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Old 10-07-2012, 10:53 AM   #601
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I'm sure lighting technology has changed a lot since I mounted some KC's on a light bar above the windshield of my '82 Scrambler 30 years ago, but I still wonder why people choose to mount lights on the windshield. It was the stupidest thing I ever did to the Scrambler. They glared off the hood really badly...glare guards under the lights helped some. Because of that experience, I will never mount lights anywhere but on the bumper. Lights on the side or top of the windshield may look cool during the day, but they don't seem practical at night...which is the only time they will actually be used. Of course, if what you want to see is the shiny hood of your new Jeep, then I guess they are practical.

Even though I have not yet seen any LED lights in action at night, I have a Rigid E-Series 30-inch light bar sitting here waiting for my new Rubicon to arrive. It will be mounted on the 47-inch wide Poison Spyder bumper that I will have powdercoated this week. I've been very happy with the Hella Black Magic lights on the 03 Rubicon...and the 4 HID lights on the front of the 08 Tundra. I hope the LEDs live up to my expectations.

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Windshield mounted lights do have a useful purpose for some. Handy for trail riding at night.

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Windshield mounted lights do have a useful purpose for some. Handy for trail riding at night.
I've worked with Search and Rescue for over 20 years so I'm often on the trails at night...probably much more often than most people. I seriously do not see ANY benefit to windshield-mounted lights. Any light reflecting off the hood is going to compromise visibility of the trail...offsetting any real benefit from having the lights at a higher angle. It's not a lot different than turning on your interior lights at night.
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I will say this once and then I will leave by the road. Not going to debate the topic any further. I see no benefit of putting chrome on Jeeps, but there are those who like the look. It's not for me but I not going to go into those threads and knock them for it. If you don't see a purpose/benefit for windshield mounted lights, fine. That's your opinion. I disagree. Not all lights and mounts are the same so there are options for windshield mounted lights that DON'T glare off the hood. YMMV
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:50 PM   #605
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Hi

I got the Windshield mounted lights because they were easy to attach to the vehicle with brackets. As I live in Sweden we have european bumpers and your light bracket would probably not fit, anyway they would cost much more.

I have the Smittybilt bracket that cost about 20 dollars.

I didnt think that I had hood glare because I have not noticed it or beeing bothered about it, but cheched my loosy film at Youtube and there are som hood glare, but the Dually D2 drive beam have a rather wide beam, see here

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I've worked with Search and Rescue for over 20 years so I'm often on the trails at night...probably much more often than most people. I seriously do not see ANY benefit to windshield-mounted lights. Any light reflecting off the hood is going to compromise visibility of the trail...offsetting any real benefit from having the lights at a higher angle. It's not a lot different than turning on your interior lights at night.
The only time I saw the use was in tall grass in South America. The grass was higher than the headlights.
Still high-centered on a rock-hard termite mound...
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:29 AM   #607
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Anyone have a solution for my problem? I just installed beamer plug and play hid headlights in my 2011 jeep wrangler now most of my warning lights are on in my dash abs, my e brake, anti skid and my speedo doesn't work , whats up anybody have any solutions? I unhooked battery and it didnt work as well.
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Anyone have a solution for my problem? I just installed beamer plug and play hid headlights in my 2011 jeep wrangler now most of my warning lights are on in my dash abs, my e brake, anti skid and my speedo doesn't work , whats up anybody have any solutions? I unhooked battery and it didnt work as well.
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???? unhooked battery to see if it would reset the warning lights and still have all the dash warning lights on.
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???? unhooked battery to see if it would reset the warning lights and still have all the dash warning lights on.
You very fundamentally don't understand the electronics of the JK.

Suffice it to say that it may be very difficult to get your farkle to work properly.
But there several solutions that will work.

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You very fundamentally don't understand the electronics of the JK.

Suffice it to say that it may be very difficult to get your farkle to work properly.
But there several solutions that will work.

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Hence the reason I'm here, if i understood the JK I wouldn't be here, Oh by the way thanks for the warm welcome as well........
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:38 PM   #612
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Hence the reason I'm here, if i understood the JK I wouldn't be here, Oh by the way thanks for the warm welcome as well........
Start with a few fundamentals. HID retrofits are illegal here in the USA. There is one available from Susquehanna Motor Sports (SMS) which is legal (rallylights.com) .

Chrysler uses PWM (pulse width modulation) for power and control. This varies the voltage in a circuit from 0 - 12 v very quickly. Good for OEM electronics, not good for add on after market parts, not made for PWM.

When adding headlights, most people go use a separate circuit from the battery to relays to power the head lights. If you are not into electronics, SMS makes harnesses for this purpose.

So... If you disconnect the headlights, does the system work OK, or are you still getting gremlins? If OK, you are in luck, pick from the replacement headlights tested in this thread and move ahead.

If the gremlins are still present, you may have damaged you computer.

