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Old 09-28-2013, 10:30 AM   #1
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Almost got nailed!

Last night I was waiting to turn left onto my buddys street. His sub is off a 2 way road with no turning lane. So as I'm waiting for traffic to clear in the oncoming lane, I glance into my rearview and see headlights screaming towards me! As fast as this pt cruiser was going, I thought for sure he was going to fly right into the back of me. I put my foot on the brake (5 speed) so that I wouln't roll forward; expecting to get hit.
Then at the last second he pulled right, over the gravel shoulder and into a field that dips lower than the road towards a large canal. Luckily there was no accident!
Has anyone been unfortunate enought to have their Jeep hit?

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Well, the way I see it there was an accident, you caused him to go off the road. You stop in the road, at night, your foot is not on the brakes ( rear break lights not lighted up ) Ya he might have been speeding too but if you had your blinker on and your foot on the brake this more the likely would not have happen.
Notice you said "at the last second he pulled right" He pulled right because it wasn't until you put your foot on the brakes did he see you were stopped.

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Old 09-28-2013, 06:12 PM   #3
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Lucky he didn't come back and start swinging.
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Old 09-28-2013, 06:27 PM   #4
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Yea: that looks like it woulda been *your* bad bro! He was probably zoned out on way home from work or something...didn't register you were stopped till you hit the brakes and lit up the rear...then it registered and he did make a move to avoid an accident. Good for him...bad on you! lol.

I have been hit 3 times. One time, while sitting in traffic in front of a 7-11, some old guy made a left in front of me from oncoming traffic, into the 7-11. I watched his face: he never looked at me: only over at the 7-11. I was standing still and he ran into the passenger side corner of my lifted Sahara. His car was a Maxima, tan, real nice looking car...till my bumper tore the side of his car off from the front quarter panel to the passenger door! Hood was mangled, sound was sickening! My bumper was like a can opener! Tore it right up...we both went to the parking lot and the guy was like "Didn't you *see* me.."? and I'm like "Wut wut?" "Dude" I said, "I wasn't even moving! In traffic, the car in front of me moved forward and you pulled right into the lot in front of me"! And from the damage, the cop had to agree...

The other 2 times were people rear-ending me...all 3 times, I had nothing but small scratches on my bumper...Gotta love these little tanks we drive!
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How is this in anyway the Ops fault? The OP was stopped, waiting to turn how any driver should be, were as the opposing car was most likely a distracted driver not knowing there was a vehicle completely stopped in front of them, so on the last second they swerve. I've seen a lot of distracted drivers do this, except they weren't fortunate enough to have a gravel road on the side and went straight into the back of the other vehicle. Glad your OK, be weary of all the stupid distracted drivers out there.
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Old 09-28-2013, 07:20 PM   #6
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How is this in anyway the Ops fault? The OP was stopped, waiting to turn how any driver should be, were as the opposing car was most likely a distracted driver not knowing there was a vehicle completely stopped in front of them, so on the last second they swerve. I've seen a lot of distracted drivers do this, except they weren't fortunate enough to have a gravel road on the side and went straight into the back of the other vehicle. Glad your OK, be weary of all the stupid distracted drivers out there.
I agree with this, and so would your insurance company.
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...because it sounds like (according to his own posts) he was turning, but he didn't have his brake lights illuminated...a great little indicator that someone it slowing or stopped! It does sound like the op saw him and THEN applied the brakes illuminating his lights causing other driver to veer. If this was indeed the case, just might be op fault.
If not, then who knows.
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Chances are that a cell phone was involved.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:22 PM   #9
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I don't understand. If some guy is flying and does not notice the red lights getting closer directly in front of him, then I would say that its his fault for not paying attention. If his turn signal wasn't on then it would be another story, but the other drive was not paying attention. Everyone says "I didn't see any brake lights!" when they rear end you. Your word vs. theirs. And ill bet if he did hit him anyone who saw the accident would vouch for him... at least with having his turn signals on.
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At night with headlights on. So the brake lights are illuminated all the time. Additionally, I always use my blinkers. No way, shape, or form it could have been MY fault.
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Hey at least there's one less pos pt cruiser on the road.
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At night with headlights on. So the brake lights are illuminated all the time. Additionally, I always use my blinkers. No way, shape, or form it could have been MY fault.
Brakes lights, or tail lights? Huge difference. Did u actually have ur foot on the brake pedal?
You guys have never approached a car from behind that stopped without working brakes lights??? I have nearly hit a few cars in my day this way. It is very common.
Still gonna have to disagree with the op here.
Because I also ride, I am always aware of cars behind me at all times...especially at night while turning like this. Good practice to, first of all, use ur brake lights, and, second, to maybe flash ur brake lights a few times if u see him coming quickly.
Glad it turned out with zero casualties tho.
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I don't see how this is the OP's fault. Regardless of his brake lights, it is the responsibility of the other driver to watch where he is going. If the other driver was paying attention and not speeding, he would have seen the turn signal.
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Brakes lights, or tail lights? Huge difference. Did u actually have ur foot on the brake pedal?
You guys have never approached a car from behind that stopped without working brakes lights??? I have nearly hit a few cars in my day this way. It is very common.
Still gonna have to disagree with the op here.
Because I also ride, I am always aware of cars behind me at all times...especially at night while turning like this. Good practice to, first of all, use ur brake lights, and, second, to maybe flash ur brake lights a few times if u see him coming quickly.
Glad it turned out with zero casualties tho.
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^ This. Us old folks don't see like you whippersnappers anymore, particularly at night. So the law mandates we have bright red lights visible from a distance, in Va it is 500' iirc, when we are slowing or stopped. Someone who has issues picking up depth would see you as a vehicle DRIVING in front of them, not stopped, even with a turn signal. Those don't mean "hey, I am stopped".

