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Old 04-13-2012, 11:42 AM   #31
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Old 05-05-2012, 09:42 AM   #32
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37" BFG Baja T/A's on Trailworthyfab Beadlocks

Finally got the new shoes on the Jeep. 37x12.50x16.5 Baja T/A's on Trailworthfab custom beadlocks. I couldn't be happier with the look. They are exactly what I wanted and they fit up under the Jeep real nice. It is amazing how much of a difference a 37 is from a 35.

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Took her out for a little test drive last night and I have some balancing issues I am going to have to deal with. Things were OK up until about 45 MPH then at 60 it got really shaky, too shaky to drive that fast. MFG recommended the dyna beads but those are really expensive, and I have heard good things about the air-soft beads working too. Then there is always the stick on weights but I have heard those don't work that well. Wondering what anyone else has done for the balancing problems and if anyone out there might have some recommendations for balancing. Please help if anyone has some advice.

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Started to add the air soft bbs to the tires tonight for balancing. I am going to start with 11 oz. since mist if what Ivan reading is guys are using between 10&12 to get it right. All was going well. I started in the spare since it was off of the Jeep then moved to the rears. Finished up one side fairly easily.



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Moved to the other side filled the tire up with bbs went to assembling and I bolt sheared off for the beadlock. I wasn't even using the impact when it busted either just the torque wrench. Very frustrating. I quite right then and called it a night.

Luckily I bought 5 wheels and will use the spare until I figure out what to do with a worthless beadlock rim.
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Old 05-10-2012, 09:27 AM   #34
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I hope I over reacted last night in my pissed-offed state. After a quick look at it this morning I think the nut is stripped. Hoping that is all. More updates tonight.
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Are you planning to continue running the long arm setup, or are you going to drop the suspension down closer to Earth?

What are you planning/wanting to fab with your new welder?

I like where you're going with this!
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Old 05-10-2012, 09:44 AM   #36
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I wish I had the funds to work with that you do bro, nice build.
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Are you planning to continue running the long arm setup, or are you going to drop the suspension down closer to Earth?

What are you planning/wanting to fab with your new welder?

I like where you're going with this!
I do want to drop down to 4.5" of lift but need to get some fenders first.

I am working on a steering box skid right now as my first fab project.

Thanks for your comments!
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I wish I had the funds to work with that you do bro, nice build.
I am on a sell parts to buy parts budget right now. But man this stuff is expensive. Thanks for your comments.
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Good news, it was just a striped nut. Went to Fastenal and they had a replacement so put that one on without a problem.

So I put 11 oz. of air-soft bb's (about 1,250 bb's) in each tire and I got it balanced out to about 65-70mph which is OK but I still think I can get it better. I would like to get up to 75 with zero shaking. I'm just not looking forward to having to tear into those wheels again. It takes a minimum of 45-60 minutes per tire to tear down, install bb's, then button back up.

Does any one think I could pay a tire shop to do this or is this a DIY job only? I might have the patience to do it one more time but it is such a guessing game of what is going to take to make it work.

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Old 05-14-2012, 11:33 AM   #40
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Have a part order in to the guys from Rokmen. Ordered up RCV shafts for the front, and Superior Evo's for the rear. While I was at it I ordered a new flush mount rear bumper in hopes to sell off my Smitty bumper and tire carrier. Parts should be in middle of this week!
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My thoughts on adding more beads.....is is possible to add too much? Question comes from the thinking......how do you remove them without taking tire off rim?

Rokmen....can't wait to see pics of the rear bumper mounted up. I have decided that is the product I am going with for mine.
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My thoughts on adding more beads.....is is possible to add too much? Question comes from the thinking......how do you remove them without taking tire off rim?

Rokmen....can't wait to see pics of the rear bumper mounted up. I have decided that is the product I am going with for mine.
You cannot add or take away the bb's w/o removing the rim (at least as far as I know). After opening them up, adding in bb's, then buttoning them back up several times now I have decided to take it to a shop and at least get some science behind the issue instead of my guessing game. I have about 8 hours of my life into this project now and am ready to be done with it. Jeep goes in on Friday and I will keep you updated as to the findings.

Drove into work today at a nice turtle pace of 60mph. Not that much fun. I need a solution. There is a lot of highway in between the homestead and trails here in CO and need to be able to keep up with the rest of the Jeeps in the neighborhood.
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Old 05-18-2012, 07:48 PM   #43
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Won't be able to install for a minute but they are in.
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I had my 35s on bead locks balanced on a regular machine. Works just fine up to 80mph. Some tires took a ton of weights! I think the max was about a lb. and the min was about 2oz. My worry with the beads is the same as yours. I read tons on the net before I decided against it. You should have had them balanced BEFORE you put the beads in because you can't properly balance them with beads in the tire because the beads will hide the real spot where the weights need to go. I've been close to shelling out $$$ for the centramatic balancer hub things and I'll go that way if my tires wear down and need a rebalance.
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I had my 35s on bead locks balanced on a regular machine. Works just fine up to 80mph. Some tires took a ton of weights! I think the max was about a lb. and the min was about 2oz. My worry with the beads is the same as yours. I read tons on the net before I decided against it. You should have had them balanced BEFORE you put the beads in because you can't properly balance them with beads in the tire because the beads will hide the real spot where the weights need to go. I've been close to shelling out $$$ for the centramatic balancer hub things and I'll go that way if my tires wear down and need a rebalance.
I ended up taking the jeep into a shop yesterday for balancing. I lost patience with the project. Dude said they were balancing up well by doing the stick on weights in the inside if the rim but was not prepared to have to spend so much time on them so I am without the jeep for the weekend. Hoping for 75-80 without a problem...
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I ended up taking the jeep into a shop yesterday for balancing. I lost patience with the project. Dude said they were balancing up well by doing the stick on weights in the inside if the rim but was not prepared to have to spend so much time on them so I am without the jeep for the weekend. Hoping for 75-80 without a problem...
Just got a call from the shop that quoted me $50-$75 to balance all of the tires and told me he has two done, they wont balance and is going to charge me $100 for NOT balancing 2 tires. I'm at a loss now. HELP PLEASE.
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Did you take the beads out before you took them in? You can't balance a tire that has beads in it. There are a bunch of people that swear by the centramatic balancers. They have a cool video on youtube. I thought about them, and still might buy some, but my tires are running fine for now.
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They took them out before trying to balance.
Just got off the phone with the guy from cetramatic and he said they will only work on pre-2000 wranglers because of a brake change and now the brakes are too big. So back to square one I guess?
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He's referring to the mid-year 99 hub bearing (and associated rotor) change. If that's the case, swap out to early-model hubs and rotors and run the Centramatics. I've never tried them but I've heard they work far better than bead media, and that's from guys running much larger, heavier tires.

