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Old 08-12-2011, 02:33 PM   #121
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BTW, winch looks great on that bumper! Let us know about the real test though. Getting your friends unstuck.

Can ship to Canada, but it is kinda pricey. It's best if you have an address stateside... But being in Edmonston, that's kind of a long drive huh? I'll see about what the shipping on it would cost to there. I can offer synthetic line separately. I see no need for a second battery. It's cool to have a dual battery setup, but I've never needed it myself. If you're running your stock bumper, there's a couple of options for a winch plate. I'll send you a PM in a bit when I've got some numbers for you.
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I bought a Warn (M8000), and even I think that is quite possibly the most ridiculous "shootout" I've EVER seen...regardless of topic. I can only assume the rhyme and reason behind the points system was to engineer the winner.

None of the tests made any real sense...except maybe the submerging test. Otherwise, how do you compare a winch that stalls at 12,000 lbs with one that continues pulling until 16,000 lbs and subsequently breaks? Would the Engo break at 16,000? Even so, the Bulldog did survive at the same loading...why was it not the winner? Its a ridiculous test, especially when both numbers are well beyond their rating. How do you combine a test that pits a fast winch that pulls a ton of juice with a slow winch that doesn't? With two properly set up vehicles, the slow line speed would be a negative...but if the Warn had to actually pull all the way up the hill, how hot would it have gotten? Guarantee it would have been hotter than dying out with 57' of line left. 60 points for remote control operation...60 points for all of the objective testing COMBINED?? In what world does that make any sense at all? Ease of use is another 30 points? Wouldn't that include control operation? Exterior labeling gets HALF the value of all the objective testing combined??

Start to finish, this shootout was an utter failure, even if you are a Warn fan. I much prefer the shootout previously done...by putting them on vehicles, in real situations, and seeing which came out on top. THAT test made me respect Superwinch a heck of a lot more than any conclusions I could possibly pull from this atrocity.

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So, tell us how you really fell Bubba!

Hey, found the pics of the wire routing for you. This should help out big time for those running XHD bumpers on the JK. Thanks to Nathan out of Ohio for getting these for me.

Hellraiser. I haven't forgotten about you. I got quoted a really high rate and working to see if I can find something better.



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Just my luck . I wont hold my breath lol. Customs and duty and all that might put it up to what they are up here for winches 550$- ....
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So, tell us how you really fell Bubba!

Hey, found the pics of the wire routing for you. This should help out big time for those running XHD bumpers on the JK. Thanks to Nathan out of Ohio for getting these for me.

Hellraiser. I haven't forgotten about you. I got quoted a really high rate and working to see if I can find something better.
thx chris, I will try it again!
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Just my luck . I wont hold my breath lol. Customs and duty and all that might put it up to what they are up here for winches 550$- ....

I was in the same boat as you being in Canada...but luckly I live near a boarder town so had it shipped there, only cost me 3 bucks to recieve the package there and then 40 bucks in HST at the boarder. I gather from being in Edmonton that it really isn't an option for the boarder...know anyone near the bottom of Alberta near the boarder that could pick it up and then ship it within Alberta? might be cheaper...but does seem like kind of a headache.
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Simple fix and the XHD on the JK is the only bumper I've run into this on. Instead of running the wires in front of the grill like you have there, run them behind and around instead. It's a close and tight fit, but it works.

jeepnpr, I remember you, but need your phone number to look up your order and get the tracking number. Based on your order date, I wouldn't be surprised if you received it today.

To answer another question, under hood relocation doesn't void the warranty.

Winches at these prices are still available. Running low on the 9K winches, but the 10K and 12K we're good on.
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PM'd you info needed, as of today 08/12 no package, hoping tomorrow but would still like tracking number in case no arrival.
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I was in the same boat as you being in Canada...but luckly I live near a boarder town so had it shipped there, only cost me 3 bucks to recieve the package there and then 40 bucks in HST at the boarder. I gather from being in Edmonton that it really isn't an option for the boarder...know anyone near the bottom of Alberta near the boarder that could pick it up and then ship it within Alberta? might be cheaper...but does seem like kind of a headache.
Yaa no I dont. My bro lives in Calgary ... Still not close enough. Oh well such is life. I'll work somethin else out if not.
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Here is the finished product. Looks great! Thanks again Chris!
thx dhamilton and chris, Your pics gave me some confidence that the solenoid box should fit on top.

