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Old 11-02-2011, 05:48 PM   #1
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Poison Spyder DeFenders™ - "Tubeless" Jeep Fender Armor!



Poison Spyder raises the bar for Jeep fender armor—DeFender™s are the next evolutionary step beyond "tube fenders". CNC laser cutting and precision brake-forming yield a stronger, more functional, better-looking fender than the tired, out-dated tube fender design. DeFenders™ provide protection to your Jeep during hard core trail use as well as increased clearance for larger tires and suspension articulation. The wheel opening is approximately 4" wider than the stock Jeep fenders, and about 2-1/2" wider than old school tube fenders.



Solid, "Tubeless" Construction
DeFenders™ are fabricated entirely from CNC laser-cut, precision brake-formed 3/16" plate, either heavy duty P&O steel or lightweight 6061-T6 aluminum. Only one competitor manufactures a fender that's anything like the DeFender™—fabricated entirely of plate with no tubing—but their design leaves a vertical edge of the metal pointed downward, right at the tire. The DeFender™ has an extra "return", or lip along the underside of the fender, which provides better protection from cutting into a fully stuffed tire, while also lending extra strength to the outer edge of the fender, where it is most likely to come in contact with rocks, canyon walls, trees, etc.



DeFenders™ vs. "tube fenders"
DeFenders™ are not "tube fenders"—they're better! Much of the Jeep armor industry was built upon Poison Spyder's original Tube Fender design, which has been borrowed, copied, and in some cases even improved upon, by many of our competitors. But now the state of the art in Jeep fender armor takes a giant leap forward with the DeFender™ product line. Rather than tube, the outer edges of the DeFender™ are brake-formed into a rugged 3-sided rub rail.



Most "tube fenders" use a piece of .120" thick (just under 1/8") tubing as the outer edge rub rail, with 1/8" thick sheetmetal top plates. Compare that to the 3/16" (.188") thick material of the DeFender™ which is carried throughout its structure, from the outer rub rail surface to the top plates to the mounting structure. The DeFender™ is not only much stronger than a tube fender, it looks much better as well, with smooth flat surfaces that blend better with your Jeep's exterior appearance.



Increased Front Tire Clearance
Even on the non-highline version, the DeFender™ provides a much larger wheel opening than stock or some competitors' tube fenders. The back of the wheel opening, where larger tires tend to rub when the steering is at full-lock, is approximately 2˝" further back compared to typical tube fenders, and about 4" further back than the stock Jeep flares.



Multiple Flare Width Options
DeFenders™ are available in a variety of different fender widths to fit your needs and your style of four-wheeling. The "Negative Flare" closely hugs the hood line, sticking out just far enough to provide a mini-fender and space to mount the hood latch. Negative Flare DeFenders™ are designed for those who want maximum clearance for wheeling through tight obstacles.



"Zero Flare" matches the sheetmetal stock fender width without flares. That is, it continues straight forward from the Jeep's tub, like a stock Jeep with the flares removed. Zero Flare DeFenders™ are used by those who want the look and functionality of the stock fender dimensions, but with the increased clearance of running flareless.



For those who need to maintain tire coverage, the DeFenders™ with 3" Flares provide approximately the same tire coverage as the stock flares. These aren't just an added-on pieces—each DeFender™ is built from the ground up as a seamless, one-piece fender with integrated flare.

Steel or Aluminum?
DeFenders™ are available in either heavy duty steel or light weight aluminum (both 3/16" thick). We recommend steel for those Jeeps whose fenders are frequently in contact with the rocks. For those needing a great looking, light weight fender that's strong but not necessarily as hard core as the steel ones, aluminum is a great alternative.

