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Old 11-25-2012, 11:36 AM   #871
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I've personally seen some police say that the LED light bars like rigid or whoever else, every LED is considered one light. I was told by a small town police officer that my 22" LED light bar was actually 40 individual lights... So each dually could count as 4 lights. I guess it depends on how much of an a-hole the police want to be.
By their "logic", vehicles with factory LED taillamps (such as certain Cadillacs) have multiple non-compliant taillamps per side because they use arrays of LEDs. I doubt they stop every so-equipped Cadillac for that "violation"... Sounds like that officer was just trying to flaunt his "authoritah".

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Old 11-25-2012, 01:59 PM   #872
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I've personally seen some police say that the LED light bars like rigid or whoever else, every LED is considered one light. I was told by a small town police officer that my 22" LED light bar was actually 40 individual lights... So each dually could count as 4 lights. I guess it depends on how much of an a-hole the police want to be.
Sec. 547.302. DUTY TO DISPLAY LIGHTS.
Not more than four of the following may be lighted at one time on the front of a motor vehicle:
(1) a headlamp required by this chapter; or
(2) a lamp, including an auxiliary lamp or spotlamp, that projects a beam with an intensity brighter than 300 candlepower.
That's in Texas but the same wording is found in the laws of different states. I believe most have wording that says Federal regulations determine what the general standards are. Like how bright it can be, how it has to be made and things like that.

I don’t want to go through the whole regulation but I am 99% sure the DOT defines a lamp as being a single unit if the parts are joined together by a common housing or lens.
If not, as AlaricD mentions too many every day cars would be out of compliance.
There are lots of reasons that a light could be illegal to use on the road but I don’t believe the number of lights inside a single housing is one of them. Don’t the JW Speaker 8700 lights have 4+ LEDs on a single headlight? Those are DOT/SAE stamped.
EDIT: What that cop told you is for sure B.S. I just double checked and two of my cars have more than 4 lights that are on in the front of the car. The Audi and GT-R both have multiple lights in each housing that come on. Both are stock as far as the lighting does.

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Old 11-25-2012, 03:27 PM   #873
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I agree.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:33 AM   #874
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Rigid has never said that their products are for use on-road; I wouldn't try to pass any of them off as such.

JW Speaker, otoh, does make DOT-compliant headlights and would come to your aid if you were challenged by an over zealous LEO.

I asked Alaric to join the forum because he knows more about lighting than I do. As he said, neither he nor I make a dime off lights, from vendors, etc. We do care about what works, what's legal, what's a value, what's safe.

I exchanged a few emails with JWS last week and I expect some new and exciting toys from them on the market in the future. They and Trucklite take this seriously and that only means good things for us.
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Tune in next week, same Bat time, same Bat channel.

While we may not always agree, a little debate now and then is a good thing.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:11 AM   #876
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Rigid has never said that their products are for use on-road; I wouldn't try to pass any of them off as such.

JW Speaker, otoh, does make DOT-compliant headlights and would come to your aid if you were challenged by an over zealous LEO.

I asked Alaric to join the forum because he knows more about lighting than I do. As he said, neither he nor I make a dime off lights, from vendors, etc. We do care about what works, what's legal, what's a value, what's safe.

I exchanged a few emails with JWS last week and I expect some new and exciting toys from them on the market in the future. They and Trucklite take this seriously and that only means good things for us.
i'm just giving you guys a hard time. the both of you are obviously more knowledgeable about lighting than I. However, as I stated before, there are options out there that have not been posted in here that some may be interested in regardless of the previously mentioned flaws. What would be the best choice imo is trucklites that don't require the pricey harness yet don't flicker.....i guess its just not a perfect world . I have heard rumor of a new adapter they are working on that will be inexpensive and solve these issues.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:28 PM   #877
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I've got the TL prototypes in my glovebox; they get the job done okay.
I still prefer a full-on harness for our type of service but their adapter will get the basic job done at a much friendlier price.

BTW, the JWS 8700 Evolutions don't have caps/resistors in them from the factory; even their newest lights need some sort of smoothing-out to defeat the PWM power. I'm sure they've got something up their sleeve for that though.

And I'm still hoping that Mother FIAT/Chrysler will offer a headlight package that works for the JK. I saw at least one of the MOPAR Skunkwerks JKs with JWS LED headlights at SEMA.
Seems like a smart thing for them to add ---- or at least their bi-HIR projectors that they give standard on my 500 or offfer as an option on the new RAM pickups.

C'mon, Jeep. Don't JK owners deserve to see where they're going at night?
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:34 PM   #878
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But with respect to white lighting, would the Hella or Cibie be best?
If I wanted a halogen that worked well and was fairly white, I'd get the Cibie H4 kit from Dan Stern and fit one of his whiter bulbs. The Phillips Xtreme Vision or Xtreme Power has a little strip of tint on it to make it white-ish.
The Osram Rallye 70/65 is bright but isn't quite as white.
And I think that Narva has a bulb with a slight tint now too. The Rangepower Blue or something. At least it's not a PIAA or Sylvania Silverstar....
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Rigid has never said that their products are for use on-road; I wouldn't try to pass any of them off as such.

JW Speaker, otoh, does make DOT-compliant headlights and would come to your aid if you were challenged by an over zealous LEO.

I asked Alaric to join the forum because he knows more about lighting than I do. As he said, neither he nor I make a dime off lights, from vendors, etc. We do care about what works, what's legal, what's a value, what's safe.

