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Old 10-29-2012, 08:33 PM   #721
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Hilledewilder can give a better answer, but here's my opinion: The Hella & Cibie lense & reflector assemblies have been around a long time, with well developed optics. The SMS wiring harness overlay takes main power directly from the battery giving a higher voltage at the lights. All in all, Hella & Cibie are both superior to IPF.
Sounds like there will be some wiring involved in those. I am mostly looking for something plug and play and better than OEM. If I am spending $300-400 on something like these, I might as well spend $100-200 more and pay for truck-lites or similar.

Looking for something for $100-200

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Sounds like there will be some wiring involved in those. I am mostly looking for something plug and play and better than OEM. If I am spending $300-400 on something like these, I might as well spend $100-200 more and pay for truck-lites or similar.

Looking for something for $100-200
The wiring is a complete plug & play harness, no cutting or splicing involved. Plenty of people her have done this mod, so plenty of help. For under $200 about your only choice is to change the h13 bulbs to higher power ones, a marginal improvement. For about $250 you can add driving lights, but this is not plug & play, if you want to have them come on with your high beams. I have a write up on this early in this thread. The Hella's with the SMS harness & upgraded h4 bulbs will be under $300, probably the lowest cost for a good improvement. Cibie's with harness from Daniel Stern will be around $400. It goes up from here.

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Tumbler ==Also look into the CIBIE Lights from Daniel Stern Lighting and the wiring hardness too. Under $400 and this is not LED or HID Lights. They have been talked about before here.
^This. Great combination. I ordered everything thru DS; he had the harness made and shipped from Susquehanna Motorsports.
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:33 AM   #725
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The wiring is a complete plug & play harness, no cutting or splicing involved. Plenty of people her have done this mod, so plenty of help. For under $200 about your only choice is to change the h13 bulbs to higher power ones, a marginal improvement. For about $250 you can add driving lights, but this is not plug & play, if you want to have them come on with your high beams. I have a write up on this early in this thread. The Hella's with the SMS harness & upgraded h4 bulbs will be under $300, probably the lowest cost for a good improvement. Cibie's with harness from Daniel Stern will be around $400. It goes up from here.
Thanks, its good to know that they are plug and play. I will have to look more into the Hellas.

If I changed out the H13 bulbs for the Phillips X-treme, would my highbeam still function?


Thank you, these links make me want to stay away from IPF Headlights.
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......If I changed out the H13 bulbs for the Phillips X-treme, would my highbeam still function?
Yes.
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So what's the verdict on the recon signal/fender led lights? It sounds like everyone has had issues but there are no follow up posts about a fix. Did everyone just pull these from their rig all together? Is this simply a product to avoid all together? At some point down the road I would like to replace the amber lens with either clear or smoked (black JKUR). I could just go with the 60 dollar replacement kit for all four as clear but would be willing to spend a little more for led's. I'm guessing it will look better since the headlights are JW speakers.
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I just ordered my H13's a few minutes ago. Wanted the wait until the last minute possible being that I don't actually have a Wrangler yet....but I still wanted to catch the rebate (which ends today).
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I just ordered my H13's a few minutes ago. Wanted the wait until the last minute possible being that I don't actually have a Wrangler yet....but I still wanted to catch the rebate (which ends today).
Just ordered the same on Amazon as well. $24.35 after rebate. If it does the job better that what I've got today, I'll be pleased
Can't beat the price

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Anyone using eiko clesr vision supremes with solux?
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Anyone using eiko clesr vision supremes with solux?
I'll bite, what is it?
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Anyone using eiko clesr vision supremes with solux?
Check out this link:
Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

They are most likely not the best product to buy. Hildwelder can give the tech details.
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Old 11-03-2012, 05:33 PM   #734
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If your ordering a headlight harness from Ray have him add a wire to the high beam output that you can use to trigger a relay for accessory lights from your high beams. That's what I did and I will be running Trucklite phase 7 and a rigid SR-20 very soon. 8000 lumens total.
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And here are the photos of the light patterns during the test. They don't do the lights justice at all ---- it was pitch dark outside and my camera isn't what it used to be. You also can't tell just how long this dirt road was, how wide, etc.
The numbers speak for themselves though; the lights did better than all of the previous entries.
Thanks for the price cut, Dave. And the good product.

