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Old 10-17-2013, 11:50 AM   #31
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Also, the rigid pics are the 3W Dually leds. D2s come with 5W units, the same as on the Aurora pictured. The LEDs on the aurora unit are more powerful, hence the size difference. I just posted the pics so you can see the "quality" comparison.

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Also, the rigid pics are the 3W Dually leds. D2s come with 5W units, the same as on the Aurora pictured. The LEDs on the aurora unit are more powerful, hence the size difference. I just posted the pics so you can see the "quality" comparison.

hmm.. so similar with the exception that the rigid board is obviously built for single purpose, and the aurora board is used on several products depending on which parts are added/excluded before the wave soldering.

Is the breather hole sealed with goretex like lightforce lights?

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Where could 1 find these aurora lights from a reputable store.
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hmm.. so similar with the exception that the rigid board is obviously built for single purpose, and the aurora board is used on several products depending on which parts are added/excluded before the wave soldering.

Is the breather hole sealed with goretex like lightforce lights?
I honestly can't answer that. I can attest to the fact that they are completely water tight (full submersion) as well as freezer tight (frozen in water.)

The "screw" looking thing with the numbers is the breather.


I will trust your opinion in regards to the PCBs, you seem to know what you are looking at. I do know that Aurora makes their own circuit boards, so you may be entirely correct about the multiple product use (I know they produce other things besides offroad lighting, such as commercial lighting, military stuff, home, etc)

I have not taken my lights apart to that level, the above photos are from another forum Im on, from someone that took both lights completely apart.

If you are an electrical engineer (or someone who knows WTF this all means ) take a look at this page, and you tell us about it, since I don't understand this stuff beyond an amateur level.

http://www.szaurora.com/1.aspx?id=79
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thanks for the link. A few too many spelling mistakes on the website tells me english isn't their first language...I'm not saying that's good or bad, i'm just saying...

that hole must be covered with some sort of breathable membrane if it is 100% waterPROOF like you said. I thought about trying this on some of my older tech lights that have condensation problems. drill a hole out the back and silicone a piece of an old goretex jacket or goretex patch kit over the opening... I suspect I could fix some of it just by properly drying it in an oven and reassembling but i'm too lazy for that. I have better ways to squander my free time, like youtube. haha.
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thanks for the link. A few too many spelling mistakes on the website tells me english isn't their first language...I'm not saying that's good or bad, i'm just saying...

that hole must be covered with some sort of breathable membrane if it is 100% waterPROOF like you said. I thought about trying this on some of my older tech lights that have condensation problems. drill a hole out the back and silicone a piece of an old goretex jacket or goretex patch kit over the opening... I suspect I could fix some of it just by properly drying it in an oven and reassembling but i'm too lazy for that. I have better ways to squander my free time, like youtube. haha.
Im trying to find out exactly how these breathers work. My Omega Speedmaster day/date has no gaskets on the pushers and a helium escape valve....and yet it is waterproof



So I wonder if the "screw" itself does the sealing, but if pressure inside the light builds, then the breather lets the air escape, sealing it yet again.
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I don't believe your stories about the watch until i see it for myself. I'll pm my mailing address. I used to like the big multi dial divers but as i travelled more, i stumbled on the fact that my titanium watches go right through airport scanners. Originally i got them because theyre unique but now i enjoy them for the weight, they're as light as plastic watches. Whenever i wear a normal metal watch, they feel like bricks.
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If you can wait a few days, My business partner and I are talking with Aurora and trying to work out a deal with them as we speak. We are already a dealer for another light company but looking for more options to the customers. If you will send me a PM on here, I can keep your info and contact you when the agreements are settles. Thanks.
Just ordered some lights from them. Great price great warranty...
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Just ordered some lights from them. Great price great warranty...
From Aurora directly?
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From Aurora directly?


Nope from backwoodsboy129...
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Oh awesome. You'll love them. Which lights did you get?
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Here is a little video of the torture and testing on the lights!!Super Off Road Aurora LED Light bar - YouTube
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:24 AM   #44
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I just got this email from Aurora, which has their comparison test of the ARB lights vs the new Aurora Lights....judge for yourselves...ignore the laughable english.









