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Old 12-17-2007, 04:53 PM   #31
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Well if i lived in an area were there were some rocks i might enjoy doing that. Im afraid all we have are wood trails and stuff around here. Maybe in western North Dakota a person might find some rocks. Kinda far for me though ... i like stickin within a couple hundred miles from home for wheeling.
I completely agree. In fact and this is not meant to degrade anyone one particular kind of wheeling and is just my opinion. But if I lived somewhere that Mud was my only wheeling option I'd probably be more into boats or restoring cars than wheeling. I just prefer rock crawling.

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I completely agree. In fact and this is not meant to degrade anyone one particular kind of wheeling and is just my opinion. But if I lived somewhere that Mud was my only wheeling option I'd probably be more into boats or restoring cars than wheeling. I just prefer rock crawling.
way to go! i am about to go to school for this.

i like my manual when i'm racing someone

but on the rocks i would much rather have an auto

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Old 12-17-2007, 07:07 PM   #33
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Manual For rocks a auto is nice.
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I have an auto. When I was being taught stick I couldn't reach the clutch and there was screaming..... I have a permanent twitch when I try to drive stick.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:53 PM   #35
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Stick to the Stick!

Why do I prefer a stick to an automatic? Better gas mileage, permits use of engine to brake on steep hills and mountains, far less cost for repairs and maintenance, keeps many others from driving my vehicle (though my wife can drive a manual well), better pulling power with less slippage and, most of all, I feel like I'm in total control! (No control issues here!)
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Old 12-18-2007, 01:58 PM   #36
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I have had them both and I can honestly say, I much prefer an automatic trans for my Jeep.

It's way easier to control when rock crawling. My wife can drive it (yes, you need to share the fun once in a while and inspire some new drivers). My 10 old son can drive it too.

For my '71 Torino GT - you simply can't be the 4 speed experience. It quantifies the driving experience.
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Old 12-18-2007, 03:15 PM   #37
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My last Car Was and Automatic . Never again as long as I can drive a manual tranny.
My TJ has the 5 spd and I love it specially When I got stuck in the mud.
Manual tranny are more reliable in my own opinion.
Specially with a death battery in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:46 PM   #38
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TONIGHT ON AMERICAN JEEPER......TEXT IN YOUR VOTE........

Manual are better for Fuel Mpg, Repair, Climbing, Maintinence......
But Sucks for me and taking my 6 year old daughter Off-Highway and getting some Pics. Autos and blocks on Pedals Rule for that...
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btw its even 50-50 right now, imkminda suprised i thought auto would be winning or at least it wouldnt be a tie!
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auto or manual trans?????

which do you guys think is better for wheeling? dd? are there any downsides to the auto trans in a wrangler? im looking at a 98 with an auto and will be lifting it and putting on prob 35'' tires and wheeling it. basically will the auto hold up or should i find a manual. iv been driving manual my whole life but i really like this jeep. i wont be hardcore wheeling as it will be my dd. any thoughts?
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The tougher the trail, the more an automatic shines. More low-end torque, an infinitely low 1st gear ratio, and on difficult obstacles, much (!) better control. This is why I am converting my 5-speed to an automatic, the new auto tranny is in my garage awaiting Christmas to get over to begin the conversion.
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The tougher the trail, the more an automatic shines. More low-end torque, an infinitely low 1st gear ratio, and on difficult obstacles, much (!) better control.
I agree the only downsides are slight reduction in highway milage and compression brakeing suffers abit without a lock up converter.

I cant see me going back to manual
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I like the auto..2003+ has a lockup converter too.
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Its a jeep, get a stick.

leave the automatic for your grandmother
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I like the auto I've wheeled a stick for years and when I got my jeep I looked for an auto
I was tired of the stick in the rocks trying to give it gas use the clutch and brake all at once

the down side my mj has a stick and 4.56 gears on 35's and in 4low plus 1rst gear its lower then my tj with the auto and 4.56 gears on 35's
the stick you don't have to worry about over heating your trans on the trails
but just put a tranny cooler in the auto you will be fine

I'm glad I have the auto just wish it was the overdrive trans



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Old 12-21-2007, 04:37 AM   #47
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Per capita, you will most likely find those in favor of automatics for serious climbing, and I can't take a side on that issue.

I can however simply offer this humble observation. When I control what my transmission does, (because really, the ones who prefer the automatic for climbing are really saying they don't want the clutch as part of the equasion, and it's not really about the shifter itself), I find that I can regulate the behavior of the motor within the parameters that "I" set. (right or wrong, in some cases).

the concept of total control (IMHO) seems to say something about the skill level of the operator, or lack thereof.

If you truly believe, as it would seem in your posting, that you may not necessarily be doing much extreme climbing all that often, why not stick with what you are most used to, (and in your case, that seems to be a manual tranny). If there is some sort of deficit in operating with a manual, you'll find out, and can always change it later.

