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Old 09-16-2013, 04:10 PM   #91
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The video is in the first post of this thread. No one can show it to you. You have to click it to watch it yourself.
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Is premium fuel required after installing the Supercharger?
i use 93 octane

and you should see a boost in mpg
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i use 93 octane

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Why the higher octane, and why the improvement in MPG?
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Ripp stated they suggest at least 91 but you could get away with using regular if you don't beat on it. I use 93 as well , they said that's fine. If you spend 6k on this kit I don't see the point of not using premium fuel to have it run as good as its capable of.
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Ripp stated they suggest at least 91 but you could get away with using regular if you don't beat on it. I use 93 as well , they said that's fine. If you spend 6k on this kit I don't see the point of not using premium fuel to have it run as good as its capable of.
Sure, I was just wondering what the mechanical reasoning for using a higher octane was, and why it would have a positive impact upon MPG. I am a mechanical duffer who is giving very serious consideration to the RIPP supercharger and I want to know as much about it in the real world as I can before I go dropping six grand plus whatever it's going to cost in labour, drivetrain upgrades etc.
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i use 93 octane

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Does the supercharger come with that nice Diablo Trinity display I saw in your YouTube video of the 0 - 60 times?

The RIPP website says it comes with "Diablo Sport ECU Programing", but no mention of the actual unit.

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Sure, I was just wondering what the mechanical reasoning for using a higher octane was, and why it would have a positive impact upon MPG. I am a mechanical duffer who is giving very serious consideration to the RIPP supercharger and I want to know as much about it in the real world as I can before I go dropping six grand plus whatever it's going to cost in labour, drivetrain upgrades etc.
I'm no expert but I know the dumbed down reason is higher octane fuel seems to make slightly more power. Not sure if it burns slower and maybe that is the reason for small increase in mpg? I'm sure someone with more knowledge of this will jump in. Also yes the kit comes with the diablo sports tuner shown in pie face video.

When my c6 vette was supercharged it also had a meth injection kit that would spray when you are over 3lbs of boost. It was to protect the engine from detonation in case you got a bad tank of gas. Also it made a little more power by mixing with your gas for slightly higher octane rating.
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Is premium fuel required after installing the Supercharger?
My TRD supercharger in the Tundra requires 91 octane. I did not see an improvement in MPG, it remained about the same.......except for the first few weeks when I was lead-footing it quite a bit, then it was worse!
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The only place a Twisted Vane or any other roots style blower might best a true internal compression supercharger is in low speed torque. Say 2000 to 4000 rpm. Blasting up a sand hill a Vortec or Twin Screw will out power a roots all thing being equal. And for heat soak an air to air is going to be less likely to be affected than an air to water sitting in the valley. I've built some blown and turbo/ supercharged motors and the roots motors all fell short on peak power in comparison to the supercharged ones. Not trying to argue with you just too many comparison dyno tests out there saying the same thing.
Except you are driving in the 2000-4000 RPM range for 99.999% of your driving and "blasting up a sand hill" at 4+ the "rest" of the time.
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I'm no expert but I know the dumbed down reason is higher octane fuel seems to make slightly more power. Not sure if it burns slower and maybe that is the reason for small increase in mpg? I'm sure someone with more knowledge of this will jump in. Also yes the kit comes with the diablo sports tuner shown in pie face video.

When my c6 vette was supercharged it also had a meth injection kit that would spray when you are over 3lbs of boost. It was to protect the engine from detonation in case you got a bad tank of gas. Also it made a little more power by mixing with your gas for slightly higher octane rating.
Octane is a measure of resistance to detonation.

Increasing pressure inside the engine (via forcing more air in) causes the air/fuel to detonate more easily. Higher octane fuel helps prevent that detonation.

I'm not sure why the MPGs would go up. I'd only be speculating. I was under the impression that MPGs go down when you supercharge an engine. But if someone has one installed and their MPGs went up I have no reason to doubt them. I wonder if it has to do with not having to work the engine as hard in normal driving because that will make a big difference. Also, the engine tune may factor in as well. I'm running a Bully Dog on my stock engine and the economy tune did make a lot of difference.
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Octane is a measure of resistance to detonation.

