.

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Why go through the trouble of mounting it to the frame if your seat and roll cage are both mounted to the body?

Also imagine sliding under your 5 point H harness if the bottom one between the legs is buckled in. OUCH lol

But yes the H harnesses do slide up if not installed and fastened properly.
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The perception is the 5th belt is a nut crusher, but in reality it isn't.
When the lap belt is held in the proper position, it's impossible to slide underneath. Your bones would have to be pulverized into a liquid first - but then it wouldn't make much difference.
Unless you've put the whole thing on super loose - but any safety system used wrong can be a hazard.

The idea of a cage it to create a safety capsule. If part of the safety system, like belts, is attached to the body, and other parts are attached to the frame - what happens when the body mounts break loose from the frame and it shifts - even if it's only an inch or two?

You see all the time where guys attached the lap belt and seat to the floor, but attached the shoulder harness to the cage. Totally unsafe!

Notice a stock system the cage is attached to the floor, so are the lap belts and the seat. If the frame separates from the body - even taking the drivetrain with it - you are still in the safety capsule.

If one doesn't believe that bodies come loose from frames, take a look at crashed cars in a boneyard. The mounts break, the body shifts, then sometimes it settles back, so look hard.

NASCAR is different - they don't use convertibles or glass tops. The cage is entirely inside the body - trapped there.
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You see all the time where guys attached the lap belt and seat to the floor, but attached the shoulder harness to the cage. Totally unsafe!
Notice a stock system the cage is attached to the floor, so are the lap belts and the seat. If the frame separates from the body - even taking the drivetrain with it - you are still in the safety capsule.
All the roll cages i've seen are attached to the body, not to the frame therefore whats the problem with connecting the shoulder harness to the cage? Also the stock shoulder belt system is installed to the (stock) role cage also isnt it?
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:53 AM   #36
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jeep is still in the shop. progress is being made The seat are bolted to flat steel plate/strap that is welded to the cradle. The cradle is welded together into the cage, which will be attached to the frame.

FYI, i am going to use 5 pt harness, since it came up in one of the above posts. We are ordering those soon. Had to measure and position the seats and horizontal harness bar and X that go behind the driver and passenger seats first before deciding on which securing method to go with for the harness... wrap, tabs, etc. the harnesses will be attached to the cage.

John had to rework the overhead tube work because it came too close to my skull after the seats placement was decided on. Things were relocated and new bends were added to give more clearance.

The emissions stuff (evap canister and LDP) have been relocated into the tub ontop of the rear wheel well.

John did some cool customizing of my new genright rocker guards to have them flow/look better with my custom front tube fenders. He's got some pretty cool shop machines, an Ironworker called The Paranha that can cut and punch thru 1/2" steel like it was butter.

He's working this weekend on the rear of the cage, additional reinforcement and stuff. The comp cut is going to be last after all the other stuff is done. Then I'll drive it over to AO for the 10" stretch.

I'll post more pics next week but here are a few.





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Looking good Ben.
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a few more pictures of my jeeps cage from today




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Old 09-01-2008, 01:13 AM   #39
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kickass SHERIFF rig


The owner of HunterOffroad also works for the Phx Sheriff department and he built that rig shown above to help chase down the baddies in the az desert and to be a visible law presence out at our trails
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OH GREAT! Thanks a lot! The drool got down into my keyboard and shorted out my laptop!

Looks Freakin' Awesome!
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saw a lamborghini convertable driving home today so I have to post the pic.


here are more new pictures of the jeep cage.






relocated emissions stuff from underneath the fender to ontop of the wheel well to get ready for the stretch






I'm getting out my Summit catelog to order up the harnesses
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Old 09-05-2008, 08:45 PM   #42
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Your jeep looks sharp, keep up the good work.
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Ben - the Cage is looking sick!

Stretch? 14B, D60's?!
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Ben - the Cage is looking sick!

Stretch? 14B, D60's?!
Thanks man, yep, getting the stretch same as Jack's and Lance's jeeps. I talked with Joe about coilovers but I'm going with regular coils all around initially.

