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Old 08-06-2013, 07:03 PM   #1
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Help with hidprojector set up?

I got on hidprojector.com and was trying to find some nice headlights. Well the thing is not sure what everything is and what it mean. Would like some help setting something up.
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I got on hidprojector.com and was trying to find some nice headlights. Well the thing is not sure what everything is and what it mean. Would like some help setting something up.
Ok, lets break the terms down a bit...

2012 HIDProjectors

These are the headlights you are looking to get.

Ballasts are what power the bulbs. I personally prefer the 55W ones. They are brighter and whiter. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade.

Shrouds are the things that go around the projector itself. If you look at this gallery, you will see various versions...clubman, panemera, gattling gun, etc.

2012-2013 HID Projectors

Harness...this is the wiring kit you need to make sure the headlights don't flicker and function correctly. The JK uses H13.

Bulb temp....with 55W ballasts, I recommend 6000K bulbs. They will be white with a slight hint on blue at a certain angle.

Halos are the big rings on the outermost edge of the headlight that glow.

Paint color is the color you want your housing and your shroud. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think all shrouds can be painted. You will need to email Tom and ask him.

If you have any other questions, fire away.

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Okay thanks ill check into it more later tonight. When I get some time at work. I think they look so cool and want some. Are they pretty much a plug n play. I'll get back with you more on any issues
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So, not to hijack the thread, but will the lights function as the stock lights do? (Bright/dimming function). What are the different kinds of shrouds mean? Hopefully, these questions will help the OP also.

One last question....how hard is this project?

Thanks!!

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So, not to hijack the thread, but will the lights function as the stock lights do? (Bright/dimming function). What are the different kinds of shrouds mean? Hopefully, these questions will help the OP also.

One last question....how hard is this project?

Thanks!!

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It is a completely plug and play project. You only need to connect two wires to the battery from the harness (the positive and negative)....the rest just plugs right in. The headlights remove with 4 screws once you remove the grill, which is just held in by a few clips.

They function the same way as OEM lights (not sure what you mean by dimming).

The shrouds are the decorative pieces around the projector, and come in various styles.

Gattling gun


Porsche Panamera Style


Mini Clubman style


etc
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He is asking about the hi/low function of them I believe and if it still works...
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He is asking about the hi/low function of them I believe and if it still works...
Yes. Its still just one bulb. The high/low is controlled by light shields. On lowbeam, they are up, providing the nice cutoff everyone likes. When you turn high beams on, the shield drops and all the light is let out of the projector, basically doubling the beam's output.
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Wow, some of those are freakishly eyeball-like. The mini gatling (standard) look the most understated.

What type of shrouds do you have, Dave? Are they painted? Shrouds, housings, or both?

I may be a little bit off for this type of expensive mod, but doing my homework ahead.
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Wow, some of those are freakishly eyeball-like. The mini gatling (standard) look the most understated.

What type of shrouds do you have, Dave? Are they painted? Shrouds, housings, or both?

I may be a little bit off for this type of expensive mod, but doing my homework ahead.
I don't have those exact lights from that company, but mine are similar and it was a DIY project of mine. I used shrouds called "Apollo 2.0" from theretrofitsource.com. I think it turned out pretty well, enough flashy that you know they're aftermarket, but not "hey look at me" flashy.



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Looks great. Still has the classic look but with modern function. Bravo sir. How did you bake the lights? On a wet towel? What temp? How long? What did you use to reseal them?
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Then there's this from the HID website:

"This kit is not DOT approved. For off-road use only."


Not street legal?


ETA: nevermind, saw you address this in another thread.
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Wow, some of those are freakishly eyeball-like. The mini gatling (standard) look the most understated.

What type of shrouds do you have, Dave? Are they painted? Shrouds, housings, or both?

I may be a little bit off for this type of expensive mod, but doing my homework ahead.
I have the gattling gun painted satin black. My housings are also satin black. I have a "barebones" version. No fancy LEDs or anything like that.
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Then there's this from the HID website:

"This kit is not DOT approved. For off-road use only."


Not street legal?


ETA: nevermind, saw you address this in another thread.
Yea, they are technically not road legal, but any cop hassling you will be sadly disappointed to see a DOT stamp right on the housings. Furthermore, you will never be hassled because these have the most controlled light output of any headlight on the market, including the OEM DOT approved crap.
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I have the gattling gun painted satin black. My housings are also satin black. I have a "barebones" version. No fancy LEDs or anything like that.
Amy pics?
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I have the gattling gun painted satin black. My housings are also satin black. I have a "barebones" version. No fancy LEDs or anything like that.

