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Old 02-12-2011, 10:29 AM   #31
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I your interested here is a spot in the garage you can put your body. We just need to put the roll cage and rack up stairs. Then you can leave it inside. Weekend work only.
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I see you have carts with wheel on them. Put the body on a cart and you can roll it into the shop if you need to. Heats on and the offer is there. Up to you. If you want to feel at home I'll leave the heat off. Just kidding...

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I showed this post to my 10yr old girl to see if I could get her help with me in the garage as a second set of hands when I'm working on my 94 YJ....

....she now wants me to look for a project like this for us to do--

this is great man--- you are an awesome dad!

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Thanks Guys.

Packratt...there are plenty of time my kids might not agree with you (like when I come home after working a couple night shifts and am less than patient ), but I have great kids and we get along well...I also have a very patient wife! We are also building a camp in Maine and everyone has spent time working on that too. I also have pictures of them when we redid a bunch of things on our '85 Mako center console fishing boat last summer. Tough thing is balancing our schedules so they are still included in the project, but it doesn't lag too much so they still stay interrested.

Always stuck, school vacation is next week and we will be travelling. I'll see what the girls schedules are and be in touch after that. Your generousity is very much appreciated. Incidentially, we have our body mounted (the tub and radiator), just no fenders on yet. I still have to fab the rocker guards and address a couple body issues before we can paint. It's going to be 50* the end of the week and I'm jammed with work and we have to leave on Saturday morning for New Jersey to visit relatives! Figures just my luck!

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Time for a quick update on the YJ project. We managed to get a slight break in the weather (above 30degrees) and got the fenders, radiator support, etc installed.





We picked this front bumper up for $20 and the girls decided on the design so we put the new HF bender into use and started to modify.

This is how we bought it:



Here it is with a tube light brush guard and a couple of fabbed light mounts for the KC daylighters.





I'm just self-learning how to weld, so don't look too closely!

I actually had a whole Saturday off, so we pulled the Jeep out of the tiny garage, removed the top/doors and tried to make progress on the body work. Ideally we are hoping for paint by end of month. There was on area just behind the "Jeep" name in front of the driver's door where the panel was rusting from behind. I cut it out, POR-15'ed the brace behind and welded a patch panel in. Then I welded the 6 holes in the lower body (each side) where there were factory steps at one time. I tacked some disks of metal on the inside and then filled the holes with weld. Then a couple coats of marine filler and a bunch of sanding and the rockers at least are ready for paint.







Here's one more with the bumper sitting in place....another day with the sander and sandblaster and we should be ready for primer.


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It's looking great. You should be very proud of your girls.

ps. I love this thread.
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It's looking good. You'll be cruising with the top off soon.
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I love it! I wish more dad's would take the time to encourage their daughters to do stuff like this! Men are great but a woman should know how to take care of their car without a man to do it ;-)

My dad always had me help him on things he did to our cars/trucks although we never did a full tear down and build! I was also a helper when he did wood projects. I have probably forgotten more then what I have retained, but i still like to get out and help the hubby on projects.

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Did you get it fired up this weekend?
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great thread. you and your daughters are very talented.
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Wish I could live in a place were u can do stuff like this. Damn homeowners assc.
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great thread. you and your daughters are very talented.
Don't know about talent, just learned/learning through necessity...not enough $$ to pay to have others do what I want so I just give things a shot. I am pretty lucky because my father was the same and I was tearing apart outboard engines while I was learning to read. Now I'm just trying to teach the girls the same "give it a shot" attitude.

Always stuck: I wish I had the camera. My 16 year old has been real busy at school lately and hasn't had much Jeep time. Both daughters and I attempted to do the front brakes but the bleeders are frozen (new calipers on the way). The oldest had to go to work so the 16 year old and I hooked up the exhaust, radiator lines, and battery. After a minor fuel line glitch I had her sit on a milk crate and fire it up. Second attempt it started and we bleed the steering. The grin was priceless.

