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Old 02-16-2010, 10:59 AM   #31
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-Heh Heh, thanx Rawkon, I'm an old guy, so sometimes my points are OUTDATED !!

Here's a point, I was trained by BFG in the '70's when I had a tire shop in Paradise, Ca

We couldn't cross rotate the new radial tires, because they took a directional "SET"

I still won't cross rotate even on my 4wd's

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Old 02-16-2010, 11:28 AM   #32
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...a nice sharpened spike sticking out of his dash ...
Now that would probably work wonders for making us become smoother drivers.

Unless we're driving with a vampire. Then we'd slam the brakes on. It would work perfectly.

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Old 02-16-2010, 01:02 PM   #33
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This crap is done. If you're not discussing Rawkon's modification, get the hell out of the thread.

If it continues, I will be removing ALL the off-topic posts.

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Old 02-16-2010, 03:22 PM   #34
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Okay, the thread is marginally scrubbed. Again, if you are not interested in discussing Rawk's mod, step away from the post button and keep your off topic comments to yourself. I will not hesitate to edit, remove, or hand out vacations.
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Old 02-16-2010, 07:50 PM   #35
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On occasion I've had to fab up "special" tools to get the job done.When I show them off to the guys,I usually get the "why didn't you do this?"comment.I say it served the purpose that it was intended.Are you happy with your Jesus Bar?Then it serves its purpose.You need to get a pair of those sparkly hand-grips with tassles on them.............
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Personally, I think he did well with the fabrication. 2 questions tho, 1, why only a single mount point instead of the dual mounting of the stock handle? I'd be concerned with bending the main tube even with the added gussets. And 2, why so much longer than the stock handle?
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Old 02-16-2010, 11:51 PM   #37
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baja funny you say that a friend said hes gonna get me barbie grips with tassels. i told them id rock them if he bought em.

Ray, the main tube and handle are 1" .120 wall mild steal no way can that be bent by hand, the gussets were added to keep it from tearing from the flat bar. its longer then the stock handle because of my harnessed seats. you cant come close to touching the stock dash when your buckled up. well unless your a knuckle dragger..... I really wanted to make it adjustable but didnt have access to a drill press that day. it cost me about 12 bucks to make and we got to play with a tig.
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Old 02-19-2010, 06:50 PM   #38
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Looks good Rawkon, I had the same set up in my caged ranger. works really good too from what the passengers said.
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Old 02-19-2010, 07:40 PM   #39
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Hey There Rawkon Dont know how I missed this one,Looks good man I did some thing similar a while ago..GPS mounts on there too..
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nice i like how you mounted yours on the cage. when i finish my cage mines gonna look very similar....
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I told you id rock them

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i just now read through this thread, i'd give credit to the air bag talk if either of those designs that are posted above still had the air bag working. rawkon said its inop and thats good, jerryj i hope yours is disabled also. if you have a working air bag with one of those that could cause some serious problems if deployed.

oh yeah, personally i think its ugly as sin and its too long and creates more leverage than those stock mounting points were designed to handle, just my theory. they had a short plastic handle attached originally, not a metal tubular bar that leverages a foot away from the mounting point.
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Old 02-20-2010, 09:21 PM   #43
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there not used to do pull ups on..... just to put your hands on them while wheeling. its much safer then having someone having there hands flying around or using a roll cage hand grip to hold too in case of a roll over or flop.
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I like it, I like the seats too. I'd ride along, but then again, I also jump out of a perfectly fine airplane.
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even if the bag deployed it would have zero effect with someone who was feet away harnessed in. it would prolly just scare the crap out of you. I dont think chrysler designed or tested my jeep for this

or this
If I were you, I would be more worried about that rock that is about to eat your Jeep!

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hahahahahahahhaaha thats awseome
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i just now read through this thread, i'd give credit to the air bag talk if either of those designs that are posted above still had the air bag working. rawkon said its inop and thats good, jerryj i hope yours is disabled also. if you have a working air bag with one of those that could cause some serious problems if deployed.

oh yeah, personally i think its ugly as sin and its too long and creates more leverage than those stock mounting points were designed to handle, just my theory. they had a short plastic handle attached originally, not a metal tubular bar that leverages a foot away from the mounting point.
Its been removed theres lots o room back there for more wiring and a sub pannal.I pre run races in my jeep and will be racing it next year. no their not for every one.The stock handle was ripped almost off by my 250lb friend that was trying to hang on after about 50 miles of rough stuff.The cage bar is too uncomfy over time,function before flow,although the barbie grips do make it really pop.
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I told you id rock them