Easy Access & Side Plate Options
Access holes in the side of the DeFender™ make it easy to access the area between the wheel well and the firewall during installation. After installation, these holes are covered with a choice of different side cover plates. For the simplest install, choose the DeFender™ Side Inserts, which fill the access holes in the side panels of the DeFender™. DeFender™ Side Inserts are CNC laser cut from 1/8" aluminum plate. The Spyder logo cut-out acts as an air vent to promote airflow through the engine bay. The Side Inserts are designed to bolt to the inside surface of the DeFender™, using the supplied stainless steel button head hardware. For those who want more substantial armor protection, the DeFender™ Full Length Side Plates extend from the fender flare rearward to the door opening, and from the top of the Rocker Knockers™ up to the hood line. These Full Length Side Plates also provide extra bracing for the DeFender™ against frontal impacts, helping to prevent buckling of the weaker, stock tub sheetmetal just rearward of the armored fender.



DeFender™ Full Length Side Plates are CNC laser cut from 3/16" 6061-T6 aluminum plate. Bolt holes are countersunk so that the supplied flat head stainless steel hardware lies flush with the plate's surface. The forward edge is cut to fit the enlarged wheel opening of Poison Spyder DeFenders™, while the lower edge is is cut to nest against Poison Spyder Rocker Knockers™ or Ricochet Rockers™ (NOTE: the angle of the forward edge of the Full Length Side Plates may not precisely align with the forward edge of older versions of Rocker Knockers™ and Ricochet Rockers™—newer, DeFender™-specific Rocker Knockers™ or Ricochet Rockers™ are designed to match the angle of this forward edge more closely). DeFender™ Side Inserts and DeFender™ Full Length Side Plates are sold separately (must be added to your cart as a separate item), so you may choose which one best matches your needs (select one or the other, but not both).



Retains Factory Inner Fenders
Why deal with the cost or hassle of replacing your existing inner fenders? DeFenders™ are designed to work with your Jeep's OE inner fenders, saving cost as well as the hassle of removal/installation/relocation of all of your under-hood gear.

TJ Battery Lift Bracket
All TJ/LJ versions of the DeFenders™ come with a custom bracket for lifting the stock battery tray higher, to provide the extra clearance necessary for the DeFender's™larger wheel opening. This bracket is CNC laser cut brake-formed and fixture-welded for an easy, clean installation.

Accepts Hi Intensity LED Marker Lamps
Replacing your Jeep's factory fenders also removes the factory side marker light formerly mounted in the fender flare. DeFender™ are designed with provisions for mounting a smaller, more discreet but high intensity 3/4" LED Marker Lamp. These lamps are available separately through Poison Spyder Customs, and are DOT approved for automotive use.

DeFenders™ are available now for TJ/LJ, in 3" Flare, Zero Flare, and Negative Flare versions, in both aluminum and steel. YJ and CJ versions are coming soon, and look for a Hi-Line version in a few months! Matching rear DeFender Flares will be available very soon, as either a weld-on retrofit for your existing corner armor, or already welded to your next set of Poison Spyder Crusher Corners.

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Old 11-02-2011, 05:56 PM   #2
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BTW, all variations of the new DeFenders are currently set at INTRODUCTORY PRICING, which is $100 off!

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I'm so sad, I thought that was for a JK! Look amazing!
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C,mon man, where's the straight on from the front shot? Very nice looking fenders, btw.
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Why the hell didn't you guys let me know these were coming out? haha. Now I gotta save up the mod fund again...
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any chance these will be made for a highlined hood?
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How difficult is the installation of these fenders?
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any chance these will be made for a highlined hood?
At the bottom of the first post :

"DeFenders™ are available now for TJ/LJ, in 3" Flare, Zero Flare, and Negative Flare versions, in both aluminum and steel. YJ and CJ versions are coming soon, and look for a Hi-Line version in a few months! Matching rear DeFender Flares will be available very soon, as either a weld-on retrofit for your existing corner armor, or already welded to your next set of Poison Spyder Crusher Corners."

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How difficult is the installation of these fenders?
I'll let you know when mine come in.

