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Old 05-31-2012, 07:54 PM   #1
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Are you just buying the name?

OK the big question for the day... Are you just buy a name on products? I will start this out by asking.

KC Hilites, are you buying the name or are you buying a product? Are pilot just as good for half the price?

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Ill play along. Everything that I bought on my jeep was baught cause to me they were the best parts that I find for what I needed. Never bought anything on the jeep just cause of the name it hade on it.
Not that I never bought anything just for the name on it, I just havent done it on my jeep.

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The name comes with a good reputation of quality product in most cases
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OK the big question for the day... Are you just buy a name on products? I will start this out by asking.

KC Hilites, are you buying the name or are you buying a product? Are pilot just as good for half the price?
I buy based on two things; where it's made and quality.

If you're a musician, have you ever heard of a guitar speaker cabinet company called "Avatar?" The odds are that you probably haven't, but everyone's heard of "Marshall." I bought an Avatar for about 2/3 the price of a Marshall, plus it's a custom cabinet. While I'm NOT getting "the name," I AM getting a high quality product.

I'm really into guitars, and if it is not made in the USA, I won't even do so much as look at it, save for an Ibanez or ESP, and the only ones I'll look at are the ones made in their home country, Japan. I don't look at anything made by these companies in China, Indonesia, Korea, Mexico, etc. There are some things Americans do best and making instruments and 4x4s are two of them.

Now, I have a Jeep. The engine under the hood was made in America, and my Jeep was assembled by American workers. Is that a good thing? I'm not sure, but time will tell. Toyota Camrys are made in the USA and they're some of the most reliable vehicles on the road, so the "lazy American worker" stereotype just isn't all that valid to me.

I want to modify my Jeep. I want a lift kit, wheels, bumper, and winch. I'm not having much luck finding parts made in the USA. That means I'm probably not going to have a modified Jeep. There's no way in Hell I'll be putting cheap-ass, Shittybilt (Smittybilt) or Trough Country (Rough Country) parts on my Jeep, as they're made in China.

Now, I'm going off on a rant. Exit, stage right...
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Reason I was asking about the kc because...
I was online yesterday and saw numerous kc light only two lights per pack. They were $1,000. Cool, but for two lights. Why?
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Reason I was asking about the kc because...
I was online yesterday and saw numerous kc light only two lights per pack. They were $1,000. Cool, but for two lights. Why?
$1000 for TWO lights? WTF are they made of, gold?
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Reason I was asking about the kc because...
I was online yesterday and saw numerous kc light only two lights per pack. They were $1,000. Cool, but for two lights. Why?
I got two KC Daylighters for about 160 175 for 130w and housings and bulbs plus the relay and all the wiring. They work fantastic. If I had 4 or 500 I would have went with some HID'S
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http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=855564_0_0_
$900

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=887113_0_0_
$1100

Theses are just a few. Why? It looks like they are selling the name!
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I personally don't believe KC is top of the line honestly. Its a company that's been around for a while but I figured since they might get ripped off by thieves smacked by a large rock why put anything else on
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I buy based on two things; where it's made and quality.

If you're a musician, have you ever heard of a guitar speaker cabinet company called "Avatar?" The odds are that you probably haven't, but everyone's heard of "Marshall." I bought an Avatar for about 2/3 the price of a Marshall, plus it's a custom cabinet. While I'm NOT getting "the name," I AM getting a high quality product.

I'm really into guitars, and if it is not made in the USA, I won't even do so much as look at it, save for an Ibanez or ESP, and the only ones I'll look at are the ones made in their home country, Japan. I don't look at anything made by these companies in China, Indonesia, Korea, Mexico, etc. There are some things Americans do best and making instruments and 4x4s are two of them.

Now, I have a Jeep. The engine under the hood was made in America, and my Jeep was assembled by American workers. Is that a good thing? I'm not sure, but time will tell. Toyota Camrys are made in the USA and they're some of the most reliable vehicles on the road, so the "lazy American worker" stereotype just isn't all that valid to me.

I want to modify my Jeep. I want a lift kit, wheels, bumper, and winch. I'm not having much luck finding parts made in the USA. That means I'm probably not going to have a modified Jeep. There's no way in Hell I'll be putting cheap-ass, Shittybilt (Smittybilt) or Trough Country (Rough Country) parts on my Jeep, as they're made in China.

Now, I'm going off on a rant. Exit, stage right...
I believe the later YJs And early TJs had the AX5 AX15 which is made is Japan. And as for Toyota they are engineered is Japan and assembled in the USA. Don't be fooled. All though I trust the Japanese on basically all their engineering they are very intelligent. All the top of the line dirt bikes and street bikes are all Japanese
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Talk of buying a name if you have a JK and scrape the paint off in the right spot it says "Durango".
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I believe the later YJs And early TJs had the AX5 AX15 which is made is Japan. And as for Toyota they are engineered is Japan and assembled in the USA. Don't be fooled. All though I trust the Japanese on basically all their engineering they are very intelligent. All the top of the line dirt bikes and street bikes are all Japanese
No doubt, they are very intelligent, but at the end of the day, the parts are only as good as the person assembling them.
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No doubt, they are very intelligent, but at the end of the day, the parts are only as good as the person assembling them.
Agreed
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Two things:

1) These are 8 1/4" lights, not the normal 6" lights.
2) These are HID's not Halogens like normal.

