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Old 12-08-2012, 07:59 AM   #1
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Full width D60 High Pinion King Pin Front... what rear?

Not that I'm ready to do this now (especially since I just finished my Ford 8.8), but I'm doing a bit of bargain hunting and I find a high pinion king pin D60 yesterday, hub to hub complete except with no ring and pinion for $200. Seems like a bargain. I think it's a from a F250 in the 78 or 79 range.

I called the guy and asked what he recommended for a rear axle. He said he thinks it came with a D70 from the factory, but he doesn't have that axle. He's looking to offload this one because he was going to build a big mud truck and lost his job, so he sold most of the other parts.

If you were going to build a set of monster axles for your Jeep with this D60 as the front, what would you choose for the rear? D60? D70? 14 bolt? Something else?

Looking for something with similar width and bolt pattern. Looks like this front is 69.25" wide and 8 x 6.5 bolt pattern.

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would you be keeping the 36's? I think if so the 14 bolt hangs down to low and the 70 is just big...

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Shaved 60, 70, or 14 bolt

14bolt is probably the better axle out of that line up, cause it doesnt use shims to set the backlash and it has a pinion support to prevent deflection.
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would you be keeping the 36's? I think if so the 14 bolt hangs down to low and the 70 is just big...
If I did this, I'd likely be jumping to a 40" or 42" tire. I hadn't really planned on going bigger than the 36s with what I have now, but I drove a 1 ton YJ on 42s the other day and now I've got the bug...

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Shaved 60, 70, or 14 bolt

14bolt is probably the better axle out of that line up, cause it doesnt use shims to set the backlash and it has a pinion support to prevent deflection.
When you say "shaved", do you mean to shave all of the extra steel off the bottom of the diff for clearance? Does that do anything to weaken the setup?

Also, I'd be running 5.13 gears in this new setup. The 14 bolt supports those gears? and there is a Detroit Locker available for that axle?

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When you say "shaved", do you mean to shave all of the extra steel off the bottom of the diff for clearance? Does that do anything to weaken the setup?

Also, I'd be running 5.13 gears in this new setup. The 14 bolt supports those gears? and there is a Detroit Locker available for that axle?

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I meant to say shaved 14bolt, not 60 sorry Idk what I was thinking when I wrote that.

But yes shaveing means cutting a section out of the bottom of the diff for clearance, It doesnt weaken it by much if it does at all when done right.

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5.13 is avalible in all the axles stated above as well as detroit lockers.

The axle with the mose selection of lockers in that list is the 60, I think the 70 and 14bolt only have arb and detroit to choose from.
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Any idea what the max tire size on a D60/14 bolt combo would be, assuming aggressive wheeling?

or a D60/D70?

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Any idea what the max tire size on a D60/14 bolt combo would be, assuming aggressive wheeling?

or a D60/D70?

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With a 2.5?

easily 44s locked, probably bigger esp. with chromo shafts
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With a 2.5?
Sure, why not?

Seriously though, if I end up doing this 1 ton upgrade it'll be the next step toward my mild V8 install. Looking at LS/LT motors and SM465 setup to go with it.

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Sure, why not?

Seriously though, if I end up doing this 1 ton upgrade it'll be the next step toward my mild V8 install. Looking at LS/LT motors and SM465 setup to go with it.

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I know a guy running a 70 rear/60 front with the I6 and 40s he punishes his jeep, never had any problems he even runs spools front and rear and drives it almost daily.

So a 14bolt should w/ chromo shafts should be able to handle a 350 and 40 or 44s locked
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CMA - Sounds like the right kind of setup. So, you'd definitely choose a 14 bolt over a D70? I ask as I'm seeing both of them about the same price range on craigslist. I'll see if I can pick up this D60 and then start looking for a rear to match.
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CMA - Sounds like the right kind of setup. So, you'd definitely choose a 14 bolt over a D70? I ask as I'm seeing both of them about the same price range on craigslist. I'll see if I can pick up this D60 and then start looking for a rear to match.
If their in the same price range then yes I'd get a 14bolt, their stronger and easier to set up.

