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Old 03-20-2010, 06:46 PM   #1
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Test drove our first Jeep today

Hello folks,
Found the WF while searching the net for information. This looks like a fine place to start.

My wife and I went out to a local used car dealer close to home today and are interested in buying a 2002 Sport . It has 61,500 miles on it and looks well maintained. I've attached a photo...everybody likes pics right?

The drive was nice except we both noticed a bit of sway or wandering on the open road. The salesman was with us and upon asking him about it he said that all Jeeps did this. Is this true? and if so Is it because of the shorter wheelbase?
We both took it for a spin and both noticed it. Although the steering wheel itself did not move with my hands on or off the wheel, it did have what I would consider like a dipping or swaying from one side to the other. Is this just a Jeep thing or would other measures be needed to correct.

If It's normal I could get used to it but don't know how my wife would feel about that, and she would most likely be driving it more in the winter months since her job is further away then mine.

We are buying this Jeep as a third vehicle and for the fun factor, so it will be used for some off roading, maybe to some good fishing holes.

Thanks in advance and looking forward to chatting with you in the future.

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Old 03-20-2010, 06:53 PM   #2
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yes most jeeps sway, atleast all the ones i have drove and rode in do

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Old 03-20-2010, 07:18 PM   #3
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All jeeps do indeed do this for various reasons. It's a tough suspension. The steering is very responsive, and the tires WILL find flaws in the road that you can't see, but you'll feel it, they aren't very aerodynamic either so wind will move you a little.

As long as it's not a shake, or vibration, its normal.

Welcome to WF and good luck on that Jeep. It's a beautiful TJ. if the deal is good, that Jeep will take care of you.
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All the ones i have driven sway a reasonable amount to bad though. If you think it has a bigger problem, look for another one.There are a million of them out there, don't settle. You also have to remember you are driving a fridge on wheels, the wind will effect the handling quite a bit.


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Old 03-20-2010, 07:41 PM   #5
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^agree with all of above
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:42 PM   #6
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Thats funny, mine didn't sway with the stock Rubi springs and doesn't swing AT ALL now, with RC springs onit and it's a lifted 4dr !!!

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Thanks for the quick replies folks. I do feel better about it now. It in no way vibrates or has any steering wheel pull ...plus seeing the tires are a little meatier then we are used to makes sense that it'll feel everything on the pavement. It really is a clean Jeep (not for long) and the Carfax was clean as well.

BTW the dealer was asking 12,900 for it and we negotiated to 11,600. It seems fair to me and my wife really likes it and has always wanted one so I say Happy wife Happy Life

Thank you all again and for the welcomes as well. We are already looking to take the hard shell off and we haven't bought it yet...lol


Is that a JEEP thing???

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Yeah, that's a Jeep thing lol!

Wait till you get it. I remember saying "I'm not doing anything to it, I just want 4x4 for the snow." well, that didn't last long.

I'll have new springs, shocks, rims, and larger tires on her before the trees get leaves.

It's a Jeep thing. People just don't understand
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Congrats on your soon to be new Jeep! Make sure you post more pics! And welcome to WF!
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Congrats on your soon to be new Jeep! Make sure you post more pics! And welcome to WF!
Will do.. as soon as the deal is done. Thanks
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Yeah, that's a Jeep thing lol!

Wait till you get it. I remember saying "I'm not doing anything to it, I just want 4x4 for the snow." well, that didn't last long.

I'll have new springs, shocks, rims, and larger tires on her before the trees get leaves.

It's a Jeep thing. People just don't understand
We'll probably start off with some small mods, like a soft cover / convertable.
I can see where it would be contagious to mod out your rides...lol
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Welcome to the forum.. And yea. It always starts slowly but before you know it'll be one of a kind that is just made right for you..
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welcome to the forum and it is very contagious because it is so easy to change things and work on Jeeps... dont forget to wave
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I have never had a problem with sway or dipping but there may be a simple solution. These used lots that don't specialize in or know much about Wranglers will often over-inflate the tires. It's part of the process that they go through with every car they put on the lot, oil change, detailing etc. Most will inflate to whatever they read on the tire. I have seen some as high as 45psi. So if the dealer doesn't have a problem with it, check the pressure and drop it down to no more than about 30 psi (I run 28 psi in mine). Then drive it again. Granted the wind will have an effect, but you should feel it in the steering wheel. I would also suggest that if you haven't already, take it out to a road where you can get it up to around 60 just to check for any signs of DW.
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^x2 Good call JD.
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I just got my 2002 Sahara TJ yesterday. put 200 miles on it the first day. Before I bought it, however, I did alot of searching. I also took it into some loose gravel for some transfer case checks. Used to be an issue with popping outta gear on some older jeeps. The one I got didn't do that. You got a good deal, I paid 12 for mine with 76k on the clock. No mods on it except some 31x10.50 bfg tires. Oh and mine has a soft and hard top. lol,
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mrbreeze i dont think i live that far from you, i almost went to look at that jeep about a month ago. im from albany.
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Welcome to the family!