I've got okay/decent axles under it now with the 35 spline shafts in the rear. If I'm not stupid crazy with the jeep they should last forever... the ring and pinion are a different story but if I'm careful they should last a long time too. Up front is the tj d44 but with chromo 30 spline shafts and yukon superjoint u-joints. Its the balljoints I'm mostly worried about.

If I breakdown alot because of axles I'll probably eventually go D60 or hi-9. 14bolt are heavy and hang super low.
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Yeah, but with 14bolt, you can go to 42's!

What size tire are you running now? 36"?

I keep telling myself that I want to run 39's when I overhaul mine.... sometime in the next couple of years. DoubleD30's front and rear.
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I'm on smallish 38's. lol. I was thinking of stepping down to 37's but with the stretch in the works and the added room I think I'll keep the 38's for awhile longer. we'll see how the axles and driveline hold up to it. double D30's... can't go wrong with that
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and here is another cool project that Hunter is finishing up. Thats a Toyota (I think) on 39"+ bias claws.
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I need to move to Arizona. You guys have all the cool stuff out there.
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Old 09-08-2008, 05:02 PM   #49
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Today I ordered the belts/harnesses

Crow -
5 pt 5 way H setup
3" shoulder and lap belts with extra padding sewn in
pulldown duckbill latchlink
tension spring option added to one of the harnesses (for drivers seat)
all grey in color
tab/bolt mounting points... but for the shoulder belts I'll be wrapping them to the harness bar.

I ultimately decided on the good ole latch & link buckle instead of the easier to use camlock design. I've been reading alot (and most of it may just be myth and hype) that the camlock can get jammed with dirt and mud, etc and fail to lock or unlock. SO I went with the latchlink just to play it safe.

Should arrive Friday so cool, can't wait! Getting close to completion
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woo hoo! My friend Cole at 4wheelers Supply in Phx (www.4wheelers.com) called my yesterday to let me know my Crow 5pt harnesses had arrived and so I drove over to pick them up.

These are "duckbill" latch which I hadn't seen before but had read about on pirate www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Harnesses/. that article is very interesting by the way. some of it may be myth and hype from a keyboard warrior especially about the camlocks but very informative none-the-less. The harnesses I ordered are just like the normal latch link design except the belt adjustment is built into the latch/buckle instead of midway on the belt. Gives more elbow room when pulling down to tighten the belt straps. It also makes the latch/buckle about 50% larger than a normal latch buckle since the belt doesn't tapper down to a 2" tab before reaching the latch.

Hunter is installing them this weekend and also finishing up the welds. Its looking killer but I won't post pics of the cage again till its all done and painted. Attached is a closeup photo of the duckbill latch/buckle.
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Old 09-17-2008, 10:41 AM   #51
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Hunter sent me that photo last night from his phone. Its getting there, can't wait for the stretch. Hopefully this weekend I'll get it painted.
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pretty cool dude it looks great. I guess soon we will see few pics of you dressed as power ranger out in the rocks eh?
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pretty cool dude it looks great. I guess soon we will see few pics of you dressed as power ranger out in the rocks eh?
Power ranger or not Ben's rig is one of the most well built and still streetable rigs on this board.
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Power ranger or not Ben's rig is one of the most well built and still streetable rigs on this board.
oh man i'm not even debating that i agree hands down
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Old 09-17-2008, 11:07 PM   #55
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That cage is top notch man. Your rig is so clean. Im sure it goes without saying but Im envious.
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Cage looks sweet!........ Is bad spider-man the co-pilot for wheeling trips? So when the cage gets tested you can blame it on him?
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^^^ I think that would be considered overkill even for the pope!

and to answer someones question: the point of the cage on top is protection for his weird pope hat
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That cage is top notch man. Your rig is so clean. Im sure it goes without saying but Im envious.
John, the owner of Hunter Off Road here in Tempe is one of the most SOLID fabricator in the US. He's a one man shop that has been open for over 10 years.
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I can deff tell he is one of the best in the US. The lines on that cage are pretty complex. Its amazing to me, only one guy!?
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The cage fab is looking great.

Not to hijack his thread but has anyone seen a cage that still allows for use of the rear seat? Tyhe after market ones I have looked at all have the cross bars behind the front seats that pretty much eliminate access to the rear seat (such as a 2 door has anyway) unless your loading midgets.

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