Do you plan on setting up the gearing, if so you'll like the fact that it doesnt use shims to set the backlash, instead it uses a threaded shim that you turn with a screwdriver to set it. Its much easier than having to squeeze the shims like you would any other axle. The 14bolts gears are also stronger, since the pinion has a brace inside the housing right next to the cone so the forces are not against the bearings. Also the pinion comes out almost like a third member
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Excellent. Sounds like I'm shopping for a 14 bolt then. Now I just have to find one the right width and work out a parts list for the "Ultralight 14" to remove that extra 60-70 pounds of stuff that they come with stock.
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Excellent. Sounds like I'm shopping for a 14 bolt then. Now I just have to find one the right width and work out a parts list for the "Ultralight 14" to remove that extra 60-70 pounds of stuff that they come with stock.
Did you watch that video?
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He said he thinks it came with a D70 from the factory, but he doesn't have that axle.
Not that it makes any difference now but I don't believe the 4 wheel drive f250 and f350 from 78 and 79 SRW would have a 70, only a 60 in the rear. The 2 wheel drive f350 may have the 70.

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Did you watch that video?
I did. Ian always makes it so simple.

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I'd like to paraphrase a post i saw on pirate, as its funny and true 'the rear ffd60 is the d35c of the ff world'

Go with a 10.25 if a 14b is going to be too big. Also if its not ff its not 1 ton, something too keep in mind
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Of course, the D60 deal is gone. Guy sold it yesterday. Damnit. That said, I learned enough about the 14 bolt in the last 2 days to know I'm going to be shopping for one as soon as I'm done with some other projects.
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The 14 bolt should be cheap, Chevy put them in everything.. If Chevy had made toasters, they would have figured out a way to put one in them. I don't know how much your junkyards sell axles for, but you should be able to get one for about 100.

Too bad the super 14 never really came around.. Super expensive but cool none the less
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I'd like to paraphrase a post i saw on pirate, as its funny and true 'the rear ffd60 is the d35c of the ff world'

Go with a 10.25 if a 14b is going to be too big. Also if its not ff its not 1 ton, something too keep in mind
I thought the d35c with a ff kit was the d35c of the ff world
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Too bad the super 14 never really came around.. Super expensive but cool none the less
If you break a 14bolt you are doing something right the wrong way
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I thought the d35c with a ff kit was the d35c of the ff world
whomever spent the money to covert a d35 to ff is an idiot of the ff world.
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If you break a 14bolt you are doing something right the wrong way
Its not about it being stronger like the super 88 or super 35 kits. Portal-tek made a drop out style (think Ford 9 or Toyota 8) 14 bolt, and contracted to have fabbed housings made. They called it the super 14, which is misleading. They did make some aspects stronger though. Another company bought portal-tek and supposedly are releasing the original super 14, as well as their own version.
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whomever spent the money to covert a d35 to ff is an idiot of the ff world.
Tell that to Warn, they make the kit
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Tell that to Warn, they make the kit
They make the kit because they're smart, they know some sucker will buy it lol
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early 2000 E350s have rear FF60s with bigger tubes, bigger bore spindles, and disc brakes.

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I'd like to paraphrase a post i saw on pirate, as its funny and true 'the rear ffd60 is the d35c of the ff world'
Can you explain that?
I haven't seen a full floater with C clips.
I have a FF 60, and it's got brakes from a C clip 60, but I never seen one that's both...
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wat do yall mean by ff?
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wat do yall mean by ff?
ff = Full Floating Axles.

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The full-floating design is typically used in most 3/4 and 1-ton light trucks, medium duty trucks and heavy-duty trucks, as well as most agricultural applications, such as large tractors and combines. There are a few exceptions, such as many Land-Rover vehicles. A full-floating axle can be identified by a protruding hub to which the axle shaft flange is bolted. These axles can carry more weight than a semi-floating or non-floating axle assembly because the hubs have two bearings riding on a fixed spindle. The axle shafts themselves do not carry any weight; they serve only to transmit torque from the differential to the wheels. Full-floating axle shafts are retained by the aforementioned flange bolted to the hub, while the hub and bearings are retained on the spindle by a large nut.
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The semi-floating design carries the weight of the vehicle on the axle shaft itself; there is a single bearing at the end of the axle housing that carries the load from the axle and that the axle rotates through. This design is found under most 1/2 ton and lighter trucks and SUVs.
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early 2000 E350s have rear FF60s with bigger tubes, bigger bore spindles, and disc brakes.
This....

I have one of these with 35 splines and they are the 8x6.5 bolt pattern. This thing is a beast and still has clearance. Cheap, strong, setup ready to go basically. I could take some pictures and we could compare it to a regular d60 if anyone is interested.

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