Increasing pressure inside the engine (via forcing more air in) causes the air/fuel to detonate more easily. Higher octane fuel helps prevent that detonation.

I'm not sure why the MPGs would go up. I'd only be speculating. I was under the impression that MPGs go down when you supercharge an engine. But if someone has one installed and their MPGs went up I have no reason to doubt them. I wonder if it has to do with not having to work the engine as hard in normal driving because that will make a big difference. Also, the engine tune may factor in as well. I'm running a Bully Dog on my stock engine and the economy tune did make a lot of difference.
MPG's go up because the SC allows the engine to operate more efficiently.
The Supercharger is an airpump, pushing air into the engine, even when out of "boost", lessening the resistance on the top of the piston during intake stroke, allowing for a better transfer of energy to the crank and further on down the drive line. Also because there is a better flow of air into the motor ( Why some CAI make more power) there is no need to apply more fuel to the system (further pedal travel ) to maintain the same rate of moderate acceleration or consistent speed.
We also spin our supercharger slow in comparison to it's potential air flow capabilities. (The same Vortech V3 unit that we use can support 775 HP applications) This means that the parisitic loss at the crank measured at those highway cruising speeds is just a little more than the drag on your engine that your alternator adds.

It is quite a bit more complicated than this (thermal efficiencies, head flow, Fuel/timing scaling and the such) but that is the simplest way I can explain it.

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MPG's go up because the SC allows the engine to operate more efficiently.
The Supercharger is an airpump, pushing air into the engine, even when out of "boost", lessening the resistance on the top of the piston during intake stroke, allowing for a better transfer of energy to the crank and further on down the drive line. Also because there is a better flow of air into the motor ( Why some CAI make more power) there is no need to apply more fuel to the system (further pedal travel ) to maintain the same rate of moderate acceleration or consistent speed.
We also spin our supercharger slow in comparison to it's potential air flow capabilities. (The same Vortech V3 unit that we use can support 775 HP applications) This means that the parisitic loss at the crank measured at those highway cruising speeds is just a little more than the drag on your engine that your alternator adds.

It is quite a bit more complicated than this (thermal efficiencies, head flow, Fuel/timing scaling and the such) but that is the simplest way I can explain it.

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Agreed. Although apples to apple pie, when I turboed my s2000, I went from 21mpg to about 33mpg. The car has a MUCH easier time getting to and maintaining speed.
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An N/A engine traveling at a cruise rpm of 2500 in steady state mode might have a manifold pressure reading of - 10 to -15 inches of vacuum. This is due to the small throttle opening. That means the piston top is seeing a vacuum which the engine must overcome. This is called pumping loss. The power needed to inhale a fresh charge. While a good supercharger might show a -5 to a +1 at the same rpm. The increase in air flow is not a lot but the reduction in pumping loss is much greater than the power needed to provide the boost, thereby reducing the parasitic loss of power and providing a small boost in mileage.
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An N/A engine traveling at a cruise rpm of 2500 in steady state mode might have a manifold pressure reading of - 10 to -15 inches of vacuum. This is due to the small throttle opening. That means the piston top is seeing a vacuum which the engine must overcome. This is called pumping loss. The power needed to inhale a fresh charge. While a good supercharger might show a -5 to a +1 at the same rpm. The increase in air flow is not a lot but the reduction in pumping loss is much greater than the power needed to provide the boost, thereby reducing the parasitic loss of power and providing a small boost in mileage.
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Can a snorkel be connected to this system? How will it handle water fording?
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Can a snorkel be connected to this system? How will it handle water fording?
As of now we have no adaper for the snorkle for 3.6L. Best bet is buy flex tubing to mate the snorkel to the blower inlet.

