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Old 07-09-2013, 10:22 PM   #31
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My 5 series has been parked since the day I bought my Jeep. I love my BMW and will never part with it, but it has a very lonely life since my Wrangler moved in. I don't think that I will ever drive anything else. Nothing else gives you that sense of freedom like a Wrangler.

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Old 07-09-2013, 11:14 PM   #33
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Picked up the Sport "S" Wrangler Unlimited and took it on its rounds of a normal night of me being part of the family taxi fleet. My daughter loves it, for completely bizarre reasons (she can touch the top of the window with her elbow resting on the window bottom).

Took it around town and my left foot stalled the crap out of it on three separate occasions. The BMW was far more tolerant of light clutching in first. I also noticed that sixth gear is a true 6th gear for a truck (like my beloved 1992 Toyota 4x2.. RIP) and if I lost momentum uphill on the highway, I had to downshift into 5th to regain enough power to get back up into the high 60s.

The other thing I noticed, which actually put a huge smile on my face, is that every Wrangler owner that I encountered driving in the opposing lane gave me the steering-wheel wave hello. No Cherokee owners did this, and certainly no other strangers in other cars. But, without fail, every single Wrangler owner waved at me, and I knew none of them and this Jeep has no front plate, so they're not mistaking me for someone else. Words can't describe how great that made me feel.

It drives like a truck, but the fun part of a truck and not the sucky part of a truck. You know, it's what you imagined driving a truck would be like when you were a 10 year old kid.

I can't deal with the cloth seats - kids and cloth seats are a bad match. Leather is infinitely more cleanable and de-germable

I can feel the addiction growing like I've gotten my "first free hit" from the dealer, and I've only had the lot model a couple hours - I get to drive it all day tomorrow too. I didn't like that when I open the door there's nothing inside that lights up, so I couldn't find the keyhole in the dark

I'll post again tomorrow, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's after I've put a deposit down on this thing. All afternoon long while driving it, I had a grin on my face and I felt relaxed.

The BMW gives me claustrophobia, the Jeep makes me feel free.
The part about this that had me smiling like the dickens was the part about the jeep wave. Can't believe you've never heard of the jeep wave! I love to hear this. Congrats!!!
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The BMW gives me claustrophobia, the Jeep makes me feel free.
Having the top off, you will never look at a sunroof the same.

It is a different world.

Glad you are enjoying the Jeep.
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Nice OP (those are your initials and the fact that your are the Original Poster is just a coincidence). Glad to hear you are enjoying it. I'm with you on the stress free driving piece. I felt that too after dumping the 300 for this. No longer felt like I had to go faster than the car next to me.

My kids like it because the back windows go all the way down...

Did you at least get to open the front of the top? I was amazed at the openess as soon as I did it. I will never look at a sunroof the same again.

Enjoy your commute to work tomorrow. Hope you don't get lost...
It's a rough neighborhood... one wrong turn at the Dunkin Donuts and I could find myself in the wilderness. I couldn't put my finger on what was responsible for the lack of anxiety while driving, but you said it perfectly: I no longer feel obligated to go faster than the car next to me. With the BMW, most of the things that you do to justify its ownership involving breaking the speed laws.
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Took a picture of the test drive model (all black freedom hard top) and showed it to a couple friends of mine. Predictably, the sports car guy was disgusted that I would consider this.

Another friend of mine, who has owned a BMW 5-series and drives a Grand Cherokee replied, "What is that? A Wrangler ambulance? Looks like something from M*A*S*H"

He thinks he insulted it, but comparing it to a MASH Jeep just made me happier
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So what are you going to do????

Have you ever received a wave from another BMW owner while driving yours?
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Took a picture of the test drive model (all black freedom hard top) and showed it to a couple friends of mine. Predictably, the sports car guy was disgusted that I would consider this.