Here's the 90mm bi-halogen on lowbeam:


Highbeam:


And with the Hella 4000s burning:
I like the output of those lights. Iíve seen them on a Dakar bike. However, the bulb life of less than a week seems sketchy for a daily driver.
The bulbs are fairly cheap at $10-20 but swapping them out every couple of months and the increased likelihood that youíd end up either needing to do it on the road or drive around with one light until you got home kind of makes me second guess them. As does the unpainted ABS filler rings. One of my track cars had unpainted ABS that was exposed to sunlight and it deteriorated in no time even though it was kept in a shop most of the time and only taken out for track days.

As for looks, that would all be a matter of opinion, but Iíd personally prefer they had a lens to protect the projector and mounting ring. I do actually do 90% of my driving in the dark and a lot of it is on back roads where wild life could pop out at anytime so, I need good headlights.

Iíve seen the trucklites and didnít really think that much of them; same with the Speakers. Iíve been looking at the Cibie 7Ē but have only seen the Zs in person and I canít find those.
So, seeing as how youíve seen more than your fare share of lights and you certainly appear to know what youíre talking about. How do the Hella projectors compare to the Cibie 7Ē?
Legalities aside since, in Texas at least, you really arenít going to have trouble with anyone unless your lights are too blue or blind other drivers. What do you think the best headlight is for a Wrangler?
Iíve been reading candlepower and this thread for the past week and Cibie 7 Z patterns seem to be the lights no one complains about.
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So, seeing as how youíve seen more than your fare share of lights and you certainly appear to know what youíre talking about. How do the Hella projectors compare to the Cibie 7Ē?
Legalities aside since, in Texas at least, you really arenít going to have trouble with anyone unless your lights are too blue or blind other drivers. What do you think the best headlight is for a Wrangler?
The Hella 90mm with H9 runs circles around all of the H4 products.
H4s have a limit; any dual filament bulb does.

The best you can get now? The 90mm bi-xenon projector from SMS. It's pricey though.
Maybe their LED version too but that's really pricey as well.

There's a compromise that has to be made in all of the choices.
Like you say, changing a bulb can suck. But halogen makes a nice color of light to see by.
Forever lights like the LEDs are nice --- but there's that color temperature and weird light pattern to deal with.
HID (legal, that is) is great for lumen count, peripheral vision, but also is very pricey and has a poor color rendering.

As for suggesting the best of the not-legal lights? I have no idea really. The ones that are easy to do have terrible focus. The ones that are harder to do can fall apart.
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They are bulbs for the headlamps
At first glance they just look like blue coated bulbs. The video is sorta silly and useless ---- what are the test protocols?
C'mon.

I'd stick a meter to them though. I never pass up the chance to test something...

I tested some Dually lights over the weekend.
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The Hella 90mm with H9 runs circles around all of the H4 products.
H4s have a limit; any dual filament bulb does.

The best you can get now? The 90mm bi-xenon projector from SMS. It's pricey though.
Maybe their LED version too but that's really pricey as well.

There's a compromise that has to be made in all of the choices.
Like you say, changing a bulb can suck. But halogen makes a nice color of light to see by.
Forever lights like the LEDs are nice --- but there's that color temperature and weird light pattern to deal with.
HID (legal, that is) is great for lumen count, peripheral vision, but also is very pricey and has a poor color rendering.

As for suggesting the best of the not-legal lights? I have no idea really. The ones that are easy to do have terrible focus. The ones that are harder to do can fall apart.


Thank you sir, thatís exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. Now to decide if I can get used to the looks of the Hella 90mm setup. If only they had lenses to protect the projectors and mounting rings. Lenses might also help them blend in better and stand out less.
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...Now to decide if I can get used to the looks of the Hella 90mm setup. If only they had lenses to protect the projectors and mounting rings. Lenses might also help them blend in better and stand out less.
I think that Dave has a couple of clear trim rings.
You could install them with something like this sprayed on the inside of them?
A frosted clear ring might look enough like the lens for it to blend together.
Or paint the ring to match the Jeep? You'd have to prep the ring and use good paint...

I use this "frosting" on some of my light projects around the house to diffuse LEDs. I have it on the light in the galley of my trailer and have even used white paint to block some of the stray artifacts.
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TexMedic I do not believe they are making the CIBIE Z anymore just the Cibie7, could be wrong check with Daniel Stern.
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I think that Dave has a couple of clear trim rings.
You could install them with something like this sprayed on the inside of them?
A frosted clear ring might look enough like the lens for it to blend together.
Or paint the ring to match the Jeep? You'd have to prep the ring and use good paint...

I use this "frosting" on some of my light projects around the house to diffuse LEDs. I have it on the light in the galley of my trailer and have even used white paint to block some of the stray artifacts.
Hmm, that's not a bad idea it might help it look less obvious by giving it the look of a lens from a distance. If this is route I end up taking I might try that out. I'd thought about painting the rings to match the body color.


