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Old 08-28-2012, 04:58 AM   #301
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I did the same thing, but used different aux lamps because I wanted to wire my lamps to come on with the high beams. They work very well as a country road daily driver, finding deer at night.

I have the brackets, easy to install, work well. The instructions that came with mine warned about a brake line that must have been re-routed for 2012, because it wasn't there. Also you will have to move the ambient temp sensor on the left side, no problem, re-mount it to the upper, outboard bracket mounting bolt on the inside of the cross-brace and behind the inboard part of the mounting bracket. I can't tell you anything about the Warn lights, don't have them, several posters have commented that it's easy to forget they are on & have drained their battery &/or melted their light covers. Wiring the other mfg light sets with a hard wire interior switch is easy to do, if you are looking at the wireless remote as a problem solver.

Likely, you will have to add a 20 amp fuse to the power lead at the battery.

If you use a hard wire interior switch system, add a 3 amp fuse to the relay/switch lead at the battery. This will allow you to turn the aux lights on and off completely independently of the the jeep electrical system.

Wiring the lights to work with the high beams is possible, but requires adding two diodes and a capacitor to your lamp wiring. I don't know what your comfort level is in doing this kind of work. It may be easier to order lamps and wiring from SMS with everything already included.
Thanks very much! I do not have a comfort level, so I am having them installed at a shop I am familar with. I turn everything off when I shut off the Jeep, so I will get into the habit of checking those lights to ensure they are off.

Will driving all night with those lights on melt the covers? There are times I drive all night when traveling. Tks!

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When driving at night the covers will be off. This will be obvious once you get the lights. I have lights w/ stone guards that stay on the light all the time.

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Old 08-28-2012, 07:09 AM   #303
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I just have a simple question. Help a fairly newbie out here please.

I want to add the following:

Quadratec Exclusive JK-LMB - Auxiliary Light Mount Brackets for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec


WARN 82420 - WARN 6.5" Wireless Driving Lamp Kit - Quadratec

Will these help? Is this all I need?

Thanks!
I just drilled holes in my bumper to mount driving lights.

A harness from SMS and relay so that the driving lights come on with highbeams is the safe/legal/best way to add driving lights ----- and there are better/cheaper driving lights available...

That said, it won't do a thing to help your lowbeams.
How fast and what kind of roads do you have for your night drives? Slow, twisty, mountain roads --- I'd say to get the new Trucklite LEDs and declare victory. Add driving lights if you really want but you might not need them anymore.
Mix of highway and rural? Dan Stern's Cibie kit or SMS Hella 90mm kit and a set of decent driving lights.
All fast highway? The Cibie kit, any SMS kit (Hella H4 or 90mm), JW Speaker LED, and good drivers.

Your headlights should come before driving lights though.
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Couple of quick questions....

Truck-Lite LED or J.W. Speaker? Can someone share a pic of the J.W.'s installed? I've seen a few, but still looking for more to see how they look.

Rigid Dually D2's to replace OEM foglights....
Is this legal? Just have to point them downward a bit? With the "wide" format?
Plug n' play?

Or, anyone used the Rebel Off Road LED replacement fogs?

I really like the D2's, and was planning on placing a pair on the windshield and replacing my OEM fogs with them.
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Couple of quick questions....

Truck-Lite LED or J.W. Speaker? Can someone share a pic of the J.W.'s installed? I've seen a few, but still looking for more to see how they look.

Rigid Dually D2's to replace OEM foglights....
Is this legal?
JW Speakers installed in my old JK:



Rigid Dually is not a street legal product; great for offroad.


JWS installed in my buddy's TJ:

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JW Speakers installed in my old JK:



Rigid Dually is not a street legal product; great for offroad.


JWS installed in my buddy's TJ:


OK, so if I want to run my fogs on-road, it's best I go with another LED product, heh?

I know the D2's on the windshield will be for off-road only.
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OK, so if I want to run my fogs on-road, it's best I go with another LED product, heh?

I know the D2's on the windshield will be for off-road only.
LEDs don't make a very good foglight usually but JW Speaker has some that are decent; Trucklite is making some to fill the Harley-sized "passing lamps" too but I haven't seen them in action.