Another friend of mine, who has owned a BMW 5-series and drives a Grand Cherokee replied, "What is that? A Wrangler ambulance? Looks like something from M*A*S*H"

He thinks he insulted it, but comparing it to a MASH Jeep just made me happier
Buy the jeep. And make that thing a bada**. Just so when you see those friends again, their jaws drop. Lift it, put big tires on it, have a giant American flag sticking off the back, and scream FREEDOM every time you drive by them! Lmao XD
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:28 AM   #42
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When my wife is in the dealership talking about the Cherokee, I'll pull a dealer aside and ask him what kind of deal he'll make me to take my BMW off my hands
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:59 AM   #43
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Are they safe, though? I mean, if I get into an accident in the BMW, I feel confident that my daughter will survive it in the back seat or the front. It has like 40 hojillion air bags and big steel poles that reinforce the doors, it even automatically disables flow of fuel through the lines when it detects an impact, preventing after-crash flames.
Previous Inifiniti owner here and I don't miss it one bit I love my Jeep!

I would say safe in a different way, its more of how is your Jeep modded

I have a TJ and was rear ended at a yield sign. the kids whole front end was smashed in and the only thing that was damaged on my rear end was my tow hitch. My factory rear bumper has paint on it and the rear frame cross member has a slight curve that you can only see if you view it from the side. I have a 4 inch lift

I know the new Jeep JK's have plastic bumpers but they still use a similar frame design of the prev jeeps and the jeep sits up high. and the cars on the road are mostly made of plastic and fiber glass on the outside.

Jeeps have a warning sticker saying the top and doors are only to protect you from the elements and the Wranglers also stick to a basic design, I'm not sure if the JK's have the fuel disabler but it would be a good feature. many jeepers carry fire extinguishers incase of fires off roading but can be useful in an accident if the tank is hit in an accident.

In the end Wranglers are not the safest compared to alot of other SUV's
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As far as safety, State Farm told me the JKU was rated really high and my cost of insurance actually went down!
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Took it around town and my left foot stalled the crap out of it on three separate occasions. The BMW was far more tolerant of light clutching in first.
Once you take delivery, you will want to turn off the Hill Start Assist, which leaves the brakes engaged for a moment after you let off the pedal. That, most likely, is what caused you to stall. Once you've done that and gotten used to the clutch, you won't kill it anymore. I hated first gear until I turned off Hill Start Assist.

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The other thing I noticed, which actually put a huge smile on my face, is that every Wrangler owner that I encountered driving in the opposing lane gave me the steering-wheel wave hello. No Cherokee owners did this, and certainly no other strangers in other cars. But, without fail, every single Wrangler owner waved at me, and I knew none of them and this Jeep has no front plate, so they're not mistaking me for someone else. Words can't describe how great that made me feel.
I hope you were waving back!
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I hope you were waving back!
Of course. As I drove it around a bit today, I experienced three more "Jeep waves".
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For the last 10 years I had a 745i and a 750Li. In February I traded the 750 in for a 2013 Unlimited Sahara. In the last five months my Family and have had more fun than I can remember.

BMWs are amazing machines, but from now on I will always be in a Jeep JK Covertible.

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For the last 10 years I had a 745i and a 750Li. In February I traded the 750 in for a 2013 Unlimited Sahara. In the last five months my Family and have had more fun than I can remember.

BMWs are amazing machines, but from now on I will always be in a Jeep JK Covertible.

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That they are I currently have a 325is swapped 2.8 e36 and I'm in the process of finding a tj sahara or Rubicon can only do so much in a car a jeep on other hand endless fun
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So OP... It's Thursday night, and I think we're all sitting here wondering what the verdict is?
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since you been driving a car with a good amount of power, i might be able to relate. i had a 05 mitsubishi lancer evolution. prior to me selling it, it was at about 400hp, AWD and a blast to just fly around town. i got numerous looks, plenty of thumbs up and nods. after owning it for 8 years, and it was still in close to immaculate condition. i said to myself its time for something new....

wranglers aren't mean't for speed, but their mean't to enjoy ride around with the roof off and doors off enjoying the nice weather and of course your occasional off roading trips.

anywho welcome aboard!!! please do keep us updated as to what you do
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So last night I dropped the test drive model off at the dealership. On the way there, we got nailed with flash floods, biblically heavy rains, and tornado warnings. As I drove through this, water splashing all the way up over the Jeep's hood, my dominant thought was, "Holy crap.. I need to find bigger puddles! Muddy ones!!" I picked my daughter up from camp in the Jeep and the road looked like a river. She has thus dubbed the test drive model "The Savior" (my BMW would have needed a tow to get out from under the bridge flood I plowed through in the Jeep).

