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Old 10-31-2013, 09:42 PM   #61
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I'd be kinda pissed if any of the beam patterns didn't blind everyone, that's what I want. A bright as hell jeep. They are all off-road use anyway, even the driving beam. Just cuz it's called a driving beam doesn't mean it's cool to run down the hwy with em on.

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You misunderstood what I was saying. I said I wouldn't run spots in the fog locations, they are too low to be effective spots, so I would run flood pattern down there. Thats one issue. The next issue is that I wouldn't run EITHER of them because they don't work in the fog (they make it worse) and they blind oncoming traffic. If you want to be able to see in fog, you want 3000K HIDs (ion yellow.) If you just want it to look good, then by all means.

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Despite common assumptions, the yellow color of fog lights does not improve visibility in fog. The belief that yellow fog lamps contribute to superior lighting in foggy conditions is based on a misinterpretation of physical laws about the behavior of light which hold that colors at the shorter wavelength end of the spectrum disperse more easily in interactions with small particles. Longer wavelength colors like yellow were thought to be less subject to this effect.“Yellow” fog lights are actually just filtered white lights. Since the filtering naturally reduces the emission of light, it does not boost its power to cut through mist.The use of yellow as a color for fog lights may have started because of a genuine misunderstanding about its ability to illuminate foggy roads. After that it may have simply become traditionally accepted. An alternate theory holds that yellow is associated with danger and indicates hazardous conditions. (I am a rocket scientist)
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I'm only stirring the pot, I don't have any desire for light designed to battle fog (fog light) and my spots work just great in stock holes. But I would recommend a flood in that location and spots up in the pillars (truth be told)
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Despite common assumptions, the yellow color of fog lights does not improve visibility in fog. The belief that yellow fog lamps contribute to superior lighting in foggy conditions is based on a misinterpretation of physical laws about the behavior of light which hold that colors at the shorter wavelength end of the spectrum disperse more easily in interactions with small particles. Longer wavelength colors like yellow were thought to be less subject to this effect.“Yellow” fog lights are actually just filtered white lights. Since the filtering naturally reduces the emission of light, it does not boost its power to cut through mist.The use of yellow as a color for fog lights may have started because of a genuine misunderstanding about its ability to illuminate foggy roads. After that it may have simply become traditionally accepted. An alternate theory holds that yellow is associated with danger and indicates hazardous conditions. (I am a rocket scientist)
Not to take away anything you said, but I have the three common/major colors of light on my rig...pure white (LED), slightly blue (HID) and yellow (3000K HID.) White light literally bounces right off the fog and back into your face, as well as blizzards and dust, so its worthless (and I have A LOT of white light on my rig.) The bluish light (headlights) is ok, but easily washes out in the rain (doesn't illuminate the road (you can probably explain why better than I can, probably the way it refracts/reflects from the wet road) and is again, severely impacted to nearly useless during a blizzard or a dustcloud. Finally the yellow....in super foggy conditions (talking as the driver now, not BEING seen, which im sure all of the above would do well) in the dark obviously, the yellow light definitely illuminates better than the rest. I have done this test many MANY times, including showing it live to fellow jeepers. White light is completely worthless in the fog. It basically makes it look like a white wall is in front of you. Dust clouds no lights help you see through, but the reason why most use amber lights for the rear is 1) legal reasons (cant have white light on the back of your vehicle other than reverse lights) and 2) it doesn't blind your buddy following you. In a blizzard, again, my experience tells me otherwise. It doesn't bounce back in your face like the other two colors do, and helps you see the road a lot better. Now, fully disclosure, I am NOT a rocket scientist, so I can't explain why any of this happens. What I do know is that explanations like yours leave out one critical element...the human eye. I personally cannot explain how the physics of light interact with the biology of the rods and cones in our eyes, but I will maintain that yellow light is effective in foul weather, as I have seen it (no pun intended) with my own two eyes on MANY MANY occasions. I fully respect your position, and most certainly appreciate the explanation, but I can't deny what I have personally seen. I would love to take a rocket scientist on a ride along so we can take a ride through these conditions and with all the lighting scenarios and try to come up with an explanation. Again, I am NOT saying that you are incorrect, I would be a fool to argue with someone with your knowledge...Im simply stating what I have personally experienced, nothing more.
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I'm only stirring the pot, I don't have any desire for light designed to battle fog (fog light) and my spots work just great in stock holes. But I would recommend a flood in that location and spots up in the pillars (truth be told)
The problem with spots down low on the trail is that they don't fan out past one maybe 2 lanes worth, and if you are driving in an area with minor crests Im taking 24" crests) then the spots will just slam into the crest and not be useful. I fully agree with the other comment. Floods go down low, spots go up high, and driving beams in the middle. That is the best recipe IMHO for good lighting.
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Oh and since you are indeed a scientist, maybe this can lead to something...photographers often use yellow filters to add contrast to a photo. Also, many sun glasses have a yellow tint added to the lens to accomplish the same thing. Any thoughts as to how this plays with yellow lights?
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I also thought this was an interesting read....