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Any chance you can post your prices on the Aurora D2's here? Do yours include the same male/female connections and wiring harness I've seen elsewhere?
Thanks!
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Question for those that actually own both rigid and aurora (d2 type lights). I'm wanting to use the poison spyder brackets that they sell for 60 bucks to fit my new leds in the brawler light, factory fog holes. Will the aurora lights mount to this rigid bracket?


http://shop.poisonspyder.com/JK-Fog-...-dlyfogmnt.htm
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Question for those that actually own both rigid and aurora (d2 type lights). I'm wanting to use the poison spyder brackets that they sell for 60 bucks to fit my new leds in the brawler light, factory fog holes. Will the aurora lights mount to this rigid bracket?


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I am pretty sure they will. They are the same physically, and have screws at exactly the same locations except on the side. Im not sure exactly how the lights mount to these brackets, but you can take a look at my for sale thread I posted a while back and compare)...

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f14/aur...ts-266294.html
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Yeah they won't work then, video shows install.. Thanks though
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Circle bezel would mount to face fine, but sliding depth bracket wouldn't match up, rats
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I wouldn't use them in the fogs anyway. You'll blind everyone, not to mention, they are terrible for fog.
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I have a lot of questions for all of you:

First, for the new company, Southern Suicidal Lighting, selling Aurora products...
  1. Are you a vendor here on the Wrangler Forum?
  2. Are you selling American made products?
  3. I assume you're making custom paracord grab handles. How would you feel if I started selling Chinese made paracord grab handles just like yours at "amazingly cheap prices?"

And for all of you:
  1. Do you know anything about Aurora and the source of their designs?
  2. Do you know they've copied the Rigid Industries designs and Rigid Industries has been pursuing them legally?
  3. Do you know that every dollar you send to China is another dollar out of an American company and it affects their American workers?
  4. Do you think Chinese companies stealing American companies' product designs is OK?
  5. What value do you put on Rigid Industries' innovation?
  6. How much do you think it costs an American company to innovate?
  7. How much do you think it costs a Chinese company to steal an American company's innovations and designs?
  8. What value do you place on IP (Intellectual Property) and do you think it (IP = patents and proprietary designs, etc.) has value?
  9. How much innovation and IP do you think Chinese companies have?
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Im trying to find out exactly how these breathers work. My Omega Speedmaster day/date has no gaskets on the pushers and a helium escape valve....and yet it is waterproof

So I wonder if the "screw" itself does the sealing, but if pressure inside the light builds, then the breather lets the air escape, sealing it yet again.


Just curious - why would you spend the money on an Omega Speedmaster watch when you can get a Chinese knockoff for a lot less money?
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I have a lot of questions for all of you:

First, for the new company, Southern Suicidal Lighting, selling Aurora products...
  1. Are you a vendor here on the Wrangler Forum?
  2. Are you selling American made products?
  3. I assume you're making custom paracord grab handles. How would you feel if I started selling Chinese made paracord grab handles just like yours at "amazingly cheap prices?"

And for all of you:
  1. Do you know anything about Aurora and the source of their designs?
  2. Do you know they've copied the Rigid Industries designs and Rigid Industries has been pursuing them legally?
  3. Do you know that every dollar you send to China is another dollar out of an American company and it affects their American workers?
  4. Do you think Chinese companies stealing American companies' product designs is OK?
  5. What value do you put on Rigid Industries' innovation?
  6. How much do you think it costs an American company to innovate?
  7. How much do you think it costs a Chinese company to steal an American company's innovations and designs?
  8. What value do you place on IP (Intellectual Property) and do you think it (IP = patents and proprietary designs, etc.) has value?
  9. How much innovation and IP do you think Chinese companies have?
Let me tackle your comments one at a time...

1) Do you know how auto manufacturers produce cars? Yes, they copy one another.

2) Rigid was pursuing them legally because they have a patent on their optics and Auroras were too close to the Rigids, and have since been changed. Did you know Samsung was suing apple?

3) Sending money to China is a stupid argument and clearly from someone who doesn't understand global economics. Aurora circuit boards are made using a million dollar machine, which is built in the US by US well payed engineers. The US doesn't grow coffee because its not economically efficient for us to do so. Rigid Lights are all made in China as well, they are assembled in the US. Chinese companies provide a heap of jobs to Americans, and it's thanks to their US bond buying that your bank account is worth anything.