Post back after you remove the headlights you installed.
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Hence the reason I'm here, if i understood the JK I wouldn't be here, Oh by the way thanks for the warm welcome as well........
He wasn't being an ass, he is one of the greatest assets (see what I did there?) in this thread. His well timed double facepalm is in reference to you posting in a 20 page thread that already has alot of answers. If you had read some of the thread, you would have learned that what you have done would be strongly advised against for the reasons that Stan pointed out. So you can solve the problem, you just are going to need to shell out some more mulla. It is an easy mistake. I have always seen those HID conversion kits and assumed legality and functionality also. However I have since learned that you don't get either. Once you got those to work, you would likely end up with poor performing headlights and worked hardest at blinding other drivers...
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unplugged the hid kit and took it completely out and put back in stock headlights and all the dash warning lights disappeared ,everything back to normal. Still want to have better lights than stock!!!!
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He wasn't being an ass, he is one of the greatest assets (see what I did there?) in this thread. His well timed double facepalm is in reference to you posting in a 20 page thread that already has alot of answers. If you had read some of the thread, you would have learned that what you have done would be strongly advised against for the reasons that Stan pointed out. So you can solve the problem, you just are going to need to shell out some more mulla. It is an easy mistake. I have always seen those HID conversion kits and assumed legality and functionality also. However I have since learned that you don't get either. Once you got those to work, you would likely end up with poor performing headlights and worked hardest at blinding other drivers...
actually i read most of the thread and didn't see it but a thread this long its easy to miss the info a guy is looking for,I have hid lights on my dodge truck and my yukon denali as well and they are by far better than stock ,am I looking for maximum performance like some of you guys are? no , I don't care looking at the pics in this thread about the distance each light shines and which bulb gives you alittle bit more light than the other, I just want something that is brighter so I can see better plain and simple.
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Moving on........Hilldweller any headway on the dongle for the Truck-Lites?
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Moving on........Hilldweller any headway on the dongle for the Truck-Lites?
They work but not perfectly.
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It's a good solution at a good price point if you can handle the one shortcoming.

Chris didn't want to keep them and I'm sending them back to Trucklite.
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unplugged the hid kit and took it completely out and put back in stock headlights and all the dash warning lights disappeared ,everything back to normal. Still want to have better lights than stock!!!!
Moving on, no gremlins, life is good. Here is a summary of options for you to consider:

You will likely want a wiring harness from SMS with any of these lights.
Brand bulb supplier rating aprox cost
Hella headlamps H4 SMS Good $250
Cibie headlamps H4 Daniel Stern Better $400
Truck lites LED Many Mo Better $500
JW Speakers LED Few Mo Betterer $700
SMS HID projector H9 SMS Best If you have to ask...

Let us know which way you go, and remember, without pictures, it didn't happen.
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actually i read most of the thread and didn't see it but a thread this long its easy to miss the info a guy is looking for,I have hid lights on my dodge truck and my yukon denali as well and they are by far better than stock ,am I looking for maximum performance like some of you guys are? no , I don't care looking at the pics in this thread about the distance each light shines and which bulb gives you alittle bit more light than the other, I just want something that is brighter so I can see better plain and simple.
Just keep in mind brighter doesn't automatically equal better lighting at night.
We weren't looking for maximum performance but better than stock and the choices stan listed will be brighter and provide better light for night driving.
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Moving on, no gremlins, life is good. Here is a summary of options for you to consider:

You will likely want a wiring harness from SMS with any of these lights.
Brand bulb supplier rating aprox cost
Hella headlamps H4 SMS Good $250
Cibie headlamps H4 Daniel Stern Better $400
Truck lites LED Many Mo Better $500
JW Speakers LED Few Mo Betterer $700
SMS HID projector H9 SMS Best If you have to ask...

Let us know which way you go, and remember, without pictures, it didn't happen.
Don't forget the SMS bi-halogen projector. Put it between the JWS LEDs and the HID projector in the performance hierarchy.
You'll spend somewhere in the low $500 range with shipping.
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Don't forget the SMS bi-halogen projector. Put it between the JWS LEDs and the HID projector in the performance hierarchy.
You'll spend somewhere in the low $500 range with shipping.
Thanks, Bill, I not sure if the bi-halogen you mention & the hid I mention are the same light. Does SMS make/sell both?
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Thanks, Bill, I not sure if the bi-halogen you mention & the hid I mention are the same light. Does SMS make/sell both?
Yes --- with the help of Hella. And, I suspect that Dan Stern had input.
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They work but not perfectly.
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It's a good solution at a good price point if you can handle the one shortcoming.

Chris didn't want to keep them and I'm sending them back to Trucklite.
Thanks again for all your help. I guess I could wait to see if they come out soon, especially since I don't have my JK yet !
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For over a year now I've been happy with my Cibie kit from DS but I've been eyeing up these LEDs from JW and Trucklite (and now maybe the SMS 90mm). I've also been liking the color temperature from the Audi's (other car) LEDs more than the halogens. Hilldweller's numbers look good for the LEDs and I don't think either LED will disappoint. For the folks who have switched from Cibies or Hellas have you regretted it?

Any comments from folks who haven't switched is also welcomed.

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I am perfectly happy with my Cibies and SMS harness. If the price on J W Speakers or TruckLites ever comes down I may consider them. But for now I am content.
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I can't find the post right now, but someone asked if LED's generate enough heat to melt snow in the winter. The reply was no. Excellent question, I live in Michigan, and than would make LED's a non-starter for me. Anyone out there with experience with LED's in ice & snow?
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I am perfectly happy with my Cibies and SMS harness. If the price on J W Speakers or TruckLites ever comes down I may consider them. But for now I am content.
I would say the same. I actually just worked with DS to pick up higher power Phillips bulbs--although I must say I like the Osrams better. I get bored quickly and always am interested in trying new stuff.

I'm also thinking of picking up an after market bumper with a bull bar and while it's doable, I'd rather not be squeezing the grille in and out changing bulbs. With the LEDs I won't have to worry about this.
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I would say the same. I actually just worked with DS to pick up higher power Phillips bulbs--although I must say I like the Osrams better. I get bored quickly and always am interested in trying new stuff.

I'm also thinking of picking up an after market bumper with a bull bar and while it's doable, I'd rather not be squeezing the grille in and out changing bulbs. With the LEDs I won't have to worry about this.
You can change bulbs without removing the grille. Go from the backside.
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For this price, the Trucklites were about the same as I paid for my Cibies and harness. Truck-Lite 7'' Round LED Headlamp, Complex Reflector Optics Design (Single Unit) Phase 7 27270C

Perhaps the price is already coming down.

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