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So, why do yellow fog lamps seem to work better? It's because of the way the human eye interacts with different colors of light. Blue and violet are very difficult for the human optical system to process correctly. They are the shortest visible wavelengths and tend to focus in front of our eyes' retinae, rather than upon it. To demonstrate this to yourself, find a dark blue store front sign or something else that's a dark, pure blue against a dark background in the absence of white light—from any appreciable distance, it's almost impossible for your eyes to see the blue lighted object as a sharply defined form;the edges blur significantly. Deep blue runway lights exhibit the same effect; check it out the next time you land at night.
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Your talking about two different things, three actually. Not saying certain colors don't have more perceived contrast. We were talking about the relationship between colored lights and fog....


Have you seen ads proclaiming that yellow-tint sunglasses will help you see better at night? Don't believe them. The Sunglass Association of America says that yellow-lens glasses sold for night driving only make you think you see better.

The thought behind these glasses is that they might enhance contrast, helping you to distinguish objects in the dark. In reality, these hokey glasses actually cut down on the amount of light you can see. The smart choice is to use prescription glasses that have an anti-reflective coating, which keeps light from bouncing around inside your lenses. And as a bonus, these glasses have been shown to allow more light in.

Even if you're on an '80s music kick, it's best to avoid sunglasses at night—or any glasses, if you don't need them for vision correction. The sunglass industry folks say you'll see the most light without glasses—antireflective coated or not.
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Can we get back on topic here.....
Rigid lights are great, they aren't cheap.

Aurora lights are great, they aren't expensive.
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Your talking about two different things, three actually. Not saying certain colors don't have more perceived contrast. We were talking about the relationship between colored lights and fog....


Have you seen ads proclaiming that yellow-tint sunglasses will help you see better at night? Don't believe them. The Sunglass Association of America says that yellow-lens glasses sold for night driving only make you think you see better.

The thought behind these glasses is that they might enhance contrast, helping you to distinguish objects in the dark. In reality, these hokey glasses actually cut down on the amount of light you can see. The smart choice is to use prescription glasses that have an anti-reflective coating, which keeps light from bouncing around inside your lenses. And as a bonus, these glasses have been shown to allow more light in.

Even if you're on an '80s music kick, it's best to avoid sunglasses at night—or any glasses, if you don't need them for vision correction. The sunglass industry folks say you'll see the most light without glasses—antireflective coated or not.
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Congrats Russell!
Keep your ass down over there! Guys I bought some HIDS from Russell, Very professional, great communication very good pricing and fast shipping too!
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Good news, my website is finally accepted and now under construction. As soon as I have a conformation on my domain, I will post it on here and have it under my signature! Also, I haven't forgot about the whole reasoning behind this thread either, as I business owner in the LED light industry, I fill I should have all the answers if not most of them for you guys. So I'm busting my butt with what little spare time I have in this big "sandbox" to do my research and find out what company offers what and who has the best deal so I can beat it! Hope all is well with you guys. Please, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me on here or shoot me a PM. Thanks again.
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Good news, my website is finally accepted and now under construction. As soon as I have a conformation on my domain, I will post it on here and have it under my signature! Also, I haven't forgot about the whole reasoning behind this thread either, as I business owner in the LED light industry, I fill I should have all the answers if not most of them for you guys. So I'm busting my butt with what little spare time I have in this big "sandbox" to do my research and find out what company offers what and who has the best deal so I can beat it! Hope all is well with you guys. Please, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me on here or shoot me a PM. Thanks again.