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TexMedic I do not believe they are making the CIBIE Z anymore just the Cibie7, could be wrong check with Daniel Stern.

You are correct. Theyíve been out of production for years and are no longer available. There are some knock offs being made in India but those are crap. Only Cibie 7Ē now and Iím honestly not sure how good those are. My guess, probably comparable to the Hella 7Ē Vision Plus.
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You are correct. Theyíve been out of production for years and are no longer available. There are some knock offs being made in India but those are crap. Only Cibie 7Ē now and Iím honestly not sure how good those are. My guess, probably comparable to the Hella 7Ē Vision Plus.
I'd take the Cibie still.
The Z-Beams were sweet but Joel, who bought mine, had problems with one cracking and the other has leaked and has water damage.

I think that Daniel Stern might have some new-old Marchal housings (if you want something rare and cool).

The knock-offs are terrible from what I've been told.
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At first glance they just look like blue coated bulbs. The video is sorta silly and useless ---- what are the test protocols?
C'mon.

I'd stick a meter to them though. I never pass up the chance to test something...

I tested some Dually lights over the weekend.


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At first glance they just look like blue coated bulbs. The video is sorta silly and useless ---- what are the test protocols?
C'mon.

I'd stick a meter to them though. I never pass up the chance to test something...

I tested some Dually lights over the weekend.
How did the test of the Duallys go? Those are the lights Iím looking at getting to replace the stock fogs. Beam Pattern seems to be an argument as well as color. Read all I can on candlepower about it. Lots of back and forth but no real, world comparisons.

Laws get a little more involved with fogs depending on your state I guess. Mounting height, how far out the beam can be aimed, using driving lights without high beams on and such.
Rigid recommends the flood pattern. I can get behind that idea if they arenít radiating above the hood scattering light right in front of you. I kind of think the spot, maybe in yellow, would help penetrate the fog while keeping some contrast w But it wouldnít kick much light out to the sides.
What are your thoughts on fogs?
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I just ordered the Tuck-lite LEDs. I can't wait to install them.
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How did the test of the Duallys go? Those are the lights Iím looking at getting to replace the stock fogs. Beam Pattern seems to be an argument as well as color. Read all I can on candlepower about it. Lots of back and forth but no real, world comparisons.

Laws get a little more involved with fogs depending on your state I guess. Mounting height, how far out the beam can be aimed, using driving lights without high beams on and such.
Rigid recommends the flood pattern. I can get behind that idea if they arenít radiating above the hood scattering light right in front of you. I kind of think the spot, maybe in yellow, would help penetrate the fog while keeping some contrast w But it wouldnít kick much light out to the sides.
What are your thoughts on fogs?
Short answer: the Dually is NOT a foglight.

Rigid Industries Dually vs. D2 LED lights
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Short answer: the Dually is NOT a foglight.

Rigid Industries Dually vs. D2 LED lights
Thanks again for the response. Good information in those posts. Candlepower and Danielís posts are very informative. I actually learned a lot by reading them over the past couple of weeks. I felt kind of silly reading about lighting and having to rethink physics, which I havenít taken since premed. But I think I followed the conversations well enough. I concur with most of the findings. The white vs yellow for fogs thing I feel yellow doesnít blind me as much as white and I can see well with them. Not because of penetration but yellow doesnít seem like the water in the air is being lite up in the same way it does with white. There arenít many non-bling options for fogs in the factory location. I searched for selective yellow lights and didnít come across any and thought maybe the Duallys in the right pattern with yellow lenses might work. All I know is the factory lights seemed very weak so I donít think simply painting the lenses yellow would do any good.
Do you mind if I ask what you recommend and why?
Again thanks for your time and giving us the benefit of your knowledge.
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Do you mind if I ask what you recommend and why?
Again thanks for your time and giving us the benefit of your knowledge.
Call Dave at SMS and see if he's had luck in cramming a 90mm Hella foglight into those holes. You'd need a harness but they would rock.

On the cheap(er), the Pilots aren't terrible but you can't compare them to the Hella...

Best solution is to fit an aftermarket bumper and just use good lights. Fitting the Hella 90mm lights to an aftermarket bumper is a piece of cake.
Put a set of Hella 4000s or JW Speaker TS3000R on it for driving lights and your choice of Trucklite/JWS/SMS headlights....
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Short answer: the Dually is NOT a foglight.

Rigid Industries Dually vs. D2 LED lights
Good informative read!
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HD have you ever tested Vision X LED fogs (white or amber)?

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