The three of us did the drive shaft U-joints and installed between other committments yesterday. Nice to be able to drive it back into the garage instead of pushing up the concrete lip!

This morning (Monday) a glass guy is coming by to pull the windshield so I can sandblast the rust on the frame....then we should be ready for paint.

Any idea where I can buy DOM tubing to extend the roll bar? No one seems to stock it. The plan is a partial cage (tube at the windshield with welded attachments to stock bar and a tube between the rear "family" bars.

Bluejet...I couldn't live with a homeowner association...fortunately the elderly lady who lives right nextdoor loves us and thinks our projects are entertaining.
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Any idea where I can buy DOM tubing to extend the roll bar? No one seems to stock it. The plan is a partial cage (tube at the windshield with welded attachments to stock bar and a tube between the rear "family" bars.
I don't know were to buy it. I haven't got that far. But I also want a tube across the front and then down to the floor. Just to keep the kids safe when there out in it. That's not going to happen this summer for them though. I'm still running the stock drive shaft and there not that good with a standard. When I do the V8 next winter I'll put the family friendly roll bar in and a SVE setup.

I wish you had a camera also. The look on her face would have been a great picture on the wall.

You know it just turned into a big rush for them to get it done now. It runs...........

I have to give you and your kids allot of credit for building that jeep in such a small garage over a nasty winter. Hats off to all you. Great job.
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Looks great. I like the bumper. Where are you on the job?
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Sorry, been slacking. Been progressing slowly, but warm weather is coming. I had planned on adding a forward bar to the factory roll bar then connecting a couple of header bars. I had an extra roll bar so I cut the upper part of the main hoop off and ordered a set of poison spyder A-pillar supports. I removed the seat belt bungs and filled the holes in the bar then cut the angle and fit. The base was going to be too large for the poison spyder kit, but I figured I could add a plate to the top.



Then I picked up some 1 3/4" tube and started looking for ways to modify my HF pipe bender to fabricate the spreader bars and maintain the headroom desired. Then like many aspects of this project the tide turned and a simple modification became a project of its own. A guy from my boat forum offered to loan me a professional grade pneumatic tubing bender and we decided to scrap the earlier plan and bend a new cage off the original bar. I pressed the youngest assistant into "air valve contoller" and we started bending the main hoops



I know the picture is dark, but here are the main tubes tacked in.



My brother brought his Miller over on Saturday and after a day of bending, notching, fitting, and welding, the bar is complete. Sorry, but I was late for my son's baseball games and was unable to get any pictures. I will be hopefully working on Wednesday tying the windshield into the cage then removing the assembly to flip and weld the undersides of the joints (didn't fell like raining slag down on us so we just welded the tops). I'll post pictures then.

Also a big plus, I spoke with an old neighbor who owns a body shop and offered to let us spray the body in his shop. He's pricing the paint options for me. In return I offered to help him install 7 replacement windows...a deal for me any day of the week. When the cage is done, I figure a day of sanding and minor filling and we should be reading to shoot.

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Keep in mind I have that clear if you decide to go that route.

The pic is a little dark. When you get a chance shoot some more, I'd like to get a look at it. I can't bend a brake line without doing it three times to get it right. Can you see me with a tubing bender.

I do like the idea of boxing it in. The windshield is the weakest point. I'll look into boxing mine in once I get the rest done.
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Keep in mind I have that clear if you decide to go that route.

The pic is a little dark. When you get a chance shoot some more, I'd like to get a look at it. I can't bend a brake line without doing it three times to get it right. Can you see me with a tubing bender.

I do like the idea of boxing it in. The windshield is the weakest point. I'll look into boxing mine in once I get the rest done.

I took Wednesday off to try to finish the bar up...and they are predicting rain! If weather allows I will post some better pictures. If you need bars bent, I have the bender for another month or so...we could bend them up and leave them long to cut later.

What type of clear did you have? If I remember, it was either Centari or Chromabase. The shop I can use shot lots of Centari in the past, a little Nason, and now 2 part PPG. The owner is pricing options for me and I think he's going to help me get a better price than I get on my own.