Thanks!
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Looks great. Still has the classic look but with modern function. Bravo sir. How did you bake the lights? On a wet towel? What temp? How long? What did you use to reseal them?
Thanks. I baked them in a small cardboard box that held the light vertically (like how it mounts on the jeep) and baked them at 265F (below the ignition temp of cardboard, apparently) for 7-8 mins. Then used a towel and screw drivers to peel the front off. To reseal them I used head light glue that you can buy by the roll, then rebaked it and put pressure on the lense after it was hot. The glue I replaced it with is so much more tacky than the OEM glue, it's probably more water proof now than before lol.

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Yea, they are technically not road legal, but any cop hassling you will be sadly disappointed to see a DOT stamp right on the housings. Furthermore, you will never be hassled because these have the most controlled light output of any headlight on the market, including the OEM DOT approved crap.
Truth ^ I can just point to the DOT approved marking on mine
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Looks real nice. I think I want to do this but I'm afraid I'd mess up haha

Is it hard to make the hole in the headlight housing where the projector mounts?
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Looks real nice. I think I want to do this but I'm afraid I'd mess up haha

Is it hard to make the hole in the headlight housing where the projector mounts?
You don't make any holes. You use the stock hole the factory bulb goes through. It is secured with a washer and nut.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pdf...r_Hardware.pdf
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Thanks. I baked them in a small cardboard box that held the light vertically (like how it mounts on the jeep) and baked them at 265F (below the ignition temp of cardboard, apparently) for 7-8 mins. Then used a towel and screw drivers to peel the front off. To reseal them I used head light glue that you can buy by the roll, then rebaked it and put pressure on the lense after it was hot. The glue I replaced it with is so much more tacky than the OEM glue, it's probably more water proof now than before lol.



Truth ^ I can just point to the DOT approved marking on mine
Awesome. Many seal them back with silicone but headlight glue is the right way to go.
For those doing it yourselves, here is what he is talking about.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...roducts_id=792

For others reading this, to get an awesome seal with the above mentioned method...

1) Put on your glue, and put the cover lens back on.
2) Place a damp (use cold water) dish cloth folder over a few times for padding over the cover.
3) Put a square (4x4") of hard material (a scrap piece of board works) over the towel
4) Lightly clamp everything together (very lightly, just so the clamp is snug.) use an all metal clamp.
5) Bake for 4-5 minutes
6) After 4-5 minutes, give the clamp one more twist (to account for the glue melting) but don't overdo it (don't want to crack the cover)...
7) Bake for another 2-3 minutes.

Remove from oven, let cool. Done.
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Looks real nice. I think I want to do this but I'm afraid I'd mess up haha

Is it hard to make the hole in the headlight housing where the projector mounts?
Eh.... It's not easy that's for sure. It just takes time and patience with a dremel tool to get it right.

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You don't make any holes. You use the stock hole the factory bulb goes through. It is secured with a washer and nut.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pdf...r_Hardware.pdf
Actually, the H1s are too long to bolt up like they're supposed to. Or the JK housing is too short rather. They'd protrude around 1.5-2" out of the lense if you try and mount them that way. It was probably the hardest part of my install.

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Ok 1 says no cutting, the other posts pictures of a huge hole and a small projector haha

So which is it?
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Eh.... It's not easy that's for sure. It just takes time and patience with a dremel tool to get it right.



Actually, the H1s are too long to bolt up like they're supposed to. Or the JK housing is too short rather. They'd protrude around 1.5-2" out of the lense if you try and mount them that way. It was probably the hardest part of my install.

Pics:


HIDProjectors do not use the stock H13 housing. It uses H4 housings from autopal with the lens from the stock housing which has a larger dome shape, it can fit a mini h1 projector with no cutting.

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Ok 1 says no cutting, the other posts pictures of a huge hole and a small projector haha

So which is it?
He is assuming the HIDProjectors builder uses the stock lamp. Its a different lamp that can fit a morimoto mini H1 type projector without cutting it. THe magic is that it combines the housing from one lamp and the plastic lens of the stock lamp, turning out as a much larger lamp that can fit the projector without cutting.

If you want to DIY, this are the housings on amazon, and the projectors are similar to the morimoto minis h1, just no brand, like this. You can probably get the parts cheaper from HIDProjectors considering he probably buys at wholesale prices. I believe his projectors are cheaper than the morimoto minis and are the same thing.

You would basically need to take open up the stock lamps, take the plastic lens, open up the autopals, install the projector, and seal the stock lens to the new autopals.
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HIDProjectors do not use the stock H13 housing. It uses H4 housings from autopal with the lens from the stock housing which has a larger dome shape, it can fit a mini h1 projector with no cutting.

