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Old 08-07-2012, 12:46 PM   #61
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Just spoke to Chris on the phone and he was very helpful.

I'm going to put an order down for my 2013JKU later this afternoon!
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Old 08-16-2012, 01:58 PM   #62
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Spoke to Chris today- they are supposedly shipped as of yesterday!
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:06 PM   #63
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Why can't I find the bumper on your web site. How much is it now with shipping. A mid bumper with bull bar and winch mount shipped to 49341 zip code?
I love the weight of it for sure.
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Old 08-18-2012, 06:42 PM   #64
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Spoke to Chris today- they are supposedly shipped as of yesterday!
Pictures, pictues,!!
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:02 AM   #65
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OEM Bumper Removal Thread?

Anybody got a good source for a diy bumper removal replacement thread?

Wanna get a head start for when the new one comes.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:38 AM   #67
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will be doing this tonight
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:25 PM   #68
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will be doing this tonight
Let us know how long it takes to install and post pictures!
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:15 PM   #69
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Good install tutorial. First problem I encountered was the plastic/rubber phillips screws used to hold on the plastic bits. They just turn, but don't come out. Had to resort to chisel. Easy, just not elegant.
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Old 08-21-2012, 03:52 PM   #70
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Got the bumper installed last night. I had a fairly easy time removing the stock bumper. I strongly reccomend a 1/2 inch drive deep socket (#18 I believe), after getting the dust cover/fascia thingy off it was easy as pie.

The plastic screws on the airdam are a pain, I finally gave up on em and took a 1/4 inch drill bit and just blasted em out. It took me approx 30 minutes start to finish to get the bumper/airdam off by myself.

As far as the bumper itself- it came Fed Ex, and was listed at a total of 85 pounds, which included the mid-width bumper, bull bar, skid plate, and shackle brackets. Overall, after taking into account the 40 pounds of the stock bumper, I gave up a net of 120 pounds for the bumper set up and winch. (bumper weights about 80, winch weighs about 80, subtract 40 for removing stock bumper).

The bumpers fit and finish was fantastic. Looks great, and I have to admit it looks much, much better in person than it does in the pictures. Everything lined up as it was supposed to, and installation was very straight forward.

My only gripe was that the pieces came with bags of bolts, but no directions as to which bolts were for which pieces. It wasn't too difficult to figure out, but definitely slowed down the progress for a bit.

All in all, happy with the purchase, looks great and is very, very sturdy. Total time for installation should be about an hour, two tops.

I'll get some pics up when I can
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:15 PM   #71
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pics asap!

Was installing the new bumper as easy as bolting it directly back on? How good were the instructions?
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:29 PM   #72
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I think it would be real nice if someone getting this new bumper were to weigh each and every item with a scale. I suppose the bag of bolts/washers can be weighed as one unit

Chris stated 34 lbs for the mid-width bumper. Kurtz, you said about 80 lbs total. That means 46 lbs for bullbar, skid plate and shackle brackets? That's a lot ! ! !

Chris also stated that the OEM front bumper weights about 40 lbs. That's a lot for some plastic. Has anyone actually weighed the OEM front bumper?

I'm just asking so I can make a decision on this. I certainly don't mean to dog anyone out.

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Old 08-21-2012, 07:30 PM   #73
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had time to grab 2 real quick shots.... more inbound soon



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Old 08-21-2012, 07:34 PM   #74
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Hmm... that looks good. Can you get a full body shot?
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Old 08-21-2012, 11:04 PM   #75
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That's this one right here. The light tabs are built into the bull bar. You only need the optional light bracket listed if you run the stinger version or bare version.


^ I have been searching for the perfect bumper/stubby with a light bar. This looks awesome !
does this come with the skid plate ?
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I think it would be real nice if someone getting this new bumper were to weigh each and every item with a scale. I suppose the bag of bolts/washers can be weighed as one unit

Chris stated 34 lbs for the mid-width bumper. Kurtz, you said about 80 lbs total. That means 46 lbs for bullbar, skid plate and shackle brackets? That's a lot ! ! !

Chris also stated that the OEM front bumper weights about 40 lbs. That's a lot for some plastic. Has anyone actually weighed the OEM front bumper?

I'm just asking so I can make a decision on this. I certainly don't mean to dog anyone out.

THANKS ! ! !
No, it's not that heavy. Kurtz can tell you that the way this things are packed, they are fedEx/UPS/USPS whatever random shipper proof. Much of that weight is coming from the packaging, not from the bumpers themselves. Each part comes in a separate box as well, so I suppose the boxes and packaging adds up. The stock bumper is a bit more than just the plastic on the outside you see, so yep definitely around 40 lbs.

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Wow, that looks great!!!

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^ I have been searching for the perfect bumper/stubby with a light bar. This looks awesome !
does this come with the skid plate ?
The skid is an option. Cheap insurance for only $79.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:14 AM   #77
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Got my shorty with bull bar and skid plate last night.

Packed extremely well, it probably took me a good 30mins to get everything out of the packaging. Quality is real good, but, my only gripe is you can see 8 sections on the front of the bumper that's raised from the weld areas on the back.

No instructions came with the bumper, should be self explanatory (hopefully).

Also surprised that they have the LoD logos on them, I kinda liked it without it in the demo pictures.

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Old 08-24-2012, 08:02 AM   #78
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Got my shorty with bull bar and skid plate last night.

