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Old 09-06-2012, 09:17 PM   #421
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your headlights had start up noises? :d
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:56 AM   #422
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Running 5w30 fixed my start up noise.
You put blinker fluid in your headlights?

That can cause death wobble...

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Old 09-07-2012, 05:32 AM   #423
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Do you mean to tell me you guys don't?
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Do you mean to tell me you guys don't?
Blinker fluid is for blinkers; synthetic is best.

It is also edible after 15,000 miles and makes a great wing sauce, coctail mixer, or furniture polish.

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I can't respond to this with an honest answer or I'll get banned.

So I took the liberty of sending the link to the moderator of the automotive section of Candlepowerforum.
If he's nice enough to respond, I'll PM the answer to you.

Expect it to be rather harsh though. Maybe even cruel.
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I can't respond to this with an honest answer or I'll get banned.

So I took the liberty of sending the link to the moderator of the automotive section of Candlepowerforum.
If he's nice enough to respond, I'll PM the answer to you.

Expect it to be rather harsh though. Maybe even cruel.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:30 AM   #428
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The ad says "for off road use only". NTHSA has ruled that HID conversions are illegal.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:33 AM   #429
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The ad says "for off road use only". NTHSA has ruled that HID conversions are illegal.
That's a good "in a nutshell" answer.
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hmmm I love blinker fluid wings at Buffalo Wild Wings ....
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The ad says "for off road use only". NTHSA has ruled that HID conversions are illegal.
Thanks for the heads up
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Blinker fluid is for blinkers; synthetic is best.

It is also edible after 15,000 miles and makes a great wing sauce, coctail mixer, or furniture polish.

Yes, synthetic blinker fluid is the best!
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Thanks for the heads up
PM sent --- and I'm still chuckling over it...

C'mon, Mods; let me post it...?
It's from an automotive lighting professional.
I PM'd nick50471. I think it's important for forum members to know true things, not just stuff in advertisements.
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PM sent --- and I'm still chuckling over it...

C'mon, Mods; let me post it...?
It's from an automotive lighting professional.
I PM'd nick50471. I think it's important for forum members to know true things, not just stuff in advertisements.
I totally agree, it needs to be posted here.
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I totally agree, it needs to be posted here.
Thanks.

Those links in his reply are also posted elsewhere in this thread and in my Headlight Shootout, btw. They're to the new Rallylights.com products.

He's purely a street guy and is very partial to the excellent performance of lights like the 90mm Hella projectors --- and for good reason...

He also likes the Cibie H4s over the competition; again, for good reason.

When we get to LEDs, pros like this aren't as enthusiastic as I am. I like the Trucklite LED product for offroad for a couple of reasons, ones that matter to us more than a Miata driver.
1) We're going slow offroad; the foreground light is welcome
2) We've got winches, 2-meter radios, cb radios, laptops, gps, aux lights and other demands on our electrical systems --- the low amperage draw is a big plus.
3) Changing bulbs in the mud or snow sucks; LEDs last a LONG time

Same reasons for the JW Speaker product except I like it more in a street-friendly fashion.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:43 PM   #436
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I got my Truck Lites from the same vendor... they shipped for free via USPS Priority Mail from CA to NJ and I had them within 2 days.
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I got my Truck Lites from the same vendor... they shipped for free via USPS Priority Mail from CA to NJ and I had them within 2 days.
Good post ---- I don't want it to seem like I'm knocking that vendor. Lots of nice things going on there.

Not every vendor is an expert on every single thing they're selling though. You don't go to Red Lobster for steak...
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I want additional back up lighting. I have a D1, & would like to splice it into the oe wiring w/o a relay/full harness. Is this a bad idea?

I have full harness's on all my forward lighting.
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I want additional back up lighting. I have a D1, & would like to splice it into the oe wiring w/o a relay/full harness. Is this a bad idea?

I have full harness's on all my forward lighting.
I've been thinking about backup lighting, but quite honestly I am thinking more about a backup camera. Our other vehicle is a BMW 535 and I am really digging the backup camera on that thing.

Of course, the backup camera is of no use if you are trying to light up a camp ground at night! :-)
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I want additional back up lighting. I have a D1, & would like to splice it into the oe wiring w/o a relay/full harness. Is this a bad idea?

I have full harness's on all my forward lighting.
It would partly depend on the amps the D1 uses.
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I want additional back up lighting. I have a D1, & would like to splice it into the oe wiring w/o a relay/full harness. Is this a bad idea?
It may or may not work, from a technically functional standpoint.
It's not the slightest bit legal though.

Why not a relay and switch? On demand is usually better in the long run anyhow.
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I've been thinking about backup lighting, but quite honestly I am thinking more about a backup camera. Our other vehicle is a BMW 535 and I am really digging the backup camera on that thing.

Of course, the backup camera is of no use if you are trying to light up a camp ground at night! :-)
I haven't decided on a back up cam yet, I do want to do both projects at the same time though. My dealer claims Jeep is coming out w/a bolt in back up cam, no word as of yet.
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It may or may not work, from a technically functional standpoint.
It's not the slightest bit legal though.

