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Old 10-15-2013, 06:04 PM   #1
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Arrow Jeep JK Off Road Mirrors?

We are considering doing a group buy on the new off road LED mirrors and we wanted to know if you would be interested.

If there is enough interest in a group buy we will start a thread with the information inside of our vendor section.

This new product from ORACLE Lighting is expected to be available by SEMA 2013 features a set of high powered LED light bars integrated into the factory side mirrors of the Jeep Wrangler JK. This integration allows for easy installation and a clean, almost OEM look while providing functional peripheral illumination for the driver.

The LED light bar is a custom design that features a total of 24 Cree XPE 3W LEDs. This gives the driver a total of 72W of LED power producing approximately 6500 Lumens. Each unit has a 60° beam angle to optimize the driver's peripheral visibility wether on the trail or in the desert. Three aluminum heat sinks are used to wick heat away from the LEDs and use the airflow through the mirror housing to increase cooling.













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Old 10-15-2013, 06:14 PM   #2
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Interesting...

Are they heated and powered? (yes, I'm a mall crawler)

Where are the light switches located?

How are they wired up?
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looks interesting, along with the above pricing would be a question and will they work with all mirror types such as power/non power. Also would like to see the look when turned on from the drivers seat to see how much glare you get from the hood, etc.
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Interesting...

Are they heated and powered? (yes, I'm a mall crawler)
You swap over your factory glass and mounts with this so if you have heat and power you will retain it.

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Where are the light switches located?
The package comes with a switch, there are several different locations you could mount it based on your preferences.

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How are they wired up?
The system wires up to 12V battery power and is turned on and off via a switch.

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looks interesting, along with the above pricing would be a question and will they work with all mirror types such as power/non power. Also would like to see the look when turned on from the drivers seat to see how much glare you get from the hood, etc.
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These are designed for peripheral illumination, the light does not project out over the hood (see illustration above) so you would not encounter any glare.
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I think they would look better with the light bar on top, not the side. But still a cool concept.
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If you will be attending SEMA this year be sure to stop by the new product showcase and see this in person!

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I think they would look better with the light bar on top, not the side. But still a cool concept.
On the top you would not be able to fit as many LEDs, have a smaller internal heat sink, and if you had a snorkel it would block the light output.

We explored that option early on in the design process
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Do you have a price point set?
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I am very interested, depending on price point obviously.
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Do you have a price point set?
Yes, you can read the official SEMA Press Release here: SEMA 2013 New Jeep Product Press Release
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Hmmm...$500 is a little steep.
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I really, really like them but $500 is more than I'd spend.
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Thanks for the info!

I'm going to have to wait for them to go on super-duper sale or something.
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I really, really like them but $500 is more than I'd spend.
This is why we are asking if you guys would be interested in a group buy. If we can get enough members interested we can sell the first production run at a discounted price.
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I really, really like them but $500 is more than I'd spend.
Ditto as above, But as first responders to your post, I can speak for us all that we are all available to do real world testing if you need it.

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All kidding aside, I have great faith in your products and customer service because I've ordered several Oracle Halo rings from your company and the quality of your product and customer service has been beyond acceptional!!!! I ordered a set of Halos rings which were faulty and your reps mailed me out a new set (while my jeep was torn apart) overnighted, without me even first returning the faulty ones. That is a quality setup hats off to you guys and thats why I will contiunue to use your products.




Are they street legal? I drive alot of rural country roads, I get hassled for minor tints i dont need more headaches from mall cops lol.
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This is why we are asking if you guys would be interested in a group buy. If we can get enough members interested we can sell the first production run at a discounted price.
While I would be interested if the price was more in the mid 300 range, I generally am not huge on getting a trial run of a product. We all definitely appreciate you bringing this to us, so hopefully we can work something out. For $500, I would expect a fully functioning mirror replacement. Since we have to reuse our stock glass and such, and this isn't technically a bolt it and forget it item, I think the manufacturers might want to rethink their price point. Again, many thanks for bringing the product to us. How many people would you need for a group buy?
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Hmmm...$500 is a little steep.
That is actually less than a pair of decent 12 LED light bars much less a re-engineered setup that replaces your factory mirrors. If you are not in the market for LED off-road lights it may sound high but its actually a good deal.