Packed extremely well, it probably took me a good 30mins to get everything out of the packaging. Quality is real good, but, my only gripe is you can see 8 sections on the front of the bumper that's raised from the weld areas on the back.

No instructions came with the bumper, should be self explanatory (hopefully).

Also surprised that they have the LoD logos on them, I kinda liked it without it in the demo pictures.

How do the fog lights mount in back? Are the bumpers drilled on the other side or are there captive nuts?
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:45 AM   #79
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How do the fog lights mount in back? Are the bumpers drilled on the other side or are there captive nuts?
I can't remember, sorry. I'll take a better pic of the back side when I get home.
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They have added that logo as a removable piece to address concerns of those running without a winch that can use a winch license plate mount. Without a winch, there would have been no place to mount a license plate in states that require a front plate, so as opposed to drilling two holes in the bumper and leaving it bare like that, they added the removable logo to cover the holes for those who don't need it. Just take her off like kurtz265 did.
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:26 AM   #81
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:06 PM   #82
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They have added that logo as a removable piece to address concerns of those running without a winch that can use a winch license plate mount. Without a winch, there would have been no place to mount a license plate in states that require a front plate, so as opposed to drilling two holes in the bumper and leaving it bare like that, they added the removable logo to cover the holes for those who don't need it. Just take her off like kurtz265 did.
Gotcha, unfortunately, I tried test fitting a VA license plate and if I mount it there, it'll overlap the fog lights.

I think I'm going to be creative and work something below the bumper/skid plate.
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How do the fog lights mount in back? Are the bumpers drilled on the other side or are there captive nuts?
Here are some photos





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Straight on shots installed? Anyone?
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Straight on shots installed? Anyone?
Got mine yesterday. Straightforward install with three glitches that should be remedied IMHO.

1. As shown in the photos above from SHYUperman the fog lights are mounted over machine screws attached to the bumper. Unfortunately, I had to drill my holes out in the fog light bracket to get them to fit (3/16" drill bit).



2. Bull bar attaches to top of bumper with four socket head machine screws and nuts. However, holes in the bumper are just slightly smaller than diameter of screw so washers are recommended. My kit only included four washers, so I got four more so the socket head screw and the nut on the back tighten against the washer, not the bumper. No biggie, just fits better.



3. Here's the biggest problem. As in Virginia (see post above) 30 other states require a front license plate. It would have been really aesy to separate the fog lights so a plate would fit between them. Unfortunately, now we'll have to fabricate our own mounts, either under the bumper on the skid plate or drill and tap some holes into the bumper to mount the plate between the fog lights. Only problem with mounting between the lights is that the plate covers up part of the light as shown below



This means 'trimming' the plate is necessary. Illegal in most states. Arggh!

Here's the full front on pic


Another issue is the position of the fog lights. Chrysler probably put them where they are in the OEM bumper for a reason (better lateral lighting in fog, would be my guess), so the narrower position in the LoD bumper might create a poorer lighting situation. Don't know, but liability could be a problem here. Better check it out.

Hey LoD, when version 2.0 of the bumper comes out, can I swap my version 1.0 prototype for one with the new wider fog light positions with the mounting holes already drilled and tapped for a license plate?
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Straight on shots installed? Anyone?
X2. How does it look from straight on?

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Got mine yesterday. Straightforward install with three glitches that should be remedied IMHO.

1. As shown in the photos above from SHYUperman the fog lights are mounted over machine screws attached to the bumper. Unfortunately, I had to drill my holes out in the fog light bracket to get them to fit (3/16" drill bit).



2. Bull bar attaches to top of bumper with four socket head machine screws and nuts. However, holes in the bumper are just slightly smaller than diameter of screw so washers are recommended. My kit only included four washers, so I got four more so the socket head screw and the nut on the back tighten against the washer, not the bumper. No biggie, just fits better.



3. Here's the biggest problem. As in Virginia (see post above) 30 other states require a front license plate. It would have been really aesy to separate the fog lights so a plate would fit between them. Unfortunately, now we'll have to fabricate our own mounts, either under the bumper on the skid plate or drill and tap some holes into the bumper to mount the plate between the fog lights. Only problem with mounting between the lights is that the plate covers up part of the light as shown below



This means 'trimming' the plate is necessary. Illegal in most states. Arggh!

Here's the full front on pic


Another issue is the position of the fog lights. Chrysler probably put them where they are in the OEM bumper for a reason (better lateral lighting in fog, would be my guess), so the narrower position in the LoD bumper might create a poorer lighting situation. Don't know, but liability could be a problem here. Better check it out.

Hey LoD, when version 2.0 of the bumper comes out, can I swap my version 1.0 prototype for one with the new wider fog light positions with the mounting holes already drilled and tapped for a license plate?
I think it looks great!
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armor lite with rigid lights

Did anyone pick up a mid width with rigid lights?
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Did anyone pick up a mid width with rigid lights?
or a stinger???
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I think it looks great!
It does. Huge improvement over OEM. Also, now the mud won't collect on the bumper 'wings'.

I think if I trim the plate all the way round it won't look like I cobbled it, too bad. Then, mount it between the lights with drilled and tapped bumper so I don't have to reach round behind to fix the nuts on. Bumper is thick enough that tapped holes should hold the plate ok.
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