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Old 06-19-2011, 04:43 PM   #61
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Guess I got lucky then. I just used a 2ft pry bar and popped em loose.
Most of the ones I have had trouble with are ones that have not been apart for a long time, once the bearing pockets and races have been cleaned, they will become much easier to pull. Most of the ratios I came across were 275 and 300 with a few others thrown in. When purchasing a 9" rear end make sure not to be misled in to buying a 9 3/8" as the 3rd member will not be compatable with 9" stuff, everything else should be the same though. Also the 9 3/8 only came with 31 spline axles and big bearings.

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Were available or are available? You can get just about every gear ratio imaginable for the 9".
Yes, factory gearing

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Most of the ones I have had trouble with are ones that have not been apart for a long time, once the bearing pockets and races have been cleaned, they will become much easier to pull. Most of the ratios I came across were 275 and 300 with a few others thrown in. When purchasing a 9" rear end make sure not to be misled in to buying a 9 3/8" as the 3rd member will not be compatable with 9" stuff, everything else should be the same though. Also the 9 3/8 only came with 31 spline axles and big bearings.

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How would I determine which one it is? I got it for free so I'm not complaining. You mentioned bearing and races, how hard would it b to replace them myself? Special tools required?
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Ok tag reads:

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2 75 9 351B

Did some research and it looks like a 9" from a 79 f150 built n august with 2.75 gears. And I thought 3.07s were bad haha. Deffinatly open diff and I think it's a 28 spline with big bearings. Axle shaft retainers used 3/4 bolts which I read meant big bearings. Anyone agree or disagree?
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Seams like it's hard to find one place that sells parts just for offroad 9". Most places I've seen only make stuff for circle track racing and is crazy expensive. Also the gears arnt the same as what's made for the Dana 30. The make like 4.23, 4.59, 4.93, 5.17. Any pointers here for after market support?
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What Jeeps came with a true 1330 u-joint? The Rubicon uses 1310/1330 conversion u-joints but there are no Wranglers that ever came with a true 1330 from the factory. All non-Rubicon Wrangler TJs (and Wrangler YJs) use 1310 u-joints on the driveshafts.

Jerry, just an FYI your information is incorrect. Here's a pair of driveshafts with 1330 rear joints just like I said. One is out of a 94 and the other a 95.



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Seams like it's hard to find one place that sells parts just for offroad 9". Most places I've seen only make stuff for circle track racing and is crazy expensive. Also the gears arnt the same as what's made for the Dana 30. The make like 4.23, 4.59, 4.93, 5.17. Any pointers here for after market support?
Randys Ring and pinion should have every gearset you can imagine. I know they make 4.10, 4.56, 4.88 for sure because I have had all those sizes before.
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Randys Ring and pinion should have every gearset you can imagine. I know they make 4.10, 4.56, 4.88 for sure because I have had all those sizes before.
For a 9"? That's pretty cool, I'll have to check them out. Did you see my post about the axle ID tag? 2.75 gears
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Yeah I did and that's pretty common....2x4 truck I bet. Kinda sucks that's what it is, but as my ole man says....it is what it is son
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Here is a list of the available gear ratios from Randy's Ring and Pinion.


3.00
3.25
3.50
3.55
3.60
3.64
3.70
3.75
3.89
4.11
4.22
4.29
4.30
4.33
4.50
4.56
4.63
4.71
4.78
4.86
5.00
5.11
5.13
5.14
5.25
5.29
5.33
5.38
5.43
5.50
5.57
5.67
5.83
6.00
6.14
6.20
6.33
6.43
6.50
6.666
6.83
6.86
7.00
7.16
7.33
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Yeah I did and that's pretty common....2x4 truck I bet. Kinda sucks that's what it is, but as my ole man says....it is what it is son
Haha, yea I hear ya man. Thank you for all the help
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Here is a list of the available gear ratios from Randy's Ring and Pinion.

3.00
3.25
3.50
3.55
3.60
3.64
3.70
3.75
3.89
4.11
4.22
4.29
4.30
4.33
4.50
4.56
4.63
4.71
4.78
4.86
5.00
5.11
5.13
5.14
5.25
5.29
5.33
5.38
5.43
5.50
5.57
5.67
5.83
6.00
6.14
6.20
6.33
6.43
6.50
6.666
6.83
6.86
7.00
7.16
7.33
Yup, 7.33 are going in it. Make sure I have the power to turn my 31s haha. Do they not make 4.10s? That's what I want to run cuz 4.10s is a stronger gear set then the 4.11
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How would I determine which one it is? I got it for free so I'm not complaining. You mentioned bearing and races, how hard would it b to replace them myself? Special tools required?
Looking at your pics, you have a standard 9", The bearings are not to bad to replace as long as you have a press to press off the bearing retainers, if not then take it someplace and just pay to have it done. Another thing that is nice about the 9" is that the diff will accept all of the ratios available.