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Are they street legal? I drive alot of rural country roads, I get hassled for minor tints i dont need more headaches from mall cops lol.
They are as street legal as any other "off-road" auxiliary light, you are not supposed to use them on the road but if you are on a rural road with no other traffic they could come in handy

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While I would be interested if the price was more in the mid 300 range,
The only way to get the price that low would be to use a low-quality LED. We are using high-end CREE (Made in the USA) LEDs, these have higher lumen-to-watt efficiency, longer lifetime, and overall better quality than overseas LEDs.
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Im interested in a group buy if the price is discounted, although you should make a video demonstration of this lighting kit.
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I'm new to LED's. One thing I'm concerned with is how you would replace an LED if one or more were to fail? And how easy is it to find a matching LED and how easy is it to replace?
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I'm new to LED's. One thing I'm concerned with is how you would replace an LED if one or more were to fail? And how easy is it to find a matching LED and how easy is it to replace?
If a LED was to fail (these LEDs are rated at 60,000 hours of continuous use) we would replace the entire mirror under warranty.
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I dont know how durable they would be in trail riding with snapping branches etc...but since you are the manufacturer, an idea to think about would be like a cool looking snap on removeable cage to go on the outside of the mirror to protect the LED's and frame of the $500 mirror. Just an idea :-)
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Does the power run through the factory door wire bundle? Essentially, how much more painful is it to remove the doors with these installed?

Also, if there is an option to put in auto-dimming side mirrors, even at extra cost, then I would buy a set.
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Does the power run through the factory door wire bundle? Essentially, how much more painful is it to remove the doors with these installed?

Also, if there is an option to put in auto-dimming side mirrors, even at extra cost, then I would buy a set.
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Does the power run through the factory door wire bundle? Essentially, how much more painful is it to remove the doors with these installed?

Also, if there is an option to put in auto-dimming side mirrors, even at extra cost, then I would buy a set.
Im sure you can run the wire down, along the OEM cloth protector, and have a quick connect right near the OEM quick connect to easily remove em. Yes, you would need to unclip an extra harness, but if we're honest, thats not a big deal. Maybe another 2 seconds per door.
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Im sure you can run the wire down, along the OEM cloth protector, and have a quick connect right near the OEM quick connect to easily remove em. Yes, you would need to unclip an extra harness, but if we're honest, thats not a big deal. Maybe another 2 seconds per door.
That could also depend on how and where they are powered and grounded. If they use the existing power and ground in the mirros (assuming you have power mirrors), then you may be only looking at one line (for the switch) for each door. If they need to be powred and grounded themselves, you are looking at three lines per door. Not a "huge" issue in the grand scheme of things....but it is just more wires to deal with and run.

I wonder if it is one or two power switches?

One thing is for sure....even if it just for peace of mind, I would be using security hinge bolts as opposed to leaving my hinge bolts out (like they are right now).
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I dont know how durable they would be in trail riding with snapping branches etc...but since you are the manufacturer, an idea to think about would be like a cool looking snap on removeable cage to go on the outside of the mirror to protect the LED's and frame of the $500 mirror. Just an idea :-)
We did consider this, good point. We decided to make the production parts from impact-resistant Polycarbonate rather than ABS like our prototypes. This durable PC material can withstand impact from branches, rocks, etc. We also fitted the lens with a metal guard that protects the PMMA lens and LED optics from similar impact and flying debris.

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Does the power run through the factory door wire bundle? Essentially, how much more painful is it to remove the doors with these installed?
Our suggestion would be to put quick connects if you anticipate removing your doors (you can also relocate the mirrors to the A-pillar to avoid this as well.) We will post a DIY for adding the quick-connects later on.

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Im sure you can run the wire down, along the OEM cloth protector, and have a quick connect right near the OEM quick connect to easily remove em. Yes, you would need to unclip an extra harness, but if we're honest, thats not a big deal. Maybe another 2 seconds per door.
You beat me to the quick-connect suggestion
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We did consider this, good point. We decided to make the production parts from impact-resistant Polycarbonate rather than ABS like our prototypes. The PC material can withstand impact from branches, rocks, etc. We also fitted the lens with a metal guard that protects the PMMA lens and LED optics from similar impact and flying debris. Here is an exploded view to show the rock guard: Our suggestion would be to put quick connects if you anticipate removing your doors (you can also relocate the mirrors to the A-pillar to avoid this as well.) We will post a DIY for adding the quick-connects later on. You beat me to the quick-connect suggestion
Love the design, truly. I do wish you guys used lexan instead of acrylic though. Acrylic scratches if you look at it wrong. I had an acrylic fish tank and it scratched just from people touching it.
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Love the design, truly. I do wish you guys used lexan instead of acrylic though. Acrylic scratches if you look at it wrong. I had an acrylic fish tank and it scratched just from people touching it.
The PMMA material is the same we use on all of our Off-Road light lenses and we have not had any issues with it scratching even under some rather extreme circumstances.
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If a LED was to fail (these LEDs are rated at 60,000 hours of continuous use) we would replace the entire mirror under warranty.
How long is the warranty?
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How long is the warranty?
The mirrors come with a 2 Year warranty.
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