4) It is not an american company's product. Rigid did not invent offroad LED lighting, there were dozens on Chinese companies that made them first. Rigid was simply the first to mass market them in the US.

5) I am an end consumer. I don't care about anything but quality vs price. That is how products are marketed. I dont care about the fact that it might have taken Chrysler 6 years to develop the Pentastar, with 40 engineers and their families working 24 hours a day, and that 3 died on the job. I care about the fact that the heads tick.

4) Rigid doesn't make the housing, the circuit board, the screws, the LEDs, the lexan, the mount, or the powdercoat...what exactly was stolen?

5) IP matters to the end user when they aren't hurt. If consumers have to pay 100% more for a product that is the same, they don't care. Their wallet is more important than the companies wallet.

6) Actually they have a lot of innovation, just in some fields. Every country has their own specialty in the marketplace. Germans are known for overkill engineering. Americans are known for innovation, but not quality. Japanese are not known for innovation, but are known for perfecting a product. The Chinese are good at cost control. Yes a lot of things coming out of China are garbage, but lots of things are of good quality. China also has cheap labor, and thanks to our politicians, the US government chased out the low end labor elsewhere (which contributes to our unemployment numbers) and thats that.

This is how competition works. Rigid was the first. They had their prices set at a certain level when they first came out. Since then, 100 other companies flooded the US market, and rigid still didn't budge on their pricing. As a result, they are losing marketshare and fast. While many, myself included would pay a premium for a Rigid product, I am not going to pay 100% more for it, especially since the product is identical. Rigid moved into a new facility, paid off a lot of their R&D costs, became more efficient, etc, so prices SHOULD be dropping, but they are not. They spend a fortune sponsoring teams and such, and thats fine, but you cant expect customers to continue to pay for that.

As for your Speedmaster comment, when China can come out with a watch that is equal to the real thing, I may consider it.
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To bring us back on topic, and to further muddy the waters, KC now makes some of these 2x2 LED cubes too. Of course, they're $380. Ouch.
Featured Products « Kc Cube « KC HiLiTES: Auxiliary Lighting, Off Road Lights, HID Off Road Lights, Fog Lights, LED Light Bars, Driving Lights, Light Bars, Wiring Accessories, Flashlights, Torches
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To bring us back on topic, and to further muddy the waters, KC now makes some of these 2x2 LED cubes too. Of course, they're $380. Ouch.
Featured Products « Kc Cube « KC HiLiTES: Auxiliary Lighting, Off Road Lights, HID Off Road Lights, Fog Lights, LED Light Bars, Driving Lights, Light Bars, Wiring Accessories, Flashlights, Torches
Wanna take a guess where they're made
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Wanna take a guess where they're made
Ok ok ok ...I love guessing games! Umm same place 2014 JKU BRIGHT WHITE RUBICON's were made? Some parts from here other parts from over there and they were all put together some place...and you bought it because that's what you wanted regardless of the fact that not all the parts were made in the USA?
Am I right am I am I?????
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Found this too. Direct from manufacturer in Guangzhou, China. Price $1-19 each. Hanma brand. But minimum order is 18. Guess at least I'd have spares…
2012 NEW PRODUCT LED work light 16W CREE chip hot!!!, View led work light, Hanma Product Details from Guangzhou Hanma Electronic Technology Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com
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Yeah, they make them too. I have been contacted by that company as well about them wanting me to sell their products. The only thing that kinda worries me about theirs, is the specs on them. Their IP rating isn't as high. If this is a company you might be interested in buying as well, I can talk with them and see what kind of prices we can work out. But like you said, their minimum order is what is gonna play a big roll. Again, please give me reviews and advice on what ya'll(the customer), would like to see sold. i'm new to this small business thing and my main goal for my business is to have happy and pleased customers!
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I wouldn't use them in the fogs anyway. You'll blind everyone, not to mention, they are terrible for fog.
Appreciate it but the "fogs" are terrible for fog.. I'm not planning on running them with head on traffic, so for me the spots in the fog holes win

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