Seriously though, it will be easier than their regular tube fenders because you don't have to cut your current fender, just remove it. Reading the instructions for their tube fenders will give you a rough idea.

I ordered mine, couldn't pass up the discount.
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I'll let you know when mine come in.

Seriously though, it will be easier than their regular tube fenders because you don't have to cut your current fender, just remove it. Reading the instructions for their tube fenders will give you a rough idea.

I ordered mine, couldn't pass up the discount.
Oh you dog! Pics after the install, please
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Oh you dog! Pics after the install, please
I've been waiting, trying to decide what type flat fenders I wanted. I really like that these are a replacement. No cutting of the existing fenders. Now I can sell my existing ones. That and the discount clinched it. I will definitely post pics when its all installed.
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Retains Factory Inner Fenders
Why deal with the cost or hassle of replacing your existing inner fenders? DeFenders™ are designed to work with your Jeep's OE inner fenders, saving cost as well as the hassle of removal/installation/relocation of all of your under-hood gear.
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I've been waiting, trying to decide what type flat fenders I wanted. I really like that these are a replacement. No cutting of the existing fenders.
Sorry bud....still uses the factory inner. You have to cut the factory fender.
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Sorry bud....still uses the factory inner. You have to cut the factory fender.
Well, I shed a small tear at this. Oh well... I'm still getting cool flat fenders!
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C,mon man, where's the straight on from the front shot? Very nice looking fenders, btw.


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I'm so sad, I thought that was for a JK! Look amazing!
We can't build our JK Crusher Flares fast enough, so there's no need yet for a radical re-design of those. But our TJ-YJ-CJ Tube Fender design was getting a bit long in the tooth. Those were pretty much the original aftermarket tube fender. Frankly all of our competitors who's original tube fenders were based off of ours but were then improved upon, had surpassed our product on some of the features. So we decided to re-visit this category, and rather than just make a few tweaks to our old tube fenders to play catch-up, we thought we'd go completely back to the drawing board and come up with an entirely new design that addresses the main issues and intent of an armorized front fender, but with the more modern manufacturing methods available to us now. We realized that "tube fenders" were only designed originally because any small fab shop had a tube bender, and that was the easiest way to form an outer edge like that. But with machines like laser cutters, CNC press brakes, etc., we can now design and build a superior product.

As for the JK, I suspect that the next time we re-visit the design of our Crusher Flares, they will probably end up resembling these a little more. But with demand for them so high still, it may be a while before we start thinking that product needs a revamp.

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Yes we will release a hi-line version of it sometime in the next few months.

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It is very similar to the installation process for our old school tube fenders. In fact, if you want to check out the install instructions for those, it will give you a close idea of what it takes to put them on. There will be a couple of minor differences though. BTW, those who get the first few sets will probably receive instructions from our Tube Fenders, as I haven't had a chance to re-write them yet specifically for the DeFenders. So just note if you're the type who has to have perfect instructions, you might want to wait a couple weeks until I'm able to get some good photos of an install on a previously un-cut Jeep and re-write the procedures.

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I've been waiting, trying to decide what type flat fenders I wanted. I really like that these are a replacement. No cutting of the existing fenders. Now I can sell my existing ones. That and the discount clinched it. I will definitely post pics when its all installed.
Actually they do not include inner fenders, so you have to either re-use your factory inner fenders (as with our old Tube Fenders) or run without inner fenders (fab small brackets for some of those items and/or move them to the firewall). We've had a lot of feedback from people wanting a replacement inner fender so we will very likely offer one at some point in the future.
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Do you make a blank insert or do you have to have the logo cut one?
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Do you make a blank insert or do you have to have the logo cut one?
We've had a few requests for that so I'm relaying it to the boss for consideration. I'll suggest offering it blank or louvered. I'll post up here if we decide to do it.
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They look nice and I like the fact that the originals aren't hacked up. Can we get some weights on them? That info might sway my choice of steel vs. aluminum.