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Axle shaft retainers used 3/4 bolts which I read meant big bearings. Anyone agree or disagree?
I have heard a lot of people claim this but I have pulled a part a lot of 9" rear ends and have found quite a few with small bearing retainer bolts and large bearings.

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Yeah I did and that's pretty common....2x4 truck I bet. Kinda sucks that's what it is, but as my ole man says....it is what it is son
Ya...most likely a truck as it has spring over perches, spring under were I believe like early rancheros and so forth.

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Ya...most likely a truck as it has spring over perches, spring under were I believe like early rancheros and so forth.

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Yea, I looked up the ID tag. Said it's from a 78 1/2 ton
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I am also swapping in a Ford 9" into my Jeep. About the hi pinions. Currie's uses reverse cut 8.8 gears out of front Ford 8.8's. Any reverse cut gear will fit in it. The True Hi9 uses custom made 9" reverse cut gears. All OEM Ford 9" are low pinion and semi float(axle shaft retainer at the axle ends 4 bolts and it's out). For semi float both shafts must be removed before removing the 3rd member(center section, pumpkin). Ford 9's have been used for many years in the drag racing circles so support is very plentiful. You can get almost and type of locker out there for a Ford 9". Things to look out for is the carrier is smaller therefor weaker, get solid lockers like a detroit. Some ARB are known to break in the 9 simply because they can't make it thick enough to withstand what your throwing at it.

Yours is from a F-150 at that length. There are two bearings that have different sizes.

You got the bearing ends on the axle. The right one is a big bearing and uses 1/2" retainer bolts(there are big bearings that have the smaller bolts). The left one is a small bearing and uses 3/8" bolts, also notice the half circle at the bottom. The information I found is that you have a big bearing.


You also have multiple carrier bearing size. 2.89", 3.062", and 3.25". I can only answer that the 3.25" can use 35 and 40 spline axle shafts. Some of the 28 and 31 splines are interchangeable with the bearing sizes. Information I have is you have a 31 spline, still confused as to what bearing size you have.

I have not yet installed my axle to say my opinion on TrueHi9 carrier but after setting my pinion angle to 5# I am happy with it. I also have a flat skid pushing my drive line up.

Notice the pinion's 3rd bearing at the top of the case.


Oh yea, and to answer your concern for not having a 4.10 gear. As long as it is within 1% of your other gear ratio it doesn't matter. You can use a 4.11 with a 4.10. My Ford 9 has 4.86 and my front is 4.88


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Yup, 7.33 are going in it. Make sure I have the power to turn my 31s haha. Do they not make 4.10s? That's what I want to run cuz 4.10s is a stronger gear set then the 4.11
There is no appreciable strength difference between a 4.10 and a 4.11 gear set. The two ratios are so close they are considered interchangeable ratio wise.
Skimming over this thread I never saw a proper answer to one of your first questions; What makes a nodular iron case? It is cast from Nodular Iron as opposed to other types of cast iron such as Gray Iron, Malleable Iron, Wrought Iron, etc..
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I am also swapping in a Ford 9" into my Jeep. About the hi pinions. Currie's uses reverse cut 8.8 gears out of front Ford 8.8's. Any reverse cut gear will fit in it. The True Hi9 uses custom made 9" reverse cut gears. All OEM Ford 9" are low pinion and semi float(axle shaft retainer at the axle ends 4 bolts and it's out). For semi float both shafts must be removed before removing the 3rd member(center section, pumpkin). Ford 9's have been used for many years in the drag racing circles so support is very plentiful. You can get almost and type of locker out there for a Ford 9". Things to look out for is the carrier is smaller therefor weaker, get solid lockers like a detroit. Some ARB are known to break in the 9 simply because they can't make it thick enough to withstand what your throwing at it.

Yours is from a F-150 at that length. There are two bearings that have different sizes.

You got the bearing ends on the axle. The right one is a big bearing and uses 1/2" retainer bolts(there are big bearings that have the smaller bolts). The left one is a small bearing and uses 3/8" bolts, also notice the half circle at the bottom. The information I found is that you have a big bearing.

You also have multiple carrier bearing size. 2.89", 3.062", and 3.25". I can only answer that the 3.25" can use 35 and 40 spline axle shafts. Some of the 28 and 31 splines are interchangeable with the bearing sizes. Information I have is you have a 31 spline, still confused as to what bearing size you have.

I have not yet installed my axle to say my opinion on TrueHi9 carrier but after setting my pinion angle to 5# I am happy with it. I also have a flat skid pushing my drive line up.

Notice the pinion's 3rd bearing at the top of the case.