http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/...er_media_share

I had to remove the rear bar of winch to get the solenoid mount hooks over, then push the bar back in place, then screw the bar down with the hooks in place. did you guys have to do that?

first time I installed a winch so I was surprised it wasn't as straight forward as I expected.
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ok, i read the test, and ready to buy the 12k ,, now chris, how do i get in contact with you on the phone,, tomorrow is my day off and will be making the call.
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Chris how do I get in touch with you ---looking for 12k shipped to hawaii.
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:41 PM   #132
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Anyway, a 9000 lb winch for $289 to anywhere in the lower 48 states. 10,000 lb for only $309 with free shipping. Lifetime Warranty on the mechanical. Only from JeepAddOns.com. Call me today at 800-388-8637 ext 1884 and I'll get your order in and out the door.

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thx dhamilton and chris, Your pics gave me some confidence that the solenoid box should fit on top.

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I had to remove the rear bar of winch to get the solenoid mount hooks over, then push the bar back in place, then screw the bar down with the hooks in place. did you guys have to do that?

first time I installed a winch so I was surprised it wasn't as straight forward as I expected.

Nope mine went on like butter...but as I have previously stated the instructions were not the best, it is a good thing that the winch was fairly straight forward otherwise it could have been a real pain. All the relevant information was in the instructions, just wasn't laid out well...but I love the winch, have used a couple times to get the feel of it, very smooth, very easy, and 12k has no problem moving my jeep lol
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Yep, give me a call toll free.

Got your shipping info over to you Hellraiser. Hope it helps a bit.
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just pulled the trigger on the 12k,, spoke with chris,, awesome guy. cant wait to get my winch
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Great talking to you and be sure to get in touch Wednesday.
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Great talking to you and be sure to get in touch Wednesday.
yup sure will have a reminder set on the smart phone..







and on a side note, if something breaks how the hell does it Finnish first, ( the warn winch )
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Upgraded my tow hook for the 12,000lbs winch for a little peice of mind
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Upgraded my tow hook for the 12,000lbs winch for a little peice of mind
More specifically the Winch hook...tow hook sounds like the bumper...anyways got a new hook that was machine braided into itself for extra strength plus added a 3 ton hook.
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Arrived today and installed. Thanks chris.
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I learned something new about winches yesterday.

I got a call from my buddy that his military k10 blazer was stuck. He was climbing a muddy hill (about 15-20% grade) when his 4wd broke. He slid back down till a couple large trees caught him. Of course he tried gettin out and dug himself in DEEP. The jeep didnt have the power to pull him up so i had to use the winch for the first time. Wasn't even connected to the battery, had to do it on the spot (in the pouring rain!) To make sure it was working before i hooked him up i unspooled the whole cable and respooled it back in with a couple of people holding the end and guiding it in. Was working fine so i hooked up. I put the jeep at the top of the hill, facing the blazer, wrapped a recovery strap from the back of the jeep to a tree to keep me from sliding down the hill and then the winch to the blazer and started reeling him in. Took a little oomph but he started comin up the hill. He was about halfway up but just stopped comin. Noticed on the winch that the cable had come of the screw that held it to the spool causing it to spin spin freely inside the cable.

After talking to chris we came to the conclusion that this was due to the cable not being stretched prior to using it. When I had unspooled it to test that it work it didnt wrap back in as tight as it should (couple guys pulling on it isnt enough weight) which caused the screw to bare some of the weight of pulling the blazer.

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If your receiving your new winch install it and then unspool the whole thing leaving just 3-4 wraps. Then attach it to a tree, telephone pole, truck etc and pull yourself in to allow the cable to stretch and wrap tightly.
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Would like to note that aside from the operator error the winch worked beautifuly to pull this very heavy lifted blazer up a very steep and muddy hill. And the issue is an easy fix, just got to unspool it and put in a new bolt.
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What old blue posted is very good information and important. In talking to what I would guess would be half the people that have ordered thus far, for many this would be their first winch.

I'm going to post some quick pointers for those out there, whether they are purchasing this, a Warn, Superwinch, etc there are a few things to keep in mind. I've done this with any winch I've ever owned.