Oh, if I could have gotten my brake lines in the tube bender, mine might look better also!

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I took Wednesday off to try to finish the bar up...and they are predicting rain! If weather allows I will post some better pictures. If you need bars bent, I have the bender for another month or so...we could bend them up and leave them long to cut later.

What type of clear did you have? If I remember, it was either Centari or Chromabase. The shop I can use shot lots of Centari in the past, a little Nason, and now 2 part PPG. The owner is pricing options for me and I think he's going to help me get a better price than I get on my own.

Oh, if I could have gotten my brake lines in the tube bender, mine might look better also!

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Chromaclear it goes with the chromabase.

Centari is a single stage paint. A step up from that is chromaone. Neither need to be cleared.

I hate PPG but that's just me. Also didn't PPG start with the water base paints.

What color are you going. I'll see what I can do for pricing. I assume red. (Most expensive color)But there's allot of reds. If you have a code send it to me. Also the quake took out the factory that makes the red pigment for the paint, so if it's red buy it now. I can't even order a red truck for the company right now. I tried.

Also I would think you could pick up the chromabase for very close to what you'll pay for a single stag and I have the clear. However I do know shops that shoot PPG and won't even think about shooting DuPont, so check.

Real men shoot DuPont The ladies shoot PPG because it's easier and it's more user friendly. But it chips off real easy. About the same as nail polish. I've used both. LMAO - I'll stop now I'm getting on a roll about PPG.

As far as the pipe bender goes, does it come with the air controller or was that optional.
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When I painted the inside of the tub I just asked for the factory red for a 94 YJ. I plan on using the rest of the nason for the roll bar. I'll check the color tomorrow when I get home. Thanks for the tip on the red pigment supply issue. Are the reducers and activators for the clear and the color the same, or would I need different ones? Do you think 2 quarts color would do the outside? The bodyshop guy doesn't care what I spray.

The bender was built from a set of plans by the owner and he incorporated the air piston from the start. He bought the die (1 3/4"). Bend are beautiful and smooth....and the youngest loves saying she bend the bars herself .

I'm crossing my fingers the weather gives me a break to get a little done tomorrow. I think I have figured some quick disconnects for the windshield to attach to the roll bar. The girls want to be able to drop it around town. The oldest had been pushing for a motorcyle so I figure this is a fair compromise (lots of crazy drivers around here to learn how to ride).
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QUOTE=94 yj;1174862]When I painted the inside of the tub I just asked for the factory red for a 94 YJ. I plan on using the rest of the nason for the roll bar. I'll check the color tomorrow when I get home. Thanks for the tip on the red pigment supply issue. Are the reducers and activators for the clear and the color the same, or would I need different ones?
They are not the same.
Clear and activator your all set. The paint uses a reducer. I may have a gallon left I'll check in the morning.



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Do you think 2 quarts color would do the outside? The bodyshop guy doesn't care what I spray.
I used a little over two quarts. By a little I mean there is 1 1/2 missing out of the last quart. If there's no metallic in the paint you should be fine. The can will tell you to mix it 50/50. Don't, if you decide to go this route I'll give you some tips later.

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Good for her...... I have allot of pistons kicking aroung. What do you think he payed for the die. I could make that with the stuff I have at the shop.

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I'm crossing my fingers the weather gives me a break to get a little done tomorrow. I think I have figured some quick disconnects for the windshield to attach to the roll bar. The girls want to be able to drop it around town.
Ask around on the forum. I've heard from some local guys that after you drop the windshield and brake the seal they have a tendency to leak and cause problems. I don't know for sure. Might be worth asking.

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My youngest was sending me pictures Monday of some bikes she wants to look at. (Both my girls ride.) But nothing as powerful as what she was sending me. I don't think she needs a 1000cc crotch rocket. Let start out with a 600.
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I looked around I don't have any reducer.
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I looked around I don't have any reducer.