Oh yea, and to answer your concern for not having a 4.10 gear. As long as it is within 1% of your other gear ratio it doesn't matter. You can use a 4.11 with a 4.10. My Ford 9 has 4.86 and my front is 4.88

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Wow, that's a lot of good info. Thank you. So you know that my 9" is the big bearing and 31 spline? Online I thought the ID tag said it was a 28. The only reason I prefer a 4.10 set over 4.11s is the 4.10 set has 10 teeth on the pinion while the 4.11 only has 9 which makes the 4.10 a stronger set
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Lemme get back with you on this because that is just a bare housing and I don't know which parts off the stock 3rd member will fit in that housing. I'm going to try and get a hold of Currie and find out because if that is all that is needed I will be getting one of those very soon. I won't get an answer till probably Monday or Tuesday because they aren't open on weekends. I'm sending them an email now.


This is what I was looking at.

Currie Enterprises Currie High Pinion

At the top of the center section of the page there is a price calculator. That is what I used.
Yea, that would b really cool. Let me know what you find out. I did the 31sp and Detroit and it came out to 1500$!!!! I almost crapped!

Here is the answer I got from Currie.

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You will need a whole third member done with the CHP parts. The case is only the start. If you were looking to keep the carrier that you have, you can, but that is it as far as existing parts.
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There is no appreciable strength difference between a 4.10 and a 4.11 gear set. The two ratios are so close they are considered interchangeable ratio wise.
Skimming over this thread I never saw a proper answer to one of your first questions; What makes a nodular iron case? It is cast from Nodular Iron as opposed to other types of cast iron such as Gray Iron, Malleable Iron, Wrought Iron, etc..
There are strength differences to using a 4.10 and 4.11. Though I am just splitting hairs.

It all depends on the diameter of the ring gear and pinion gear.
Balancing fewer, thicker teeth to many more teeth and the teeth engagement of the pinion gear to the ring gear. Way besides the point but still an explanation of why different axle have different gear ratios.

Gear ratio's within 1% are fully interchangeable. Seriously your tire diameters are going be off that much if not more once worn.
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There is no appreciable strength difference between a 4.10 and a 4.11 gear set. The two ratios are so close they are considered interchangeable ratio wise.
Skimming over this thread I never saw a proper answer to one of your first questions; What makes a nodular iron case? It is cast from Nodular Iron as opposed to other types of cast iron such as Gray Iron, Malleable Iron, Wrought Iron, etc..
Oh, yes, thank you for telling me about the nodular part of it. Like stated above, I'm not too worried about the ratios being .01 off I was just more concerned about the 4.11 only having 9 teeth while the 4.10 has 10 making a stronger set
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Wow, that's a lot of good info. Thank you. So you know that my 9" is the big bearing and 31 spline? Online I thought the ID tag said it was a 28. The only reason I prefer a 4.10 set over 4.11s is the 4.10 set has 10 teeth on the pinion while the 4.11 only has 9 which makes the 4.10 a stronger set
Check out this site for some info. Sadly some of the pictures are missing now.
Kevinstang's Ford Nine Inch Differential Page +

All the info I can find suggests 31 spline. Though the only way to find out for real is to pull one and count.

Even though the 4.11 has 9 teeth compared to the 10 of the 4.10 you also need to count in that the 9 teeth will be thicker and individually stronger. Though the more teeth you have the more teeth that will be in contact. It's a balance.

Check this site for info on gear set strengths. TrueHi9 - Gear Page
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Could go either way in that year....as a normal rule unless the truck was a big block, it got a 28 spline version in a 2x4, but that changed in late 77 like alot of the drivetrain stuff
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Could go either way in that year....as a normal rule unless the truck was a big block, it got a 28 spline version in a 2x4, but that changed in late 77 like alot of the drivetrain stuff
Were big blocks even an option in half tons?
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Yes they were an option in every two wheel drive truck since the mid 70s to 79. A big block wasn't offered in a 4 wheel drive until the 80s and only in the 250s and bigger
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Yes they were an option in every two wheel drive truck since the mid 70s to 79. A big block wasn't offered in a 4 wheel drive until the 80s and only in the 250s and bigger
Hmmm, I hope that truck had a big block then
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Could go either way in that year....as a normal rule unless the truck was a big block, it got a 28 spline version in a 2x4, but that changed in late 77 like alot of the drivetrain stuff
He does make a good point. Even though they changed to the stronger stuff in 78 they could have been using up the rest of there stock of 28 spline axles from 77.
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I wish I could get the time to pull it apart and see. I've been scraping to try and fund my girlfriends birthday haha. Went to the zoo yesterday and going out for a nice dinner and baseball game tomorrow. I did try the brake drum as a slide hammer trick but those axle shafts probably haven't ever been removed. I may chain it to a tree and try to winch the shafts out? That a good or bad idea? I took all the bolts off the 3rd member to try and let the gear oil drain. It seams to b holding it n pretty well tho. Idk, may get to it this weekend
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You can rent a slide hammer from autozone, just don't forget the flange adapter that allows you to connect it to the axle flange. It took me 30 min to remove one of my axle shafts. I tried going easy on it for awhile, while spraying wd40 at it. I got frustrated and went all caveman on it and it popped out after a dozen tries. I still have the one I rented in the car because I don't know how easy it will be when I go to try and put it back in.

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