No you didn't!
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Old 02-22-2010, 09:47 AM   #49
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I told you id rock them

Love the grips man!!
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Old 02-22-2010, 08:22 PM   #50
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Some thoughts:
Agreed that arms can fling about.
Agreed that airbags do SOME good.
But the reason 5 and 6 point harnesses exist - in a crash, a 4 point's shoulder straps will pull up on the lap belt into the soft part of your gut. Stomach, spleen, etc get ruptured.
The 5th belt - the submarine belt, keep the lap belt around your hips - hips can take much more than your gut.
Shoulder belts that attach to the floor will pull your spine down in a crash. That's why the bar.
DOT did not approve 5 points in favor of a system that is easy to use - would you bother to hook up the shoulder harnesses and sub belt just to run to the store? They knew you wouldn't, so what good is it if you sit on it? Something is better than nothing.

To provide a place for hands - motorcycles have a strap across the seat. Why not something similar? A bar mounted to the floor in front of the seat and slightly lower. It gives a place for hands and is out of the way of an airbag?
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Old 06-05-2011, 11:43 AM   #51
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just a follow up, crashed the jeep and toteled 2 cars. jeep is fine and my brother didnt get stabbed by the oh crap bar... he was in his five points and didnt move....

some BIG hits in this video and you can see your not that close to the bar
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Old 06-05-2011, 11:53 AM   #52
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Sweet video Kevin. Btw how's the jeep? Did you find a new axle yet?
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yup high pinion 30, 4.56s steve is also finishing my 8.8 and putting 4.56s too.
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Nice, that's a good setup.
I just got 4.56's in mine too.
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Old 06-05-2011, 04:26 PM   #55
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yea the jeep should be really fast up to 65mph hahaha i have the 3 speed auto.....but thats basically what im looking for with my jeep speed habit
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Haha, yea, after the regear I cruise, I was never much of a speeder on the freeway anyway. Its pretty comfortable at 65-70, but mine is a 5sp.
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I don't know what all this freakin' "Air Bag" talk is all about.

Damn, obviously NONE of the folks who posted in disagreement to the t-handle are old enough to remember standing... Yes, I said STANDING in Granddad's station wagon, holding onto the dash while doing 60 down a heavily traveled rural road.
You guys all act like airbags are the end all cure for injuries during a crash. How come I've dug dead guys off of airbags along the road back when I was running with EMS? How come most folks that come into the ER after an airbag deployment have burns and broken thumbs? Airbags only work if you're properly restrained. No airbag in the world will keep you from getting ejected. Since Rawkon has a heavier than factory restraint system, you shouldn't give him any $hit over it. Most of you wheel with Chrysler's piss poor excuse for seatbelts and no one calls you out over it or offers better than thou comments. Give him a break!

Looks good man. I'd probably crack myself in the nuts if I climbed into your rig as clumsy as I am!
I have never "dug" any "dead guys off of airbags" before. I have really only seen airbags help people. I have only seen 1 injury from an airbag. In a late model chrysler minivan there was an airbag under the dash (?) and when the airbag blew the lower cover off of the dash it hit this lady's leg and she had a minor injury from it. And it was a pretty major collision, but the airbags do their job, especially if you WEAR YOUR F'N SEATBELT! Other than that, they are not designed to keep you from being ejected. They are designed to keep your chest from slamming into the steering wheel/dash/windshield and causing an aortic rupture, pneumothorax, hemothorax, hemo-pneumo-thorax, sudden cardiac arrest, pericradial contusion, pericardial tampanade(...) and so on and so forth.
Now this "suicide bar" would be an acceptable modification in this vehicle, provided the harness and seat were securely attached and being used properly.
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that it is. and always is.
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Rawkon,

Just a design question: How did you determine the distance out from the dash on that bar? I like the look and idea if I were to go to a 5 point system (my Jeep isn't ready for it yet), but wondered just how far/close to the dash would be optimal.
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literally had my navigator sit in and take a measurement. 5 points are a pain to setup but the comfort and abuse the seats take is awesome. when i do long range high speed runs i have the same guy fly in from portland and run with me everytime. but you can do a generic measurement with an adult and be pretty close for most people.
the jeep isnt a daily driver and is usually towed to the trail.

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