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Soupy1957, you infer that those of us who are recommending automatics have less skills, or that we don't really know how to drive with our manual transmissions. Not true. I learned to drive a stick in 1963 so that gives me over 40 years of experience driving manual transmissions. Is that enough experience for you? So far on my '97 TJ that has a 5-speed manual transmission, I have put 175,000 HARD miles on it. I dare say I can handle the transmission and clutch on the rocks as well as anyone. If I didn't know what I was doing with the manual transmission on the rocks, I dare say I wouldn't have gotten 167,000 miles out of the original clutch before swapping it as insurance against it finally going out in the middle of another run through Sledgehammer in Johnson Valley made earlier this year.

However, my first love in offroading is rock crawling. Get your butt out of Connecticut and come rock crawling with us out in the deserts of Southern California, especially in Johnson Valley where you you find the transmission of choice among the hardest-core rock crawlers you'll find is an automatic. It's getting pretty darned rare now to see anyone still wheeling that level of trail with a manual transmission.

Go to any championship level rock crawling event and you'll be VERY hard pressed to find more than a few manual transmissions. Competitors long-ago switched to various forms of automatic transmissions.

Why? It's not just for the simplistic view that it just gets rid of the clutch and makes things easier as you look down your nose at. The bigger reasons are the low-end torque multiplication the automatic's torque converter provides, and the infinitely low first gear ratio benefit that magical torque converter also provides. Hold your place on on a steep obstacle climb with a little gas, back down a tad to take a different line by letting off the gas a tad, a little more gas to inch back up as needed, etc. THAT is the added control you gain with an automatic that those who know WTF they're talking about are referring to.

Going with an automatic for harder trails like many of us do (check out my website, link below) is not because we are any less skillful with a manual transmission than you are. Get out on some 5+ rated (trails out here are rated 1-5) trails like we wheel on and you'll soon understand the benefits of an automatic transmission. Which is why I'm about to start the conversion to an automatic on my rock crawler TJ. The new auto tranny is sitting in my garage awaiting installation which should start next weekend. I'm about the last one still remaining with a manual transmission in the hardcore bunch I prefer and enjoy wheeling with.

Does all this mean you need to be a rock crawler to enjoy the benefits of an automatic transmission? Of course not. On easier trails, it doesn't matter what transmission you use. But on tougher trails that aren't always necessarily always full of rocks, the automatic transmission's benefits are still there. I'll say it again... the tougher the trail, the more an automatic shines. That is not limited solely to rock crawling. There are plenty of non-rock crawling trails all over the US that are tough enough to warrant the recommendation for an automatic transmission. Those who don't wheel on that level of trail likely would not understand the benefits to be gained with an automatic.

So you can take your "the concept of total control (IMHO) seems to say something about the skill level of the operator, or lack thereof." comment and put it where the sun doesn't shine.
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If you use it more as a dd, I'd prefer the stick - you'll definitely get better gas mileage than on that old (three gear?) automatic. However, you said the one you are looking at is a good deal, and that's probably what you should go by. Automatic on a dd can be good as well, if you sit in a lot of traffic (which I luckily don't).
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Soupy1957, you infer that those of us who are recommending automatics have less skills, or that we don't really know how to drive with our manual transmissions. Not true. I learned to drive a stick in 1963 so that gives me over 40 years of experience driving manual transmissions. Is that enough experience for you? So far on my '97 TJ that has a 5-speed manual transmission, I have put 175,000 HARD miles on it. I dare say I can handle the transmission and clutch on the rocks as well as anyone. If I didn't know what I was doing with the manual transmission on the rocks, I dare say I wouldn't have gotten 167,000 miles out of the original clutch before swapping it as insurance against it finally going out in the middle of another run through Sledgehammer in Johnson Valley made earlier this year.

However, my first love in offroading is rock crawling. Get your butt out of Connecticut and come rock crawling with us out in the deserts of Southern California, especially in Johnson Valley where you you find the transmission of choice among the hardest-core rock crawlers you'll find is an automatic. It's getting pretty darned rare now to see anyone still wheeling that level of trail with a manual transmission.

Go to any championship level rock crawling event and you'll be VERY hard pressed to find more than a few manual transmissions. Competitors long-ago switched to various forms of automatic transmissions.

Why? It's not just for the simplistic view that it just gets rid of the clutch and makes things easier as you look down your nose at. The bigger reasons are the low-end torque multiplication the automatic's torque converter provides, and the infinitely low first gear ratio benefit that magical torque converter also provides. Hold your place on on a steep obstacle climb with a little gas, back down a tad to take a different line by letting off the gas a tad, a little more gas to inch back up as needed, etc. THAT is the added control you gain with an automatic that those who know WTF they're talking about are referring to.