The halogen lights are only $460 from KC, or $260 ish on amazon.
The normal 6" are $220 from KC, or $120 ish on amazon.


Also, I have bought "no-name" long range lights, and KC long range lights and the KCs were hands down the better light. Brighter, wider and longer beam. They chage the high prices because they actually use the quality materials.
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Two things:

1) These are 8 1/4" lights, not the normal 6" lights.
2) These are HID's not Halogens like normal.
what is the difference between HID's and halogens

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=437303_0_0_
Here are some 6inch and they are $999.99
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About $880...

HIDs produce light differently than a halogen. HIDs also produce more lumens (a measure of the amount of light / brightness) per watt (power consumed, volts * amps)

So with the standard 130 watt kc daylighters (halogen), your using around 11 amps per light, or about 22 amps per pair. (12 volts * 11 amps = 132 watts)

The 35 watt HIDs produce about as much light as the standard daylighters, but at 35 watts, your using about 3 amps per light or 6 amps total (12 volts * 3 amps= 36 watts)

This could become an issue if you are putting a ton of lights on. 3 pairs of standard 130w KC daylighters would be an almost 66 amp load added to your electrical system. A stock jeep alternator is around 100 +/- amps and thats running over 1500 rpm, probably closer to 2000+. at idle you are not making as much. Similar to your engine bogging down when you are winching, it is a very high amp load.

LED lights are even more efficient.

High-intensity discharge lamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Halogen lamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ok ok good info. But still I don't think I will spend over 200 on lights anytime soon
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Talk of buying a name if you have a JK and scrape the paint off in the right spot it says "Durango".
Now thats funny i dont care who you are. I used to think the same thing about YJs when i had a CJ...There seems to be a pattern here.
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Now thats funny i dont care who you are. I used to think the same thing about YJs when i had a CJ...There seems to be a pattern here.
I see the pattern. For me I hated JK's at first. Then I realized it isn't the jeep I hate, because the JK's are probably the best out there along the lines of stock performance. I more hate the people I know that drive JK's, some are people that bought a Jeep to by a Jeep no other reason. The hatred of the JK's shouldn't be at the jeep but more towards the drivers that buy them and don't use then tithe fullest of a jeep. That is just my opinion.
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No doubt, they are very intelligent, but at the end of the day, the parts are only as good as the person assembling them.
i beg to pardon...how does that make any sense at all?...because i get paid more...and can screw a screw into a predesigned hole...that somehow makes the product better?....

the thing that makes a quality product is the designing and materials used...the assembly has very little to do with "how good a product is"
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HID is a white-ish blue light that is much brighter and the range is much better. Not sure but I believe the bulbs last much longer as well but also much more expensive. You need a ballast to run them too. Halogen is your standard h3 bulb. H4 bulb works great but you would need to update your housing and possibly your wiring
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I buy based on two things; where it's made and quality.



I want to modify my Jeep. I want a lift kit, wheels, bumper, and winch. I'm not having much luck finding parts made in the USA. That means I'm probably not going to have a modified Jeep.
You are not looking hard enough then. The only thing on my Jeep that is not made in the U.S.A. is the wheels. I didnt find that out till after I got them or I would have went a diffrent rought. Its the only way to go if you are trying to build a tough Jeep.

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You are not looking hard enough then. The only thing on my Jeep that is not made in the U.S.A. is the wheels. I didnt find that out till after I got them or I would have went a diffrent rought. Its the only way to go if you are trying to build a tough Jeep.

Which brands do I need to be looking into? I've hit some sites of companies who claim their products are made in the USA, and while their products may be, they're selling el-cheapo stuff from other manufacturers as well.

My dealership was trying to push me into TROUGH Country lifts or Rubicon Express. I'm not familiar with Rubicon Express but I know the TROUGH Country products are made elsewhere.
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You have to look into companys that you wont find in catalogs. Folks like Rockkrawler, Poisionspyder, RiverRaider, Rockhard 4x4, ACE, and a few onthes that i cant think of off the top of my head.. Just look into any company and see if they fab what they sell in house. If they dont odds are that they come from china.
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You have to look into companys that you wont find in catalogs. Folks like Rockkrawler, Poisionspyder, RiverRaider, Rockhard 4x4, ACE, and a few onthes that i cant think of off the top of my head.. Just look into any company and see if they fab what they sell in house. If they dont odds are that they come from china.
Thanks! I'll have to look into those companies.

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