Maybe y'all also remember those flashing 3rd brakelights? They are for vehicles traveling at very low speeds or stopped, to further indicate to drivers behind you to slow down and prepare to stop. With all these modern conveniences, it is easy to complacently expect them - all the more reason to use something.

I sit just like that all the time... BUT as soon as a vehicle can see me, I hit the brakes. When they are stopped behind me, I may take my foot back off - but not until they stop. I never expect them to identify me as a stopped vehicle without brake lights (and I will usually flash them 2-3 times then hold them to indicate being stopped).

No offense intended, but it sounds like you both should have learned a lesson here.
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I've been hit by a distracted driver who assumed(just like the pt cruiser probably assumed that the jeep was moving) that I was turning and came over into my lane, hitting my driver's door and spun my jeep. Poor car was brand new when it hit me too.
Glad to know you're alright and nobody was injured
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The blinker should have been a good indicator that he was slowing or coming to a stop. Should he have had his foot already on the brake? Probably. Does this make it his fault by law if the other driver would have hit him? Defiantly not!
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The blinker should have been a good indicator that he was slowing or coming to a stop. Should he have had his foot already on the brake? Probably. Does this make it his fault by law if the other driver would have hit him? Defiantly not!
You can operate legally and still not make it home. Or you can make it Home, depending on how ya phrase it. Personally, I would rather do everything I could to be seen than explain why the code said I didn't have to. As I eluded to, some folks won't see, some won't recognize the depth, and some won't be paying attention at all. So one WILL hit you, nuthin to be done. But shouldn't we try to not be hit by the other two, regardless of whos fault it would be? That is my plan, anyway.

Lol at 'Defiantly Not!', btw. Gotta love autocorrect.
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You can operate legally and still not make it home. Or you can make it Home, depending on how ya phrase it. Personally, I would rather do everything I could to be seen than explain why the code said I didn't have to. As I eluded to, some folks won't see, some won't recognize the depth, and some won't be paying attention at all. So one WILL hit you, nuthin to be done. But shouldn't we try to not be hit by the other two, regardless of whos fault it would be? That is my plan, anyway.

Lol at 'Defiantly Not!', btw. Gotta love autocorrect.
Yea sometimes autocorrect does more harm than good

But like I already said, yes he could have probably done a better job. It still does not make it his fault. People that can't see well or have poor depth perception at night should not be driving.
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It really is simple, if you hit a vehicle in the rear YOU are at fault. Lights, blinkers, brakes, etc, be damned. YOU did not control your vehicle.
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Yea sometimes autocorrect does more harm than good

.... People that can't see well or have poor depth perception at night should not be driving.
You live in America, yes?