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Didn't expect to get this much feedback on my thread i made a long while back haha... However, i am a huge fan of my auroras, so huge that i just ordered a 10 inch, driving beam 2 inchers, and another set of spots... Auroras>rigids all because of price (literally the same damn light)
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(literally the same damn light)

That's the Chinese for you - copy American companies' products, sell them for a lot less and take our money and our jobs.
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That's the Chinese for you - copy American companies' products, sell them for a lot less and take our money and our jobs.
Hahaha, such an illogical comment. Maybe you should research where rigid or other American LEDs components come from first genius.
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As Rob said:
"Can we get back on topic here.....
Rigid lights are great, they aren't cheap.
Aurora lights are great, they aren't expensive."

I also found this site that sells the Hanma ones…
- Electronic digital products and spare parts accessories wholesale goodluckbuy.com
Amazon still seems to be the best deal, though.
Anyone else got the Auroras or Hanmas on their rigs? Pics, anyone?
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On my TJ - Hanma 50", 13.5", 2x3 3"




On my F-250 - Hanma 21.5", soon to have 50" and flush mount rear duallys

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On my TJ - Hanma 50", 13.5", 2x3 3" On my F-250 - Hanma 21.5", soon to have 50" and flush mount rear duallys
How do you like the hanma's? I'm in contact with that manufacturer directly as well about possibly selling them too. They seem to be a little more able to fit in people's budgets.
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Hahaha, such an illogical comment. Maybe you should research where rigid or other American LEDs components come from first genius.
Hey genius - already been through this.

The facts:

* Rigid Industries has been an innovator and pioneered numerous LED technologies for off road applications

* Innovation and American manufacturing and assembly of components is expensive

* The Chinese typically do not innovate nor do they respect any other company's IP (Intellectual Property)

* The Chinese (like Aurora) COPY products. They've copied Rigid Industries designs and sell them for a lot less. No cost for design just manufacturing.

* Buying from Chinese companies instead of American companies sends dollars to China, makes China and its companies stronger, reduces the value of American companies' innovations and ultimately can cause American companies to lose business and Americans to lose their jobs.

* People can talk all they want about value and purchase prices and "money talks," etc., etc. When you lose your job because your company's designs and technology was ripped off by China and Americans rush to buy from these Chinese companies maybe you'll feel differently.

It's a nice idea to talk about competition but this isn't a level field we're playing on. Happy shopping this holiday season!

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Hahaha, such an illogical comment. Maybe you should research where rigid or other American LEDs components come from first genius.
And yeah, I know where most LED engines are manufactured. But that's the boards. There are other components besides those - things like optics and all the other items that go into making lights durable (with warranties that work).

If you're going to take shots at me why don't you tell us about ALL the components of Rigid's and Aurora's lights and where they are made? And while you're at it, tell us all about how many Americans are working for Aurora! (ZERO. Genius.)

You're in Virginia. Do you happen to work for the federal government?
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Hey genius - already been through this. The facts: * Rigid Industries has been an innovator and pioneered numerous LED technologies for off road applications * Innovation and American manufacturing and assembly of components is expensive * The Chinese typically do not innovate nor do they respect any other company's IP (Intellectual Property) * The Chinese (like Aurora) COPY products. They've copied Rigid Industries designs and sell them for a lot less. No cost for design just manufacturing. * Buying from Chinese companies instead of American companies sends dollars to China, makes China and its companies stronger, reduces the value of American companies' innovations and ultimately can cause American companies to lose business and Americans to lose their jobs. * People can talk all they want about value and purchase prices and "money talks," etc., etc. When you lose your job because your company's designs and technology was ripped off by China and Americans rush to buy from these Chinese companies maybe you'll feel differently. It's a nice idea to talk about competition but this isn't a level field we're playing on. Happy shopping this holiday season! (Whatever happened to buying American?)
Hey genius! How many parts from YOUR 2014 Rubi were made in CHINA? Then assembled here in the US? But it's alright for you to buy from Chinese manufactures but not everyone else?? Why didn't you buy a Vehicle that was completely made in the US? Try Googling: Global economics!
We get it...you have a hard on for Rigid! But the fact IS that Ridged's prices do NOT reflect the competition that is out there..AND if they did.more people WOULD buy Rigid products over the Chinese competition! But unfortunately they (rigid) along with a lot of American companies don't seem to understand if you're costs don't reflect a competitive price for consumers then the consumer will search for a more competitive price on their own!