And I'd do as JD said. Check the tire pressure and drop it to ~30psi. I noticed this a lot on TJ's I test drove before buying mine. Especially ones in car lots. The pressure was up there and made the tires ride high in the center and caused a little sway. But sway can also be a miss-alignment in the front end. The toe-in/out might be a bit off. If you can get it up to highway speeds and don't experience and death wobble, I'd say you are good. BUT - wind is also a major factor and cause the vehicle to move, you are in a brick on wheels after all.
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Most will inflate to whatever they read on the tire. I have seen some as high as 45psi. So if the dealer doesn't have a problem with it, check the pressure and drop it down to no more than about 30 psi (I run 28 psi in mine). Then drive it again. Granted the wind will have an effect, but you should feel it in the steering wheel. I would also suggest that if you haven't already, take it out to a road where you can get it up to around 60 just to check for any signs of DW.
Good call JD, I will definitely check that out also. What's DW??
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But sway can also be a miss-alignment in the front end. The toe-in/out might be a bit off. If you can get it up to highway speeds and don't experience and death wobble, I'd say you are good. BUT - wind is also a major factor and cause the vehicle to move, you are in a brick on wheels after all.
We plan on taking the TJ to where my wife has her Dodge serviced. They are very good and she wants it checked out from head to toe anyway.
I know all too well about the wind...I currently drive a Honda Element. It's like carrying a piece of sheetrock in heavy winds, but I love it just the same...lol
I figured out what DW is....Oh, that doesn't sound too good. We actually had it up to around 50 and did not experience that. We mostly noticed it at lower speed. From what I'm gathering from you folks is that this ain't no car it's a jeep, & I'm OK with that.--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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i dont think i live that far from you, i almost went to look at that jeep about a month ago. im from albany.
I'm glad you didn't buy it first...lol. Your about an hour away.
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I just got my 2002 Sahara TJ yesterday. put 200 miles on it the first day. Before I bought it, however, I did alot of searching. I also took it into some loose gravel for some transfer case checks. Used to be an issue with popping outta gear on some older jeeps. The one I got didn't do that. You got a good deal, I paid 12 for mine with 76k on the clock. No mods on it except some 31x10.50 bfg tires. Oh and mine has a soft and hard top. lol,
Happy trails, make mine muddy please.
Will be checking all this information out before signing over. My wife is making a list as I write. It seems to be a very clean TJ so I don't foresee too many troubles with it.
Good Luck with your 02 Sahara MoJeeper and Happy Trails to you also!!

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Howdy and welcome to WF.
Thanks a bunch Amy. You guys and girls ROCK !! Thank you all for the well wishes and Jeep information. I'm already happy with having our first Jeep even though we don't have it yet...lol
You folks are making this transistion to Jeep ownership much more pleasant than normal and I do appreciate all your input. We were looking for some fun factor in driving and I think we finally found it.
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:46 PM   #22
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Test drove our first Jeep today (Update)

Hello folks,

Well ... we test drove Bumble again today to see if it had the dreaded DW.
Took it up to between 60 and 70 mph. Not a shake or shimmer to be noticed...yeehaaa. The steering was very responsive. I could see why one be be extra cautious on off ramps and sharp turns.
The sway I had mentioned in my previous post did not even seem as noticable either. I think we were just so used to driving a car and truck that we weren't ready for how a Jeep would handle and it thru us a bit.

Now thanks to you folks we are very confident in knowing that it's really just a Jeep thing and we are very much looking forward to purchasing our first ever JW Sport

Here's a photo I took of the only really flaw on this Jeep. It looks as if it was bumped into at one time and the glass seal broke away from the housing.
Are these stock foglights.? I would like to replace the one that's damaged.
BTW it does light up...lol
Thanks again for all of your help

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Welcome to the WF. I have an 01 Sport and it doesn't sway at all un less it is windy.

The light looks like the stock foglight but it's mounted sideways compared to mine. Mine is bolted directly to the bumper. You have a additional bracket under the tow hook that I don't have.
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Welcome to the WF. I have an 01 Sport and it doesn't sway at all un less it is windy.

The light looks like the stock foglight but it's mounted sideways compared to mine. Mine is bolted directly to the bumper. You have a additional bracket under the tow hook that I don't have.
Thanks for the welcome Beachcomber. Now that you mentioned that, it does look like it was mounted sideways. I have no idea what the extra bracket was for. I guess I could eliminate it after we purchase it Thursday. Is there a hole in the bumper under that extra bracket to mount ?
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Thanks for the welcome Beachcomber. Now that you mentioned that, it does look like it was mounted sideways. I have no idea what the extra bracket was for. I guess I could eliminate it after we purchase it Thursday. Is there a hole in the bumper under that extra bracket to mount ?
I have a round hole and a square hole in the bumper just about under where you light is sitting, that's where the fog lights are mounted. See if you can see anything under the light. Your tow hooks look smaller than the ones on mine.
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I have a round hole and a square hole in the bumper just about under where you light is sitting, that's where the fog lights are mounted. See if you can see anything under the light. Your tow hooks look smaller than the ones on mine.
We just picked up the jeep today and after taking off the broken foglight the holes you mentioned are there for the foglight. That brackets gotta go. As far as the tow hooks I have noting to compare them too but they do seem kinda small. I need to shine up those fender flares with some black chrome, they are dull looking. Pics to follow.
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Congrats on the Jeep purchase!

The hooks are small but do their job well. If you upgrade the front bumper later on, be sure it has some decent clevis mounts to use a D-ring on for recovery purposes, much better than hooks.
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^ I Agree.. Thanks AzTJ
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