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Old 01-19-2012, 08:46 PM   #1
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New headlights?

So before I replace my tires and lift it, my jeeps got a 3000 mile road trip ahead of it. So in the mean time, I'm looking into replacing the headlights... after searching the net I've found two and I'm looking for some feedback. Any links to better light deals and/or ideas would be appreciated!

What I'm looking at:

Delta 7" Round Quad Bar Xenon Headlamp Kit

IN PRO CAR WEAR 7" DIAMOND CUT CONVERSION HEADLIGHTS

suggestions?

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Old 01-19-2012, 08:55 PM   #2
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So I asked Hilldweller to break it down on the "paging Hilldweller thread:

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That would be an entire thread...

On the cheap:
The stocker uses an H13 bulb which is a purposely weak design to save money; as a cheap alternative, there are much better (and worse) H13 bulbs. Phillips xtreme Power +80 is the best you can get and are generally less expensive than the sub-par IPF, Delta, Sylvania Silverstar, or PIAA bulbs that are popular these days.

Add a harness to the stocker and Xtreme Power bulb assembly to upgrade further and get more light. The stock system puts a strangle-hold on power with its PWM and light gauge wiring.

Pricier:
The best answer for headlights is a complete retrofit.
Rallylights.com can sell you an H4 kit that has Hella reflectors, bulbs, and a harness. It's easy to install. You can upgrade the bulbs to Phillips Xtreme Powers, Osram Rallye, Osram Nightbreaker, Narva Rangepower, etc. There are even naughtier bulbs that I can't recommend in good faith; again, stay away from childish bulbs like PIAA, IPF Fatboys, Silverstars, etc.

Pricier still:
Daniel Stern Lighting sells Cibie reflectors, Cibie Z-Beams, and sometimes has a few Marchals that he'll part with. Marchal, like in Duesenberg and other high-end cars.
The photometry on these reflectors BLOWS AWAY the competition. It is remarkably easy to fool the human eye with lighting smoke and mirrors but you can't fool the meters...
Mr Stern will suggest (for all the reasons I already stated) that you add a harness and plug assembly to provide power to all this.

Even pricier:
You can jigger-in a legal Valeo/Sylvania HID bi-xenon set of lights; $688 the last time I checked at SUV lights dot com. You'd also need wiring from Stern or Rallylights.
Or some Speaker 8700 LED burners; they come with H4 terminals; same about buying supplemental wiring.

For driving lights, I'm still sticking with the Hella 4000s for value. Wire them to come on with your high beams and you're golden.
My criteria for suggesting lights is an even spread of light so you're just as likely to see a deer jumping out as you are to see a sink-hole in your path on the highway.
CRI and SPD matter to me as well as warm-up time for a driver so I wouldn't suggest HID or LED; not yet anyhow ---- they're getting better all the time.

For offroad lights, I'm all over the cheap-n-stinky HIDs or nose-in-the-air LEDs. Take your pick and let your budget be your guide. Lots of light all over the place. Godlights. Burn the retina, lo and behold, all that.

For foglights? Do you really really need foglights? Not if you spend the money to put Cibie or Marchal headlights on already...
But if you really want dedicated fogs, Cibie Oscars are legal and work great. Not too expensive either considering.

I can't go into detail but, I'll be doing a little something in the upcoming months and will have some real numbers to throw around to compare some lights.
Science is our friend.
It may be a bit dated given the speed of evolution when it comes to technology. Like I ended up buying JW Speaker LEDs. If you read the whole thread I recommend just skipping to Hilldweller responses. He will address anybody's claims and answer all questions, and knows the laws too.
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Thanks smaxberry! Placed the order for the Hella H4 kit from rallylights just now.
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I'm going with the Rallylights.com H4 kit but have a question. Are there any LED bulb kits that can use these reflectors? I would like to replace the bulbs when they burn out with LEDs and just to clearify, these aren't as narrow as the Delta's and the 100/55 Hella bulb is a super on/offroad light right?
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I'm set on the Rallylights but want some input from you guys first,
Pros/cons of yellow stars or just stick to the Hella Halogen?
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I'm set on the Rallylights but want some input from you guys first,
Pros/cons of yellow stars or just stick to the Hella Halogen?
What does the Rallylights kit do that the KC Highlights kit doesnt? Quadratec has the #42302 kit for $110 and seems to offer the same thing.
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I just bought the KC headlights and they suck. Returned them and bought the Hella kit from SMS which arrived yesterday. More difficult to install because of the relay harness but should be worth it.
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These are currently the Highest Output E-Code Lamps avail: New Bosch 301 600 118 7" Round H4 Headlight Harley Davidson Head Lamp Light | eBay
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These are currently the Highest Output E-Code Lamps avail: New Bosch 301 600 118 7" Round H4 Headlight Harley Davidson Head Lamp Light | eBay