He is assuming the HIDProjectors builder uses the stock lamp. Its a different lamp that can fit a morimoto mini H1 type projector without cutting it. THe magic is that it combines the housing from one lamp and the plastic lens of the stock lamp, turning out as a much larger lamp that can fit the projector without cutting.

If you want to DIY, this are the housings on amazon, and the projectors are similar to the morimoto minis h1, just no brand, like this. You can probably get the parts cheaper from HIDProjectors considering he probably buys at wholesale prices. I believe his projectors are cheaper than the morimoto minis and are the same thing.

You would basically need to take open up the stock lamps, take the plastic lens, open up the autopals, install the projector, and seal the stock lens to the new autopals.
Got it. So since I have glass lenses because I have a 2006 and my H4 upgrades are glass, I'd need to buy stock replacements for a jk, those autopal housings, and the projectors?
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Got it. So since I have glass lenses because I have a 2006 and my H4 upgrades are glass, I'd need to buy stock replacements for a jk, those autopal housings, and the projectors?
Yes. The OEM replacement can be from depo or eagle eyes, not necessarily the 120 per lamp ones from the dealership.
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HIDProjectors do not use the stock H13 housing. It uses H4 housings from autopal with the lens from the stock housing which has a larger dome shape, it can fit a mini h1 projector with no cutting.


He is assuming the HIDProjectors builder uses the stock lamp. Its a different lamp that can fit a morimoto mini H1 type projector without cutting it. THe magic is that it combines the housing from one lamp and the plastic lens of the stock lamp, turning out as a much larger lamp that can fit the projector without cutting.

If you want to DIY, this are the housings on amazon, and the projectors are similar to the morimoto minis h1, just no brand, like this. You can probably get the parts cheaper from HIDProjectors considering he probably buys at wholesale prices. I believe his projectors are cheaper than the morimoto minis and are the same thing.

You would basically need to take open up the stock lamps, take the plastic lens, open up the autopals, install the projector, and seal the stock lens to the new autopals.
Nice clarification. I guess we were talking about two different housings.
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HIDProjectors do not use the stock H13 housing. It uses H4 housings from autopal with the lens from the stock housing which has a larger dome shape, it can fit a mini h1 projector with no cutting.

He is assuming the HIDProjectors builder uses the stock lamp. Its a different lamp that can fit a morimoto mini H1 type projector without cutting it. THe magic is that it combines the housing from one lamp and the plastic lens of the stock lamp, turning out as a much larger lamp that can fit the projector without cutting.

If you want to DIY, this are the housings on amazon, and the projectors are similar to the morimoto minis h1, just no brand, like this. You can probably get the parts cheaper from HIDProjectors considering he probably buys at wholesale prices. I believe his projectors are cheaper than the morimoto minis and are the same thing.

You would basically need to take open up the stock lamps, take the plastic lens, open up the autopals, install the projector, and seal the stock lens to the new autopals.
Ah that makes sense. You're right, I modified the stock JK housings. I wish I would've known those other ones existed! Oh well.
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Nice clarification. I guess we were talking about two different housings.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the ones from hidprojectors.com.

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Got it. So since I have glass lenses because I have a 2006 and my H4 upgrades are glass, I'd need to buy stock replacements for a jk, those autopal housings, and the projectors?
Also, the guy from hidprojectors sells a DIY kit that already comes with everything you need. If you are looking for a basic setup it goes for like $245 and you just assemble and seal. You can paint it if you want, or have him do it. You can also have him do all the assembly and send you the lights, you just pay labor.
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Oh, I thought you were talking about the ones from hidprojectors.com.
I was. InvertChaos was talking about OEM, hence the conflcting info.
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HIDProjectors do not use the stock H13 housing. It uses H4 housings from autopal with the lens from the stock housing which has a larger dome shape, it can fit a mini h1 projector with no cutting.


He is assuming the HIDProjectors builder uses the stock lamp. Its a different lamp that can fit a morimoto mini H1 type projector without cutting it. THe magic is that it combines the housing from one lamp and the plastic lens of the stock lamp, turning out as a much larger lamp that can fit the projector without cutting.

If you want to DIY, this are the housings on amazon, and the projectors are similar to the morimoto minis h1, just no brand, like this. You can probably get the parts cheaper from HIDProjectors considering he probably buys at wholesale prices. I believe his projectors are cheaper than the morimoto minis and are the same thing.

You would basically need to take open up the stock lamps, take the plastic lens, open up the autopals, install the projector, and seal the stock lens to the new autopals.

I can confirm that the Autopal H4 housing + Mini H1 projector + OEM lens does not fit without cutting. Unless OEM lenses have changed (I am using a '13). The projector sticks out about .5" too far for this to work. Modification to the housing would be required for this to work.

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