I exchanged a few emails with JWS last week and I expect some new and exciting toys from them on the market in the future. They and Trucklite take this seriously and that only means good things for us.
So I should wait to order Speaker stuff to see the new lights? I was just considering the 8700 Evo and 6045 driving lights...
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WOW! How much in total for all those JW Speaker lights?
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:01 AM   #882
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Holy moly.... [/drool.off]


Nicely done.
You're from Wisconsin? Close to the JWS site maybe?
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I am looking to put a set of compact spots on the A-pillars. I don't want a lot of reduction in visibility. I was looking at rigid industry's dually LED spot light's. Are they worth the money? Are the small enough to be out of the way? Thanks fellow W-Fers.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:34 AM   #884
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I am looking to put a set of compact spots on the A-pillars. I don't want a lot of reduction in visibility. I was looking at rigid industry's dually LED spot light's. Are they worth the money? Are the small enough to be out of the way? Thanks fellow W-Fers.
I have the d2s on my a pillar and you can't see the housings from in the jeep. As for if they are worth the money they are incredibly bright and light up the road with ease I'd buy them again in a second.
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:21 AM   #885
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I am looking to put a set of compact spots on the A-pillars. I don't want a lot of reduction in visibility. I was looking at rigid industry's dually LED spot light's. Are they worth the money? Are the small enough to be out of the way? Thanks fellow W-Fers.
I got the Rigid Dually's on my pillars love em.
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I am looking to put a set of compact spots on the A-pillars. I don't want a lot of reduction in visibility. I was looking at rigid industry's dually LED spot light's. Are they worth the money? Are the small enough to be out of the way? Thanks fellow W-Fers.
I have Rigid Dually's (spot) that I will mount in that same location and a pair of floods that i will mount on my rear ACE bumper.

Tuff Stuff makes a Dually knock off at a friendlier price. I ordered a set and will try to post if anyone is interested.
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After driving out in rural areas I also noticed how dim the lights are on my 13" JKU. I decided yesterday on the Trucklights. Called Discount Fleet, who had the best price of course and the extra discount for WF members. Had to delay my order though, since the salesman didn't know what I was talking about with the flicker and the new adapter TL was going to be sending out in November for their Phase 7's. Told him to call me when he and TL are on the same page.
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Should i connect the Duallys with a relay? What would I gain by adding a relay to a 10a or 15a circuit when the Rigid Duallys only have a 1a draw?
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Should i connect the Duallys with a relay? What would I gain by adding a relay to a 10a or 15a circuit when the Rigid Duallys only have a 1a draw?
I mounted Dually D2s at the windshield, the kit came with a relay. I agree that the relay may not be necessary given the low wattage but it's good to have circuits protected especially given the cost of a set of D2s.
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Question for everyone on mounting the D2's.

Is there a very noticable difference between putting them on the windshield vs putting them on the bumper? I can see you would maybe get a bit more range and spread up on the windshield, but does it give you glare off of the hood?

I, like a dummy, mounted them on the bumper, then put my skid plate back up before seeing that my passenger side D2 was angled in, not straight or out. DOH! So I have to take the skid plate off again anyway to straighten it, just wonder if I should go for the windshield mounts instead.
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Question for everyone on mounting the D2's.

Is there a very noticable difference between putting them on the windshield vs putting them on the bumper? I can see you would maybe get a bit more range and spread up on the windshield, but does it give you glare off of the hood?

I, like a dummy, mounted them on the bumper, then put my skid plate back up before seeing that my passenger side D2 was angled in, not straight or out. DOH! So I have to take the skid plate off again anyway to straighten it, just wonder if I should go for the windshield mounts instead.
I can't attest to the difference between the bumper and windshield mounts because I've only had them mounted on the windshield. As far as the glare goes, I haven't noticed but then I have a dark colored hood. Some people darken their hood with this vinyl sticker from Pixledecals.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:22 AM   #892
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I bought my 2012 sport used with HID headlights. But I seem to be blinding everyone on the road. What do I need to fix this?
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I bought my 2012 sport used with HID headlights. But I seem to be blinding everyone on the road. What do I need to fix this?
The short answer is remove and replace them. Many good/excellent choices mentioned in this thread. The only legal HID projectors come from SMS (rallylights.com).
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The short answer is remove and replace them. Many good/excellent choices mentioned in this thread. The only legal HID projectors come from SMS (rallylights.com).
I figured that would be the case. It took me a while to realize why people would drive like crap in front of me. Because I was blinding them. Thanks
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I figured that would be the case. It took me a while to realize why people would drive like crap in front of me. Because I was blinding them. Thanks
Have fun choosing new headlights. Post pictures of the old ones with your comments so others can understand your problems. The brand of projector would be good info as well.
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I mounted Dually D2s at the windshield, the kit came with a relay. I agree that the relay may not be necessary given the low wattage but it's good to have circuits protected especially given the cost of a set of D2s.
I think the regular Dually's just have an inline fuse can't remember seeing a relay. Either way relay or in line fuse the lights and veh are protected.
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Holy moly.... [/drool.off]


Nicely done.
You're from Wisconsin? Close to the JWS site maybe?
Looks great! I have the 8700 evo's and 6045 fogs. How do you like the 6" JW's? And, which version are they? Thanks!
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I mounted Dually D2s at the windshield, the kit came with a relay. I agree that the relay may not be necessary given the low wattage but it's good to have circuits protected especially given the cost of a set of D2s.
A relay doesn't properly protect a circuit, definitely want an inline fuse located no more than 18 from the battery.
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I'd rather see Susquehanna put togehter a kit to retrofit these:

Doubt that'd ever happen as the housings on these things are huge. I briefly looked into getting them. And, they are STUPID expensive, like over $1,000 each.

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