That's just a reflector isn't it?
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What does the Rallylights kit do that the KC Highlights kit doesnt? Quadratec has the #42302 kit for $110 and seems to offer the same thing.
The technology put in the reflectors is different. Also the rally lights come with the wiring harness to provide much more power from the battery to the lights.
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That's just a reflector isn't it?
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"Add a harness" what harness would one add once installing the Phillip X-Treme bulbs and why?
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"Add a harness" what harness would one add once installing the Phillip X-Treme bulbs and why?
Just one of these: Truck-Lite Part POI96630 - H4 to H13 Headlight Adapter to Convert from H13 to H4
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Just one of these: Truck-Lite Part POI96630 - H4 to H13 Headlight Adapter to Convert from H13 to H4
Damn. Just installed some Phillips X-Treme bulbs...
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Damn. Just installed some Phillips X-Treme bulbs...
Sell the Bulbs and your OE Housings and you may have to only lay out $20 for some E-Codes.

Then even if you get some Regular H4's from the Local Auto Parts Store, it'll still be an Improvement over Stock.
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I'm going with the Rallylights.com H4 kit but have a question. Are there any LED bulb kits that can use these reflectors? I would like to replace the bulbs when they burn out with LEDs and just to clearify, these aren't as narrow as the Delta's and the 100/55 Hella bulb is a super on/offroad light right?
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Almost everyone flashes me cuz they think my highs are on. Plug and play HID kits from ddm tunning. Lifetime bulb warrenty.

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Almost everyone flashes me cuz they think my highs are on. Plug and play HID kits from ddm tunning. Lifetime bulb warrenty.
That's not a good thing...it's quite dangerous to blind oncoming traffic.
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what is wrong with the stock lights, i see just fine..
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what is wrong with the stock lights, i see just fine..
Mine are adequate for daytime use, usually.
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Just one of these: Truck-Lite Part POI96630 - H4 to H13 Headlight Adapter to Convert from H13 to H4
So I can just get two of these harnesses and some h4 bulbs and it'll work fine? Makes me feel like spending 250 on the kit with new headlamps isn't worth it then. Must be a quite a bit better than just running the Philips H13 9008 X-treme like I planned
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S. Lam.. You have to change the housings too. The H4 bulbs won't fit in the stock housings. You can buy housings, nubs and the adapters for about $150. The harness with relays is what drives the cost up, but it does make a difference in the light output.

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Ok I knew I was missing something, once it starts getting into the $200 range I think i'd rather just wait a little longer and get the trucklites. Hopefully have the flickering fixed soon...Philips bulbs will have to hold me over until then.
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Mine are adequate for daytime use, usually.
You made my day; I actually laughed so hard I woke up the dogs.

Btw, my two cents. I bought the deltas shortly after I bought my jeep and they suck too. Bout to change them.
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The Beam Pattern is too Narrow on the Deltas...and the Fact that JK's have no L&R Adjustment Screw for the Headlights makes it even Worse.
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Does anyone have any thoughts on replacing the wrangler headlights with yellow burning bulbs like the yellow stars from rally lights?
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No one... I cant find anything on people running yellow 24/7 in the headlights of a daily driver. Is there a reason for that?
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What are thoughts on the Truck-Lite LED lights?

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