Thanks for looking. You do have the activator for the clear? The Nason color I shot the inside is

"B9326 IB"
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Not sure what I have exactly, I said I needed '94 YJ red and this is what they sold me.

My buddy just painted his bike with Chromasystem and said he will spray nothing else now. This with your recomendations are making me lean this way. Now to see how much $$.

Here are some pictures of the roll bar progress. We have welded the upper half of the joints and then will flip the bar over to weld the bottom.











And here's a close up of the bender for you Always Stuck:



I plan on taking some notes and measurements before I return it. I had it with me at your shop a couple weeks ago we should have played around a little! Hopefully the weather will co-operate and the cage will be done Saturday. Girls have next week off and around the Softball schedules and my work, we hope to tie up a bunch of things to get ready for paint.
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Thanks for looking. You do have the activator for the clear? The Nason color I shot the inside is

"B9326 IB"
Car: "Monroe Trucking"
Color "flame red"

Not sure what I have exactly, I said I needed '94 YJ red and this is what they sold me.

My buddy just painted his bike with Chromasystem and said he will spray nothing else now. This with your recomendations are making me lean this way. Now to see how much $$.

Here are some pictures of the roll bar progress. We have welded the upper half of the joints and then will flip the bar over to weld the bottom.











And here's a close up of the bender for you Always Stuck:



I plan on taking some notes and measurements before I return it. I had it with me at your shop a couple weeks ago we should have played around a little! Hopefully the weather will co-operate and the cage will be done Saturday. Girls have next week off and around the Softball schedules and my work, we hope to tie up a bunch of things to get ready for paint.
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WOW cage looks real good.

I have the clear and the activator.

You need the paint and reducer. The guy that gives me the good deals on my paint is on vacation. He's back on Monday.
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Made some progress last couple of days. Oldest daughter sanded filler around winshield frame repair and younger daughter primed and painted the roll bar.

First SEM rattle can self-etch primer on Sunday.



Monday after softball games she and shot with Nason primer. Her first time with a gun. She did great.



An hour later we sanded and painted red with Nason left over from interior/engine compartment. While that was going on the oldest whiped the passenger side with prep-sol, masked and we shot primer on the tub. Sorry no pictures, but the sky started to look real ominous and we even felt a drop of rain. We scrambled to put everything away before the rain. We just made it. Pictures coming soon. Hopefully we'll have paint on the body in the next week or so. I'm looking at paint options now. Leaning towards Dupont Chromasystem with a gentle nudge from "Always Stuck". I have to co-ordinate with body shop I'm spraying in. Daughters' minivan died yesterday so there is even more push now.
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I have a feeling that when this project is done you won't want to give it away to the daughter.

Awesome work.
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I got some pricing on the paint, but left the paper at work. I'll send the info tomorrow.
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I got some pricing on the paint, but left the paper at work. I'll send the info tomorrow.

Excellent. I called around here and realized that red is the WRONG color if you are trying to save a budget! Kids are excited seeing the red on the rollbar so they're getting re-energized for the project.
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This is an awesome thread!!! I might have to show my dad this and see if i can get him to buy me a jeep so we can have a "father-son" project haha

But seriously man great job, me being 17 about to turn 18 in a few days, can tell you that not very many kinda nowadays do anything let alone like their parents...kinda sad actually. :/

But i really do like the additions to the rollcage, i really like the idea i might have to steal it one day
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Did you get any work done this weekend. It wasn't very warm but at least it wasn't raining.
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Did you get any work done this weekend. It wasn't very warm but at least it wasn't raining.

Sorry for the lack of updates. Progress is coming along fine. Brakes are fine and bleed. Body has been primed and sanded...refilled and sanded...refilled and sanded . Loaded on trailer waiting for spray at shop this Tuesday night. Sorry no pics as work has blocked photobucket with the firewall. I'll try to post tomorrow. Plan is to spray another coat on the rollbar and paint some odds and ends in prep for the body returning middle of next week.

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