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Old 08-06-2013, 09:44 PM   #1
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I want to start welding.(bumpers, sheet metal)help finding one!

Hi. Ive always wanted to weld things.

I really want to weld up a bumper as a project.

Found a few on craigslist. tell me what you think of them, if they would work for my applications, and if they are a good price. If you feel that I need a different welder, tell me.

lincoln stick welder

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Sticks are harder to use / learn with. Migs are nice, just pull and go.
Sticks can go up to much thicker gauge material

How serious are you about getting into welding? I have a friend that bought a harbor freight special 110v gas less mig (uses a different type of welding wire), and he can do just about anything with it, and its still going strong a few years later. My dad went out and bought a nice miller mig with gas that has also given us years of trouble free service. At about 4x the cost.

Also, don't forget your garage electical needs to be up to par. and if you go with a 220v stick welder, you will probably need a few more 220v outlets installed so you can weld on and off body...

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Assuming you have the wiring to run it, go with the top welder. It's the one I learned on, taught myself, and do all my welding with now. Plenty of power. He'll you can basically cut with it like a plasma if you really want with a little practice. You will have to learn. It will not start pretty. Either get good advice or find someone who knows what they are doing to get you started. Try different techniques and see what works. I have some good resources for arc welding if you are interested and will offer advice as well if you get to that point.

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Assuming I have the correct power supply...


Like, what do I need? A dryer outlet?
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220 with the right breaker, I believe it's 50A, and heavy enough wire to run. Also depending how things are set up if you will meet code etc. If you care about that. We ran all new wire and set up a new box etc then ran to the 220 outlet for the welder a few months ago so I could weld up at the garage too instead of only at the farm. Do you have 220 in your garage?
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220 with the right breaker, I believe it's 50A, and heavy enough wire to run. Also depending how things are set up if you will meet code etc. If you care about that. We ran all new wire and set up a new box etc then ran to the 220 outlet for the welder a few months ago so I could weld up at the garage too instead of only at the farm. Do you have 220 in your garage?
All 120s. I mean, I've got a 240 dryer plug, and a generator with a 240 plug also.(live in Louisiana) it wouldn't run on 240?
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240 and 220 are the same some people just call them different things. But yes you should be able to run from them if they are rates for the proper amperage etc. 50A I believe.
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240 and 220 are the same some people just call them different things. But yes you should be able to run from them if they are rates for the proper amperage etc. 50A I believe.
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I started with a cheap wire feed flux core welder from tractor supply. Now I've got a Lincoln MIG 140 and it welds anything I need fine and it runs on 120 regular outlet.
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Ah 225 stick/arc nice. I almost picked one up to practice my stick welding but didn't feel like messing with the higher voltage requirements and the fact it can't TIG. How do you like it though
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Haven't tried it out myself yet. I need the plug adapter. I got the guy to show me it works and everything else.

He told me he had only used is a few times and it has been kept in his shop all if its life.

I was told it was a good welder to start off with, so we will see.
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We have the older model of it at my farm, it's well over 30 years old from what I'm told. These things literally last forever. And once you learn how to use it, will lay some of the strongest welds out there. They don't look as pretty as MIG until you learn what you're doing but they can be pretty once you get good.
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That it is. Both Lincoln and Miller lead the welding industry it's just a matter of preference. You can weld anything vehicle wise with that stick welder just practice when you get it set up. There's a lot more to welding than just sticking metal together but once again nice buy
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We have the older model of it at my farm, it's well over 30 years old from what I'm told. These things literally last forever. And once you learn how to use it, will lay some of the strongest welds out there. They don't look as pretty as MIG until you learn what you're doing but they can be pretty once you get good.
What's the model of the one you have is it an SA?
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both models I have are the AC 225. The one in my garage is exactly as pictured above. The one at the farm is very similar, just old as dirt with different label printing and slightly different shape/color.

Which model is the "SA"? I didn't buy it new so I'm not sure.
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both models I have are the AC 225. The one in my garage is exactly as pictured above. The one at the farm is very similar, just old as dirt with different label printing and slightly different shape/color.

Which model is the "SA"? I didn't buy it new so I'm not sure.
Oh nah you'd know if you had an SA 200 it's got an engine built in to it to power it. I was just asking because I've seen a lot of farms selling old SAs it's a stick welder that has its own generator and can weld at 100% duty cycle so you never have to stop. Old but one of the best. I was asking because I want to start pipeline welding and that's the perfect welder for it
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No, I wish. That sounds very sweet.
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No, I wish. That sounds very sweet.
Yeah they are great. But one from the 70s still costs 2-4k haha
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Bah, turns out my dryer plug runs through a 30A breaker.

So, I could just wire up a 50A breaker in the box, and run 6 gauge wire to my storage room and hook up the plug?
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Oh I can't give you info on that. Once they told me all the stuff I had to do to get me outlet prepped for the stick welder I grabbed a couple hundred more bucks and bought the MIG. If I were you I would try it out. Worst it would do is trip a breaker
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Sorta. You can do that but it won't be to code depending where you're running the box. You should be able to run the wire and put the outlet in the same room as the breaker box but you might wana check your state code but that for sure is legal. But yeah the breaker and wire and outlet and you should be good.
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What exactly would be needed for it to be up to code?

I wouldnt be able to put the outlet in the same room as the breaker box as it is in my mothers closet.. hahaha
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I don't know depends on state. I'm no electrician.
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Oh, I thought you mentioned that it might not be up to code for a specific reason.

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I know about no codes just what I have to put in to the wall to make it weld
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Oh, I thought you mentioned that it might not be up to code for a specific reason.

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I know that to meet code I had to have a separate box in my garage to run the outlet from. But that's because it's technically outside the house I think even though it's an attached garage.
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I know that to meet code I had to have a separate box in my garage to run the outlet from. But that's because it's technically outside the house I think even though it's an attached garage.
Great. That's about what I have. Haha
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I will tell you right now. get a miller or Lincoln, mig of course. miller is best IMO. I went to a trade high school and I was in the welding/metal fab shop. all we used was millers and they will weld anything. I own a millermatic 180 (mig) and mfg recommends 5/16" but ive welded 1/2 - 5/8 with a couple passes. and just because you have a great bumper/ anything idea doesn't mean it will come out the way you want it. its happened to me soooo many times. migs are the easiest to learn on and if you get a miller autoset you can weld near perfect welds once set up. stick welders are great for HEAVY metal minimum of 1/8" if ur good. mig can be used for body work on thin stuff along with say shackle mounts or support bars. and if you plan on welding a lot, get a BIG gas cylinder and run a gas hose to your welder. the big bottles are about $150 ish to be tested and filled. it pays off in the long run cuz small/ med bottles are more costly..... just my 2 cents tho but ive been welding for a little while and will be doing it for many years to come. good luck on your build

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