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It really is simple, if you hit a vehicle in the rear YOU are at fault. Lights, blinkers, brakes, etc, be damned. YOU did not control your vehicle.
Pull your brake light fuse and go stop on a country road at night. When you get slammed into, simply explain to the nice officer they hit you in the back and I am sure he will write them a ticket and head on. O_o
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You live in America, yes?



Pull your brake light fuse and go stop on a country road at night. When you get slammed into, simply explain to the nice officer they hit you in the back and I am sure he will write them a ticket and head on. O_o
Uh... not having any brake lights would be against the law. Not sure where you are going with the living in America comment.

The op did everything that was required by the law. I guess you are just looking for an argument? Are you a democrat?
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Uh... not having any brake lights would be against the law. Not sure where you are going with the living in America comment.

The op did everything that was required by the law. I guess you are just looking for an argument? Are you a democrat?
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People that can't see well or have poor depth perception at night should not be driving.
Perhaps you aren't familiar enough with our motorists, idk, but there is a great number of drivers who should not have a license that do. There are additional motorists who - gasp - drive without a license! And even others who - Lord save us - drink and then drive! All with little consequence even after causing an accident. So saying something like 'guns shouldn't be in schools' does not prevent them from getting there. Lots of folks should not drive - they do.

Dude says lights don't matter - you just illistrated that they do (my point), albeit in an argumentative fashion.

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You can operate legally and still not make it home. Or you can make it Home, depending on how ya phrase it. Personally, I would rather do everything I could to be seen than explain why the code said I didn't have to. As I eluded to, some folks won't see, some won't recognize the depth, and some won't be paying attention at all. So one WILL hit you, nuthin to be done. But shouldn't we try to not be hit by the other two, regardless of whos fault it would be? That is my plan, anyway.
As you can see, I didn't say he broke the law. I said it isn't a good idea to assume other drivers will always do what they should.

What strawman are you trying to present here? Typical...
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You live in America, yes?

Pull your brake light fuse and go stop on a country road at night. When you get slammed into, simply explain to the nice officer they hit you in the back and I am sure he will write them a ticket and head on. O_o
The vehicle with no lights may get an equipment ticket but the "fault" of the collision will still sit with the other vehicle.
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When I got rear ended a couple weeks ago (Georgia), the cop that arrived said the person that does the rear ending is ALWAYS at fault, regardless of what the person in front is doing. He even used an analogy that I could have been eating a burger and talking on my cell phone, swerving, and it still would have been the other person's fault. Also, if you're about to get rear ended, wouldn't you want to take your foot off the brake to reduce the damage?
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I've worked for a trucking company where a driver got cited for not using his turn signal when he got rear ended and was deemed at fault. I've also been riding with a friend when another car whipped into our line and for unknown reasons hit their brakes, and my buddy rear ended them. Thankfully, and this is key to this, two other drivers pulled over with us amd gave statements. My buddy was let go no fault, and other driver charged with reckless driving.
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This: "His sub is off a 2 way road with no turning lane." ...i got the impression he was making a left turn where he, technically, shouldn't have been? This would put him stopped, waiting to turn, when the guy behind him wouldn't have been expecting that....If not: I'm wrong and apologize for my comment....
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im not pointing blame on anyone but,,,,if and when i see a car speeding up on me while im stopped in the road im ready to take my foot off the brake and floor the skinny pedal while im pointing in a safe direction,, i have avoided several accedents this way,,,-----so while you are stopped for any reason construction zone, school bus, turning, always give yourself room ahead of you and look for excape area and keep watching your rear view and sides.,,,---never can be to safe...--if you are ever hit best to roll with the punch..

just happy no one was hurt in your case..
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Anyone sayng this is ops fault needs their license revoked.
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This: "His sub is off a 2 way road with no turning lane." ...i got the impression he was making a left turn where he, technically, shouldn't have been? This would put him stopped, waiting to turn, when the guy behind him wouldn't have been expecting that....If not: I'm wrong and apologize for my comment....
No, that means he is where they didnt care enough to put a turning lane.......youve never been in such a place?
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I in nor cal if you are rearended it is the driver that hits you that is at fault very rare instances that the driver that rearends you is not at fault. law says you should not be close enough to rearend anybody.you are required to know what is going on around you by LAW

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