For very good and true foglight performance, I still pick halogen. Hella Micro DE, Bosch Compact 100, Cibie (pick any foglight model) ---- all work great.

For offroad, almost any light works. It's onroad that performance gets tricky.
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I just have a simple question. Help a fairly newbie out here please.

Too much information on these lighting upgrades has my head hurting.

95% of my driving is at night. Last night I almost wiped out (or them me) four deer. I have got to get better lights!

I upgraded the bulbs, but that helped minimally.

I want to add the following:

Quadratec Exclusive JK-LMB - Auxiliary Light Mount Brackets for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

WARN 82420 - WARN 6.5" Wireless Driving Lamp Kit - Quadratec

Will these help? Is this all I need?

Thanks!
Having done what you want to do already, I responded above, however I agree w/ Hilldweller, upgrade your headlights first. What ever you decide to order, get a complete wiring package w/ the lights included. SMS (rallylights.com) is a good source of high quality lighting, as is Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy. A complete kit will save time at install, which if you are having a shop do your install will save you money.
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So........since the Rigid Duallys aren't street legal what's a good choice for driving lights to use with the high beams?
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So........since the Rigid Duallys aren't street legal what's a good choice for driving lights to use with the high beams?
Any of the big names make good driving lights (see H's list above for fog lights). I appreciate the argument against, but I contend that PIAA is a good value proposition for driving lights used in suburban/semi rural daily driving. I agree that you can spend more, and get better, but I am comfortable with the performance/$ that PIAA gives.
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Any of the big names make good driving lights (see H's list above for fog lights). I appreciate the argument against, but I contend that PIAA is a good value proposition for driving lights used in suburban/semi rural daily driving. I agree that you can spend more, and get better, but I am comfortable with the performance/$ that PIAA gives.
Thanks for jump starting my thought process!
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So........since the Rigid Duallys aren't street legal what's a good choice for driving lights to use with the high beams?
I like the light from Hella Ralley 4000 Euro-beams. I also like Cibie Oscars, Super Oscars, etc.
Scootr29 built a set of killer lights and explains it in this thread; didn't cost a whole lot.

If you want to spend more, the Hella 4000 compact HID is really nifty and JW Speaker makes an LED TS3000
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Couple of quick questions....

Truck-Lite LED or J.W. Speaker? Can someone share a pic of the J.W.'s installed? I've seen a few, but still looking for more to see how they look.

Rigid Dually D2's to replace OEM foglights....
Is this legal? Just have to point them downward a bit? With the "wide" format?
Plug n' play?

Or, anyone used the Rebel Off Road LED replacement fogs?

I really like the D2's, and was planning on placing a pair on the windshield and replacing my OEM fogs with them.
I have the Rebel LED bulbs in the stock fog location now. I am not happy with them and will pull them out this weekend. See my prior post on page 9 (post #286).

I am also looking at the Rigid Dually D2s for the stock location fog lights. I want a cleanly mounted auxiliary light in the bumper. I really don't need a "fog" light per se. I saw some conflicting reports of satisfaction with these when wiring into the stock fog switch. That would be a pretty ideal situation for me... I also don't want to hatchet things up too badly if I decide to sell this thing and want to get as close to stock as possible in a hurry.
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I have the Rebel LED bulbs in the stock fog location now. I am not happy with them and will pull them out this weekend. See my prior post on page 9 (post #286).

I am also looking at the Rigid Dually D2s for the stock location fog lights. I want a cleanly mounted auxiliary light in the bumper. I really don't need a "fog" light per se. I saw some conflicting reports of satisfaction with these when wiring into the stock fog switch. That would be a pretty ideal situation for me... I also don't want to hatchet things up too badly if I decide to sell this thing and want to get as close to stock as possible in a hurry.
I believe Poison Spyder makes a bracket that allows the D2's to fit nicely in the OEM fog location.
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I just drilled holes in my bumper to mount driving lights.

A harness from SMS and relay so that the driving lights come on with highbeams is the safe/legal/best way to add driving lights ----- and there are better/cheaper driving lights available...