If purchasing a winch that comes with steel cable, it is important to stretch your line before its first use. Yes, it is steel, but it should be stretched first. And yes, steel line does stretch. Never spool out your line completely and just rely on holding it tight for it to be tight enough to hold on the drum. All winches out there use a screw to keep the line on the drum, but that is not a weight point, it is only there to keep the line in place when spooling the line. Before first use of a winch, spool it out until there are several wraps on the drum and then put weight on it. You can either hook into another vehicle or telephone pole or tree or whatever, but there needs to be significant resistance on the line when respooling. For me, if I'm on a street I will just hook to a pole, apply my brakes somewhat to give some resistance and then bring in the line.

Next, I like to put some of that anti-corrosion battery terminal stuff on my contacts outside the winch. For those near the ocean or in northern states where they salt the roads this is important.

Oil your rope occasionally. It is steel, thus susceptible to corrosion eventually. Penetrating oil will prevent this and keep it in good shape for years of use.

That's it as far as installation suggestions. As far as winch use.

You need a tree saver. Whether you're using steel cable or synthetic line, it is dangerous to wrap your line around a tree and hook back onto itself. A tree saver is cheap (highly recommend ordering one when getting the winch), makes your winching saver and good for the environment (doesn't damage the tree you're tying off on).

Something to weigh down the middle of the rope when doing a recovery. Jacket with something heavy in the pockets, bag that comes in recovery kits, sack of sand, etc. In the test mentioned, it showed the Engo stalling out at a lower weight than a couple of other winches. This is by design. For one, you don't want to pull beyond the breaking strength of the cable. Once again, that can lead to a dangerous situation. Second, it keeps the gears from destroying themselves. However, let's say that your cable is damaged and it does break.. the weight on the middle of the rope during the recovery allows the rope to drop harmlessly to the ground as opposed to lashing back from the stored energy (remember back at the beginning I mentioned that steel does indeed stretch).

So along with the tree saver and weighed bag, other good things to have would be a snatch block, d-rings, etc. You can purchase these separately or you can buy all inclusive "winch recovery kits" that have pretty much everything you'll ever need all in one nice package. We sell those as well.

Here's some good videos regarding use of a winch.



















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did I do something wrong

I have a Mopar off road bumper with a winch cut out. I received my winch today. I am unable to install the Fairlead, the bolt heads are to big to allow the winch to fit into the predrilled holes. I can install the winch or the Fairlead but not both at the same time. Was I suppose to get a mount? Or am I doing something wrong? After reviewing the pic that nytennisaddicts put up , pic # 40 and 41 his fairlead bolts are on the out side of the housing, mine line up with the housing. Please help.
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I have a Mopar off road bumper with a winch cut out. I received my winch today. I am unable to install the Fairlead, the bolt heads are to big to allow the winch to fit into the predrilled holes. I can install the winch or the Fairlead but not both at the same time. Was I suppose to get a mount? Or am I doing something wrong? After reviewing the pic that nytennisaddicts put up , pic # 40 and 41 his fairlead bolts are on the out side of the housing, mine line up with the housing. Please help.
I had the same issue with mine. I had two choices of holes but if I used the ones that allowed the fairlead screws to lie beside my fairlead was not centered properly. So what I did was install the fairlead first but only tighten the bolts until they are flush with the nut that holds them on. Then install the winch. After the winch is fully installed come back put a wrench on the nut and one on the bolt and tighten the fairlead screws. The lockwasher will compress and it will all tighten up nicely. I will run out and snap a pick and show you.
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Here is the pics, sorry about the picture quality...but it is really hummid out and my camera was fogging up
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That was a lot of great info Chris thanks...but man that host was dry....definatly can't watch them all back to back lol
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Most of the last half of videos said "Video is private". But, oh well. Those were probably about the more difficult and technical pulls. I just needed the simple info lol. Thanks Chris for posting the vids.
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I received my winch today. But, the winch plate isn't here yet. I'm hoping it will be here tomorrow so I can mount it up soon. It looks really nice and heavy duty. I got the 9000 pound one btw. Here's some pics.


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Here is the pics, sorry about the picture quality...but it is really hummid out and my camera was fogging up
Thanks for the pics, my winch is mounted but as far as space goes I have enough room to slide a single piece of paper between my winch and the front of the bumper. I only have a couple of options,

1. Add some shims to the bottom of the winch to raise it higher, even if I do this not sure if I will get the clearance.

2. Is to drill new hole for the fairlead or winch........ummmmm I really dont want to go that route.

3. Just run it with no fairlead, the proplem with this is I already cut a hole in my bumper so that the cable wouldn't rub.


if anybody has any ideas let me know. thanks
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