Here's my feature request. I'd love to wheel with zero flares, but I have to drive mine on the street as a daily driver. It'd be sweet if there was a way to have plastic/rubber/poly snapon extensions to fit on them that can be easily removed when you get offroad.
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They look nice and I like the fact that the originals aren't hacked up. Can we get some weights on them? That info might sway my choice of steel vs. aluminum.

Here's my feature request. I'd love to wheel with zero flares, but I have to drive mine on the street as a daily driver. It'd be sweet if there was a way to have plastic/rubber/poly snapon extensions to fit on them that can be easily removed when you get offroad.
I spoke without actually knowing. You still need to cut the originals (See above).
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I spoke without actually knowing. You still need to cut the originals (See above).
Not a big deal. Who actually puts stockers back on anyway.
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Here are the weights I have so far (old school tube fender weights given for comparison). This is for each side.

Old School PSC Tube Fender, 3" Flare: 32.2 lbs.
Steel DeFender with 3" Flare: 28.6 lbs.
Aluminum DeFender with 3" Flare: 10 lbs.

Old School PSC Tube Fender, No Flare: Don't have it handy, will get it tomorrow
Steel DeFender with Zero Flare: 18.4 lbs.
Aluminum DeFender with Zero Flare: 7 lbs.

Old School PSC Tube Fender with Negative Flare: dream on
Steel DeFender with Negative Flare: Don't have it handy, will get it tomorrow
Aluminum DeFender with Negative Flare: 6 lbs.
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Here are the weights I have so far (old school tube fender weights given for comparison). This is for each side.

Old School PSC Tube Fender, 3" Flare: 32.2 lbs.
Steel DeFender with 3" Flare: 28.6 lbs.
Aluminum DeFender with 3" Flare: 10 lbs.

Old School PSC Tube Fender, No Flare: Don't have it handy, will get it tomorrow
Steel DeFender with Zero Flare: 18.4 lbs.
Aluminum DeFender with Zero Flare: 7 lbs.

Old School PSC Tube Fender with Negative Flare: dream on
Steel DeFender with Negative Flare: Don't have it handy, will get it tomorrow
Aluminum DeFender with Negative Flare: 6 lbs.
Awesome! Wow! I was thinking about a 50% difference but almost one third! Decision made!

Thanks for the info.
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Not a big deal. Who actually puts stockers back on anyway.
Having never taken my Jeep body parts off, I assumed, since there were inner and outer parts to the front fender, they just bolted together and came apart easily. I'm guessing I was wrong.
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These Look awesome!!!! Can I put them on layaway please. HAHA
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Matching rear DeFender Flares are now available in steel, 3" width, for TJ and LJ. These are available already welded to a new set of Crusher Corners for TJ and LJ, with other models to follow (to correspond with the release of each model front DeFenders).



These rear DeFender Flares are of the same construction as the front DeFenders, fabricated entirely of 3/16" plate. They also have the fully-boxed lower corners.



They are also available by themselves, as a DIY weld-on DeFender Flare, to retrofit your existing Crusher Corners or other manufacturer's full corner armor.



A bolt-on version will be available at a later date.

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Click Here for LJ Crusher Corners with 3" DeFender Flares (Steel)
Click Here for weld-on 3" DeFender Flares (Steel)

Aluminum versions of each will be available soon.
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These Look awesome!!!! Can I put them on layaway please. HAHA
You might check with Krawl Off-Road, I think they have a lay-a-way program.
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Thanks to Anthony Fox for these shots. DeFenders with 3" Flares, painted to match body color:





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Thanks to John Grounds for these photos of his build, with 3" DeFenders up front with Full Length Side Plates, and Crusher Corners with 3" DeFender Flares in the rear. John's rig is also sporting our Rocker Knockers with sliders and BFH Front Bumper with Trail Stinger.









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i want though rear flares so bad!!! i'll wait for the bolt on's though.
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