Why not a relay and switch? On demand is usually better in the long run anyhow.
Legal? I don't back up going down the road.
I know a switch/relay/harness is the best, I was just being lazy. Once I get the cam picked I'll just run a switch/relay/harness then. I'm dreading running the wires through the tail gate & all the way up front.
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I haven't decided on a back up cam yet, I do want to do both projects at the same time though. My dealer claims Jeep is coming out w/a bolt in back up cam, no word as of yet.

Legal? I don't back up going down the road.
I know a switch/relay/harness is the best, I was just being lazy. Once I get the cam picked I'll just run a switch/relay/harness then. I'm dreading running the wires through the tail gate & all the way up front.
About a year ago I read about a guy putting a back up camera in the center of his spare tire, connecting it to his in-dash nav system using a lock pick to tie the two in. It was very ingenious.
You might get a really good back up cam that you can adapt in a junk yard off a BMW or such.
I have gotten a ton of good parts from the junk yards over the decades.
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Thanks.

Those links in his reply are also posted elsewhere in this thread and in my Headlight Shootout, btw. They're to the new Rallylights.com products.

He's purely a street guy and is very partial to the excellent performance of lights like the 90mm Hella projectors --- and for good reason...

He also likes the Cibie H4s over the competition; again, for good reason.

When we get to LEDs, pros like this aren't as enthusiastic as I am. I like the Trucklite LED product for offroad for a couple of reasons, ones that matter to us more than a Miata driver.
1) We're going slow offroad; the foreground light is welcome
2) We've got winches, 2-meter radios, cb radios, laptops, gps, aux lights and other demands on our electrical systems --- the low amperage draw is a big plus.
3) Changing bulbs in the mud or snow sucks; LEDs last a LONG time

Same reasons for the JW Speaker product except I like it more in a street-friendly fashion.
I agree with you on the LEDS. I bought the Truck Lites and I am very pleases with them.
About a month ago I bought the Vision X replacement fog lights and the two go good together.
I have replaced every filament bulb I can get to with LEDS for the performance and like you said, they last a very long time.
I urge ever Jeep owner to do the same as the difference is indeed dramatic.
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I agree with you on the LEDS. I bought the Truck Lites and I am very pleases with them.
About a month ago I bought the Vision X replacement fog lights and the two go good together.
I have replaced every filament bulb I can get to with LEDS for the performance and like you said, they last a very long time.
I urge ever Jeep owner to do the same as the difference is indeed dramatic.
Well, I wouldn't replace every filament bulb with an LED....
There aren't any that you can swap with exterior safety lighting that actually work and are compliant with DOT regs.

Here's a good LED retrofit discussion on CPF
motorcycle tail light mod
You can find many more with a little look.
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Reading the link that Hilldweller provided brought up another good point. The Department of Transportion does not test and inspect bulbs, lights, etc. They do have published standards that manufacturers are supposed to follow. I copied this from that thread.

"There is no such thing as "DOT approval". The manufacturer of regulated vehicle equipment self-certifies that the equipment meets all applicable regulations. There is no prescribed series of tests, no submission of test data to get authorization to sell the equipment -- it's left up to the manufacturer's discretion to decide what testing (if any) to do before offering the equipment for sale. Theoretically the incentive to do a good job is the threat of legal liability, forced recalls, and civil penalties/fines for noncompliant equipment. In practice, makers and sellers of noncompliant lights don't tend to get smacked unless there is a big, politically "hot", high-profile pattern of vehicle accidents traceable to the noncompliant lighting equipment. So the buyer of vehicle lighting products needs to use good judgment and play it safe by sticking to major-brand products that are most likely to actually merit their certifications."
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SEMA views on lighting

Here is a good link to a SEMA article, addressing FMVSS compliance issues for it's member companies. There is an imbedded link to another article on lighting which is also interesting. NTHSA, SEMA & the OEM's rely on SAE standards for component testing. I think, but am not sure the SAE 366 is the lighting standard. Unfortunately, SAE sells it's standards, so I haven't found a copy on the internet to look at.
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So does the SAE and DOT have separate standards or are they one and the same?
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So does the SAE and DOT have separate standards or are they one and the same?
NTHSA (national Traffic Highway Safety Administration) writes the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) If I remember correctly NTHSA is part of DOT (Department of Transportation)

SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) writes standards about all aspects of designing, testing, and building a vehicle, cars, trucks (& airplanes as I remember). In writing or amending FMVSS codes, NTHSA has a comment period in which all interested parties can comment and/or suggest changes. SAE usually suggests performance and testing standards for the specific FMVSS code and they are almost always referenced in the code, which makes the writing process simpler.

So, to answer your question, they are separate, but linked.
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I PM'd nick50471. I think it's important for forum members to know true things, not just stuff in advertisements.
i'm interested in this as well. i posted the same question about those kits earlier in this thread. can u pm me the link or any info about those kits.

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