That said, it won't do a thing to help your lowbeams.
How fast and what kind of roads do you have for your night drives? Slow, twisty, mountain roads --- I'd say to get the new Trucklite LEDs and declare victory. Add driving lights if you really want but you might not need them anymore.
Mix of highway and rural? Dan Stern's Cibie kit or SMS Hella 90mm kit and a set of decent driving lights.
All fast highway? The Cibie kit, any SMS kit (Hella H4 or 90mm), JW Speaker LED, and good drivers.

Your headlights should come before driving lights though.
Thanks. Driving is about 50% highway and 50% dark, very twisty roads. I ordered the brackets from Quadratec and plan on ordering the Warn wireless lights and have them hooked directly to the battery. It is my understanding (I could be wrong), that this way it would not negate any warranty issues and I would be able to turn these lights on by themselves, with High beams, or with low beams. Since in VA one cannot have 6 lights on I would have to keep the fog lights off if these are on.

I read in the forum that the Dan Stern bulbs burn out quickly. Since I am driving 95% at night I was hesitant to try these.
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Thanks. Driving is about 50% highway and 50% dark, very twisty roads. I ordered the brackets from Quadratec and plan on ordering the Warn wireless lights and have them hooked directly to the battery. It is my understanding (I could be wrong), that this way it would not negate any warranty issues and I would be able to turn these lights on by themselves, with High beams, or with low beams. Since in VA one cannot have 6 lights on I would have to keep the fog lights off if these are on.

I read in the forum that the Dan Stern bulbs burn out quickly. Since I am driving 95% at night I was hesitant to try these.
Burn out quickly is relative. I had a sports car with Cibie head lights and driving lights. I owned the car for 41 years and never replaced a bulb. True, later in it's life it was only driven infrequently, but it was my DD for about 5 years. See below:
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I just read this entire thread... all 317 posts... I think I understand the lighting system much better now! I need a beer...
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I believe Poison Spyder makes a bracket that allows the D2's to fit nicely in the OEM fog location.
These work great with the Duallys

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Those brackets look like a sweet setup! Works with the factory bumper or the Poison Spyder one.
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Those brackets look great. Although I've found with a headlight upgrade that the fogs are not that useful. I wonder if it's worth putting Duallys there with better headlights, especially for on road, and that cost (the Duallys).
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Well for me personally, I only use the fogs as they were intended. Up close and directly on the road for foul weather. I never got caught up in driving all the time with fog lights on. Interferes with your long distance vision at night because the eyes try to focus on on the light up close.

I wish the Rigid Duallys were street legal for use as driving lights.
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So what makes other driving lights legal or what makes the duallys illegal to use? So most of the time that see pics of these, the people are using them for high speed off road? Or just not using them? Or are they using them on road illegally?
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So what makes other driving lights legal or what makes the duallys illegal to use? So most of the time that see pics of these, the people are using them for high speed off road? Or just not using them? Or are they using them on road illegally?
The answer to your question depends on your state laws. Mostly two lights mounted below the head lights, but there's more to it than that.
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So what makes other driving lights legal or what makes the duallys illegal to use? So most of the time that see pics of these, the people are using them for high speed off road? Or just not using them? Or are they using them on road illegally?
In Oklahoma and probably most states, lights mounted above the headlights are usually illegal for on road use
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The answer to your question depends on your state laws. Mostly two lights mounted below the head lights, but there's more to it than that.
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In Oklahoma and probably most states, lights mounted above the headlights are usually illegal for on road use
Understood. What if they were mounted to the bumper making them lower than the headlights?
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Understood. What if they were mounted to the bumper making them lower than the headlights?
We can only have up to 4 lights on at the same time (not including markers and signals) under normal conditions here. It also has to do with the brightness of the lights. During big storms, they'll allow us to use more than 4 as long as we don't blind other drivers
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Well I would use the high beam wire to trigger the relay for the Duallys. That way they would come on/off with the high beams. So never more than 4 lights on at once.
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Ok, besides chosen mounting location, the Rigid Duallys are actually street legal? I thought that Hilldweller had implied earlier that these lights in particular were not street legal for some reason. Are "driving lights" not usually intended for actual driving? My intention is to hopefully have these wired so that I could either flip them on or off and while in the "on" position they would further be controlled by the factory dimmer. So, switch on... brights on with driving lights on, low beams on with driving lights off. Switch off, driving lights off regardless of headlights.

I will research my state laws regarding mounting location. Thanks for the heads up.

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