Then, as I drove home in my BMW, I missed the Jeep. I missed it a LOT. Tonight when I go back to the dealership so my wife can talk about her Cherokee, I'm going to ask them to make the numbers work for a Rubicon Unlimited. Will keep you all posted.
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The weather was definitely trying to tell you something....and you listened. Good luck and I hope your next post includes pics of your new Rubicon.
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So last night I dropped the test drive model off at the dealership. On the way there, we got nailed with flash floods, biblically heavy rains, and tornado warnings. As I drove through this, water splashing all the way up over the Jeep's hood, my dominant thought was, "Holy crap.. I need to find bigger puddles! Muddy ones!!" I picked my daughter up from camp in the Jeep and the road looked like a river. She has thus dubbed the test drive model "The Savior" (my BMW would have needed a tow to get out from under the bridge flood I plowed through in the Jeep).

Then, as I drove home in my BMW, I missed the Jeep. I missed it a LOT. Tonight when I go back to the dealership so my wife can talk about her Cherokee, I'm going to ask them to make the numbers work for a Rubicon Unlimited. Will keep you all posted.
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The Jeep gods were telling you go forth and rid yourself of sub-standard fun my friend. Get'er dun!
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Yesterday I was in a Jeep dealership checking out the 2014 GC summit as a replacement for the family SUV - we have an Acura MDX right now and I can't stand driving it. I told the car dealer it felt like I was driving a pillow - falling asleep in that thing is actually a pretty big danger.

So while I was there, out of the corner of my eye, I spied a 4 door all black Wrangler Sport Unlimited something.. (I'm a newb, so I don't know the jargon for what I was looking at).

Here's my dilemma.. I own a bright red 2012 twin turbo BMW 335i Sport with M-sport quick shifter and upgraded run flat wheels. This car is badass and frequently gets appreciative stares in parking lots and while I'm driving around. I have even had a cop at a seatbelt onramp check stop me and ask me questions about this car. It does 0-60 in less time than Dr. Who's TARDIS.

I am going back to this dealership on Thursday to test drive the wrangler but I remain skeptical. Consumer Reports rated the Wrangler at 20 while it rated the GC Summit at 80. The wrangler is on their "do not recommend" list, even as a potential zombie apocalypse survival vehicle (yes, they actually have an article about that...)

So, here's my challenge to the Jeep people here: convince me that I'm going to love driving this thing to the grocery store and to pick my daughter up from cheerleading. I know it'll be a blast to take off-road, and if I do swap, I will seek out trails... but, 90% of my driving will me around a small suburb or on New England highways.

The second challenge is, what would you say to the people who would inevitably say, "You traded a BMW 335i sport for a WHAT?!?"

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DO IT DO IT DO IT. if its a family car get the unlimited (4 door wrangler)

a friend of mine has a 2008 e92 m3. sick sick sick car! but hes obsessed with my jeep as much as I am. if your into modding cars its just a different type of car. I love bmws but I LOVE love my jeep more. Think about it this way. okay cool your cars fast. but how often are you going 150 on the street...exactly. it just looks cool. but jeeps these bad boys are 4 wheel drive. when it rains hard and snows you have no trouble getting out of the house and shitting on the tiny sports cars pulling over or stuck in ditches. it just shits on everything. ok cool the sport car is fast. with a good lift kit and some serious tires you can basically run that little car over.

SO DO IT !!!!
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Thanks everybody for the encouragement. As the last poster mentioned - yes, the BMW is scary fast..but, the only way to actually utilize the features I paid so much money for is to risk being arrested for wreckless driving.

I'll try and see what the dealer can do for me in terms of an Unlimited Rubicon. How much does a lift plus wheels cost and, would I need replacement tires if I got the rubicon?

I haven't done much car modification, but I learn ridiculously fast and the first thing I would want to do after getting a rubicon is get it coated with mud
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check out the jk section for mods. Lifting will alter the geometry and may cause failure in your driveshaft. I'm not trying to scare you, but the best way to lift correctly is to do research and have the experienced jk owners help you out. It took me months to lift and lift right. the higher you go, the more components you will need.

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Lift can be as cheap as 500 bucks all the way up to 5k all depends on quality and who builds it. Tires can get expensive as well, I am running ATX rims with Goodyear MTrs and I believe the tires were about 400 each and the rims were about 250. Good luck this evening.
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