If you don't want to do that, bring them to someone that has a Hunter road force machine and knows how to use it. Ask them if they have the confidence to do it and if they say no, have them find someone who does. I've used that approach and it works just fine. Stand out there and watch while they do it to make sure they don't cut corners. Read up on the RFB procedure so you know what they should be doing. Don't be afraid to use weights--you'll get a great balance from properly roadforced tires and you won't have to worry about it changing much since your tire won't be rotating around the wheel.
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Imped, thanks for the advice. I had to lay down the law with this guy when I went in to pick up my Jeep. I took him with me on a test drive and there was zero change from when I brought it in. He offered me a deal and said he would give it another go because he thinks he can get it closer than it is now and if he doesn't get it right I don't owe him a dime but if he gets it right it's $50 a tire. I am ok with that. I really hope he gets it right so I can get back to building and stop complaining already.
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$50/tire is a bit overkill....you could have a set of Centramatics for that. And you can sell the Centramatics if you decide to to another route. Give em a try man. Think of it this way--you'll be running through hub bearings faster than before and could probably use some nice Centric rotors to help you stop the new rubber.

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$50/tire is a bit overkill....you could have a set of Centramatics for that. And you can sell the Centramatics if you decide to to another route. Give em a try man. Think of it this way--you'll be running through hub bearings faster than before and could probably use some nice Centric rotors to help you stop the new rubber.

Just a thought.
The problem is that I can't find anyone else in town even willing to give it a shot.

I'm gonna talk to someone at centramatic again tomorrow.

I have a nice pile of parts just waiting for this stupid issue to get solved. So that's why I just want this fixed and done.

I'll update again tomorrow after I hear from this guy and paying that kind of money in expecting nothing less than 75 mph.
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Nice build. Keep the updates coming.
Thanks! Hopefully the build will continue soon...
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So here is the update on the tire balancing saga. Dude re-calibrated his road force machine and made another go at the two fronts and they cannot get them balanced so what I have now is two tires with stick on weights on the inside of the rim, and two tires with 15 oz of air-soft bb's. In my mind I am going to go through with one of the three options (after I finally install my new parts).

Option 1. Centramatic wheel balancers. These cost $200 for the set of four. I have heard great things and not so great things about them. I found a website that guarantees my satisfaction with them so I guess it would be a risk free investment. I also would only have to open up two more tires and remove the bb's from those two tires.

Option 2. Go all out and dump a ton of bb's into the tires (I'm thinking like 20 oz based off of what some other people have told me. This will be cheaper but require me to open up all four wheels again and remove stickey weights from the insides of 2 wheels.

Option 3. Forget it all and get a sticker like I saw on the way to work today that said 'This vehicle's top speed is 62 MPH please pass with care'

I have learned a good lesson here that unfortunately I have had to learn several times now...You get what you pay for. The trailworthyfab rims look great and probably perform well off-road but the on road performance is something I need for this time as well and I don't know that I am going to be able to get it out of these rims. Next purchase and my recommendation now is to get a lighter weight aluminum beadlock that you will have a better chance of balancing for the road if you desire to take it on speeds above 60.

Highly frustrating and can't wait to get this behind me...
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I would leave the stick on weights that should get the tire closer to balance and then use the bb's or centrimatics. There is no point to remove weight that is in the correct place. You could also try rotating the tires on the rim. My wheel and tires took between about 2oz and 16oz to balance. I put the ones with the least weights on the front and the most weight as the spare.
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Are two sets of tires an option? Trail rims and street rims? That's what I ended up doing with my 97 with beadlocks.

Had such a hard time with those I chose to forgo beadlocks on the 05.
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I would leave the stick on weights that should get the tire closer to balance and then use the bb's or centrimatics. There is no point to remove weight that is in the correct place. You could also try rotating the tires on the rim. My wheel and tires took between about 2oz and 16oz to balance. I put the ones with the least weights on the front and the most weight as the spare.
The two tires that have the wights are no where near balanced which is why I thought that might be a problem if I go back to bbs.

Your weight and tire distribution method is good though. I'm going to make a decision by the end of today.
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Are two sets of tires an option? Trail rims and street rims? That's what I ended up doing with my 97 with beadlocks.

Had such a hard time with those I chose to forgo beadlocks on the 05.
Two sets isn't really an option right now just because of finances. I'll tell you what though a trailer rig is almost sounding worth it at this point.

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