As a Combat Veteran I support my Country! I try and buy American whenever I can and I believe that is true of all of us here! The fact is there is a Global Economy...and that also benefits everyone! China also understands this...they understand another World War or threats of attack like those that came from N. Korea threaten THEIR economy just as much as ours! That's why they keep countries like N Korea in line which benefits all of us! My guess is that as Chinese workers benefit from this world economy that will eventually also demand higher wages, just like American workers did, and this will raise the prices coming out of China...which will in turn create more global competition! Thereby creating jobs in another country, will it be ours? Have we learned anything from our past? Will the American worker be able to benefit from the changes on the global horizon?? I sure hope so!
My guess is your Jeep, phone, computer, work place, home all have Chinese made products that were patent infringements to some degree...but YOU bought them anyway because you chose not to find alternatives or found it a good value regardless of these infringements! So get off your high horse and contribute something useful or just be quiet!
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Hey genius! How many parts from YOUR 2014 Rubi were made in CHINA? Then assembled here in the US? But it's alright for you to buy from Chinese manufactures but not everyone else?? Why didn't you buy a Vehicle that was completely made in the US? Try Googling: Global economics!
We get it...you have a hard on for Rigid! But the fact IS that Ridged's prices do NOT reflect the competition that is out there..AND if they did.more people WOULD buy Rigid products over the Chinese competition! But unfortunately they (rigid) along with a lot of American companies don't seem to understand if you're costs don't reflect a competitive price for consumers then the consumer will search for a more competitive price on their own!

As a Combat Veteran I support my Country! I try and buy American whenever I can and I believe that is true of all of us here! The fact is there is a Global Economy...and that also benefits everyone! China also understands this...they understand another World War or threats of attack like those that came from N. Korea threaten THEIR economy just as much as ours! That's why they keep countries like N Korea in line which benefits all of us! My guess is that as Chinese workers benefit from this world economy that will eventually also demand higher wages, just like American workers did, and this will raise the prices coming out of China...which will in turn create more global competition! Thereby creating jobs in another country, will it be ours? Have we learned anything from our past? Will the American worker be able to benefit from the changes on the global horizon?? I sure hope so!
My guess is your Jeep, phone, computer, work place, home all have Chinese made products that were patent infringements to some degree...but YOU bought them anyway because you chose not to find alternatives or found it a good value regardless of these infringements! So get off your high horse and contribute something useful or just be quiet!
I agree, but there are so many people in the usa who don't understand how global economy works. I am also military and have seen the world, and realize that buying usa is important but it will NOT fix our economics issue. Anyways, this is more of a debate that belongs in college and not necessarily a jeep forum
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How do you like the hanma's? I'm in contact with that manufacturer directly as well about possibly selling them too. They seem to be a little more able to fit in people's budgets.
I am very happy with them. I have been selling them for several months now, and you are right, they do fit in most people's budgets better than Aurora and Rigid.

From what I experience in my area, the market is so flooded with light bars that you would have a hard time selling anything more expensive, even if they are a higher quality Aurora. People have latched on to the fact that you can get these things very inexpensively and they out perform any light they have ever had....so why pay any more?

On the other side of that, anyone with a few extra thousand dollars can order a couple cases of lights and double their investment when they sell them all. Because of that, the competition is crazy and I have even lowered my prices just to stay competitive.

If you look closely, most of these companies you see starting to sell light bars are selling Hanma lights with their own name - 'black box logistics' 'xtreme led' 'bean led' 'tiger led' 'viper led' - you get the point. The companies I am talking about are LED dealers...there are some on this forum and others, as well as local outfits (I am one).
Because of the good overall quality, high performance, and lower price point, as you look around you will see why Hanma is actually the best selling import brand.

Also take notice that Hanma is an OEM manufacturer for KC HiLites, Hella, Peg Perego, Volvo, and a list of others.
KC below for example.
If you order enough, they will etch your brand name on them, powdercoat them whatever color you want, add plugs, and sell you harnesses. You have to make substantial investments to get those options though.


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Thanks for keeping us on topic, and for the great pics, Patrick.
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So get off your high horse and contribute something useful or just be quiet!
Perfect! Thank you for stating that. Crusade against the Chinese manufacturers someplace else, please.

Now...keeping on topic.

Has anyone any information on an equivalent 5" Black Box logistics light? (Black Box Logistics - RX Series)

I'm wondering if they (BBL) are the only ones carrying them at the moment.
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