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Old 12-13-2008, 04:54 PM   #1
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Hello, from Philly here.
Well I don't have a Jeep yet, but I'm working on it. Hopefully I can sell my daily driver (06 Scion tc) don't laugh!!!
Currently looking for a lower mileage TJ 4.0, but I've been hearing about this death wobble thing. Any reason for concern there? Is it common? Tough to fix? Way to determine if the Wrangler I'm buying is prone to it?
Thanks for any info in advance.
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Old 12-13-2008, 05:58 PM   #2
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welcome to the forum. good luck on the search. don't be concerned with it, we'll fix it for ya. i'd just give prospective jeeps a good test drive. go at some steady speeds, maybe 35, then 45, then 55, and aim at some small bumps in the road.

it is well worth it to pay a mechanic you trust an hour inspection time on a used vehicle

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Old 12-13-2008, 07:27 PM   #3
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Thanks for the welcome! A good family friend had a TJ he bought new, and started having the death wobble problem. After taking the truck back to Jeep, they told him there was nothing wrong with it. Long story short, after seeing many different mechanic shops, the most they could come up with was to replace the steering stabilizer. That from what I understand, is just kind of like a bandaid that doesn't address the actual problem. He isn't very mechanically inclined, and being angry with having bought a new Jeep that was under warranty that wasn't being fixed, he traded it in on the new 4 door unlimted. I do all my own wrenching on all of my cars/trucks, so is this problem something I'm going to need a hydraulic lift to fix? And would it be worth it to buy a TJ that has the wobble? I've had my fair share of money pits, ie the gmc Syclone, and I'm not looking to travel that path again.
Thanks for the response jp, hopefully I'll be a contributing member in the near future.
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Old 12-13-2008, 07:36 PM   #4
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like i said, we'll help ya fix dw on here. there's some tj guys that will definately get it figured out if you get it. i wouldn't pass one up that had it, IF you can kill them on the price. you got all the info on a jeep you'll ever need right here. you wouldn't need a lift to fix anything, just jack and stands.
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Jeep = money pit. But for mods.


As for the dreaded "death wobble", there are several things that can cause the issue.

Tire balance!!!!!!
trac bar need tightened
alignment!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are the most common issues that will cause "DW" in a TJ.
Stock TJ's don't have the problem as much as lifted TJ's do.

Reason....
After putting on ANY suspension lifts you must get an alignment done. Some don't do it and end up with DW because they refuse to listen to ppl that know what they are talking about.
Also after driving with a new lift for alittle while you need to retighten all the new components you installed. I.E....TRAC BAR! and so on.
This is because even thought the components are metal they still are subject to being "de-stressed" basically to say broke in. After a brake-in period bolts may become loose.


Don't let the info above scare you away from buying a TJ.
They are not the only vehicle subject to DW... any vehicle with modified suspension is.

It's easy to fix if. And if you do everything correctly you'll be golden with no problems.

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Old 12-13-2008, 08:18 PM   #6
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welcome to WF!
I had the death wobble, but luckily I had a close friend fix it. He pretty much took off the entire lift and put it back on with some goodies and it drives better now that it did when I bought it used (stock height).
We can definetly help you out here with questions, welcome!
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:07 PM   #7
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Sweet!! Thanks alot guys. I'm hoping this community is as tight as the syty community.
I've been looking at a few Jeeps in the area, some lifted, some not. I'm more or less leaning toward a virgin TJ. Not sure if I want to trust the handy work of somebody I don't know, but it would be pretty damned nice to buy the jeep with a little lift on it already. Now if I could just find a Rubicon in my price range.......
Whats your opinion, 5spd or auto? I was thinking get an auto so I don't burn up the clutch trying to get out of some sticky mudholes, but you guys would know better than I would. Thanks again fellas
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I have a 05 rubi never had any death wobble probs even now with it lifted with a 4.5 inch RE long arm kit, 33x12x16 tires and the stock steering stabilizer. I think i've had it up to about 90mph on the highway that was fast enough it's a jeep not a corvette hehehehhee. I bought mine stock with 14k on it like brand new shape then i modded it. Photoalbum
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Old 12-19-2008, 05:31 PM   #9
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I have a 05 rubi never had any death wobble probs even now with it lifted with a 4.5 inch RE long arm kit, 33x12x16 tires and the stock steering stabilizer. I think i've had it up to about 90mph on the highway that was fast enough it's a jeep not a corvette hehehehhee. I bought mine stock with 14k on it like brand new shape then i modded it. Photoalbum
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Old 12-20-2008, 02:44 PM   #11
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Yeah that is a nice Rubicon. Could you go to 35"s on that and not rub? The 33" looks great though. Just got word from my Dad, he knows a rich guy who's got a Rubi as a toy.
I might be able to get it in the price range I'm looking for.
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Old 12-23-2008, 04:23 PM   #12
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Yeah that is a nice Rubicon. Could you go to 35"s on that and not rub? The 33" looks great though. Just got word from my Dad, he knows a rich guy who's got a Rubi as a toy.
I might be able to get it in the price range I'm looking for.
looks like i could fit 35s but it flexes like crazy they would rub when i'm flexing thru 3ft holes i'm gonna get 5.5 springs soon and some 35s i'll keep the 4.5 springs just in case i want to lower it. A rubi is the way to go with the 6 speed and 4to1 low you can get away with putting 35s on and not regearing plus they have dana 44s a stronger drivetrain and air lockers. If your getting a jeep for offroad your better off with a rubicon it would cost you alot more to add all thats stock in it. If you plan on just light offroading and never putting on bigger tires get a stock wrangler.
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heres a vid on me going thru some big holes

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looks like i could fit 35s but it flexes like crazy they would rub when i'm flexing thru 3ft holes i'm gonna get 5.5 springs soon and some 35s i'll keep the 4.5 springs just in case i want to lower it. A rubi is the way to go with the 6 speed and 4to1 low you can get away with putting 35s on and not regearing plus they have dana 44s a stronger drivetrain and air lockers. If your getting a jeep for offroad your better off with a rubicon it would cost you alot more to add all thats stock in it. If you plan on just light offroading and never putting on bigger tires get a stock wrangler.

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Old 12-23-2008, 08:34 PM   #14
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Get a Rubicon! Alright I'll admit I'm biased. Here some pics of mine, running a Long Arm setup as well and 35's on 6" springs. I will eventually go to 37" rubber once these MT/Rs wear out. I have also had death wobble, but be advised there is a difference between death wobble and a bad wheel shimmy. Hopefully you won't have to find out the difference. Don't worry about it, a lot of the causes have been mentioned already.

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Get a Rubicon! Alright I'll admit I'm biased. Here some pics of mine, running a Long Arm setup as well and 35's on 6" springs. I will eventually go to 37" rubber once these MT/Rs wear out. I have also had death wobble, but be advised there is a difference between death wobble and a bad wheel shimmy. Hopefully you won't have to find out the difference. Don't worry about it, a lot of the causes have been mentioned already.

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AHH Thats niiiiiiice. Ok I'm now accepting donations to the "Buy John a nice Rubicon fund".
Seriously greenbean thats a nice ride.

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