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An N/A engine traveling at a cruise rpm of 2500 in steady state mode might have a manifold pressure reading of - 10 to -15 inches of vacuum. This is due to the small throttle opening. That means the piston top is seeing a vacuum which the engine must overcome. This is called pumping loss. The power needed to inhale a fresh charge. While a good supercharger might show a -5 to a +1 at the same rpm. The increase in air flow is not a lot but the reduction in pumping loss is much greater than the power needed to provide the boost, thereby reducing the parasitic loss of power and providing a small boost in mileage.
That makes a lot of sense.
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The idea of a dyno video is not of 1 that lasts 60 minutes long. We have over 3000 system sold at this point with all report similar HP gais to those that we advertise. If what we advertise was "misleading" or untruthful, wouldn't it have been here for all to see? We did not get the reputation of best power adder for your Jeep for nothing. If time permits, we may make another video. Don't hold your breath.

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You've yet to document any proof that your "gains" are not simply dyno queen gains and can be realized in real world driving, nor have you shown the "gains" being proven by a 3rd party. You have dodged the question thoroughly and relentlessly, just as a salesman should.

Good companies with good products are happy to provide documentation and proof. Why doesn't RIPP?

You've essentially got 2 choices:
1. Provide some actual proof that the "gains" claimed can be realized in real world driving; or
2. Continue to sell the snake oil.

I have no doubt that your superchargers provide some benefit, but I really think you ought to cut the bull and provide proof before you ask people to shell out their hard earned dough.

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lol. I just spent 20 minutes writing an articulate post complete with video in response.

but pickles is right.

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As of now we have no adaper for the snorkle for 3.6L. Best bet is buy flex tubing to mate the snorkel to the blower inlet.

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nor have you shown the "gains" being proven by a 3rd party.
Apart from the people on the thread who already have the RIPP supercharger installed and are attesting to its efficacy, you mean? Or are you suggesting that they're company shills for RIPP?
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Superchargers like this have been around and proving themselves for years. This is not snake oil.

The 3.6 Pentastar is just as subject to the performance gains that have been seen over and over again with this same supercharger application on Mustangs and Camaros. Anybody that doubts that the gains claimed here either has little experience in the world of high performance engine mods or they have some kind of bug up their exhaust pipe.

As far as spending the money for something like this... it's an enthusiast vehicle. Enthusiasts do stuff to put a smile on their face and that's all the reason they need.

450hp at the flywheel is about what I would expect from a properly tuned/street application Vortec on this motor and I can tell you that if you like acceleration, one of these would have you laughing out loud.
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lol. I just spent 20 minutes writing an articulate post complete with video in response.

but pickles is right.

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Looks like my reply disappeared (conspiracy theory?). For the sake of helping make sense of what's going on, I'll just say that I had replied with something along the lines of, "stop feeding the troll and he'll go away".
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I could so see this supercharger on my new Commando. I love speed. After the basics are done this is on the short list of Mods. I may have retired but I still love the rush.
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You've yet to document any proof that your "gains" are not simply dyno queen gains and can be realized in real world driving, nor have you shown the "gains" being proven by a 3rd party. You have dodged the question thoroughly and relentlessly, just as a salesman should.

Good companies with good products are happy to provide documentation and proof. Why doesn't RIPP?

You've essentially got 2 choices:
1. Provide some actual proof that the "gains" claimed can be realized in real world driving; or
2. Continue to sell the snake oil.

I have no doubt that your superchargers provide some benefit, but I really think you ought to cut the bull and provide proof before you ask people to shell out their hard earned dough.

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You've yet to document any proof that your "gains" are not simply dyno queen gains and can be realized in real world driving, nor have you shown the "gains" being proven by a 3rd party. You have dodged the question thoroughly and relentlessly, just as a salesman should.

Good companies with good products are happy to provide documentation and proof. Why doesn't RIPP?

You've essentially got 2 choices:
1. Provide some actual proof that the "gains" claimed can be realized in real world driving; or
2. Continue to sell the snake oil.

I have no doubt that your superchargers provide some benefit, but I really think you ought to cut the bull and provide proof before you ask people to shell out their hard earned dough.

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Hmm your being way nicer than I would have been. Great job of showing your above the bull. Snail superchargers by their very nature are usually hung out in a cooler air supply and are not nestled in the V of the engine. They suffer a lot less from heat soak than a roots or twin screw do. Some day someone will design a fluted or watercooled scroll and chill the unit down even more. Right now anyone worried could just put a Snow or other Meth injection unit on it and blow ice cubes.
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