Going with an automatic for harder trails like many of us do (check out my website, link below) is not because we are any less skillful with a manual transmission than you are. Get out on some 5+ rated (trails out here are rated 1-5) trails like we wheel on and you'll soon understand the benefits of an automatic transmission. Which is why I'm about to start the conversion to an automatic on my rock crawler TJ. The new auto tranny is sitting in my garage awaiting installation which should start next weekend. I'm about the last one still remaining with a manual transmission in the hardcore bunch I prefer and enjoy wheeling with.

Does all this mean you need to be a rock crawler to enjoy the benefits of an automatic transmission? Of course not. On easier trails, it doesn't matter what transmission you use. But on tougher trails that aren't always necessarily always full of rocks, the automatic transmission's benefits are still there. I'll say it again... the tougher the trail, the more an automatic shines. That is not limited solely to rock crawling. There are plenty of non-rock crawling trails all over the US that are tough enough to warrant the recommendation for an automatic transmission. Those who don't wheel on that level of trail likely would not understand the benefits to be gained with an automatic.

So you can take your "the concept of total control (IMHO) seems to say something about the skill level of the operator, or lack thereof." comment and put it where the sun doesn't shine.
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Per capita, you will most likely find those in favor of automatics for serious climbing, and I can't take a side on that issue.

I can however simply offer this humble observation. When I control what my transmission does, (because really, the ones who prefer the automatic for climbing are really saying they don't want the clutch as part of the equasion, and it's not really about the shifter itself), I find that I can regulate the behavior of the motor within the parameters that "I" set. (right or wrong, in some cases).

the concept of total control (IMHO) seems to say something about the skill level of the operator, or lack thereof.

If you truly believe, as it would seem in your posting, that you may not necessarily be doing much extreme climbing all that often, why not stick with what you are most used to, (and in your case, that seems to be a manual tranny). If there is some sort of deficit in operating with a manual, you'll find out, and can always change it later.

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I personaly like manual. it keeps me entertained while driving and helps me pay attention to driving
and i like rowing through the gears while mudding
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Wow! Such drama!! Sounds like I've stirred up a bees nest. (not intentionally).

Merry Christmas to YOU, too!

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Well Here in North Dakota and Northern Minnesota we don't have any rocks. Mostly what we do is trails through the woods. I have had both Automatics and Manuals my whole life. When i finally purchased my Jeep i was looking at both transmissions. I choose the one that i thought was the best deal and the vehical that was kept in the best shape. Mine happens to be a 5 speed Manual and i am loving it. I don't live in a big city were theres alot of traffic and this is my everyday vehical. I am very happy with my manual, but if i found an automatic that was in the shape i wanted, and for the best price i am sure i would have been equally happy with that. No one is ever going to win the battle between Manual or Automatic transmissions. Each and every one of us has there own preferences which makes this a great subject for a debate. All i know is what ever makes you happy, then go for it.

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i believe that if you do alot of crawling an auto tranny is probably more desirable. I have a manual tranny though and i just think its much more enjoyable to drive a manual rather than an auto. I like the fact that a manual tranny connects you to the vehicle much better than an auto. I dont do alot of crawling, almost never actually....my offroading is usually limited to trail runs here in NH so a manual tranny works just fine.

Now i could see if you do some serious crawling i can see how an auto would be much more desirable, and if thats the type of terrain you consistantly run on, or you have a purpose built crawling machine, than i would deffinitely agree that an auto would be a better choice simply because it takes the clutch out of the equation. I would also imagine you would burn through clutches pretty fast if you do alot of crawling with a manual tranny.

For almost any other offroading though i would have to give the nod to the manual tranny simply because of of my personal opinion. I believe a manual tranny connects you to the vehicle better and offers you more choices with gear selection. Plus manual tranny's are just damn plain fun to drive

So the way i see it, unless a manual tranny offers a great disadvantage for the type of offroading you do, such as crawling, theres no reason not to get one....unless of course you dont like driving a manual tranny to begin with, but who doesn't???

But to answer your question both the manual and auto tranny's will hold up just fine for wheeling, i'd be more concerned about whether or not you have a D35 in that jeep if you plan on wheeling with 35's....if you really want to put 35's on it probably more important than what tranny to get is to look for one with a D44 instead of the D35
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wow i sparked a good discussion here didnt i. i still cant decide what to go with. i do love manual but it seems that auto is the way to go. in my bmw it had an auto and after i killed 3 in 100k miles i put in a manual and have since put 200k miles on it (yes the car has over 300k miles on it) so i know manuals last but if auto is the way to go in a jeep i guess i will do that (even tho manual is more fun).


Jonny15: i will be putting D60 axles in it. i got them out of a ford truck and just need to cut them to size and weld tj brackets on them.
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if you like the manual buy a manual if you like the auto buy that
but as far as only the three speed auto the 2003 and newer tj's have the 4speed overdrive trans
but so do the xj's and if I was to put the overdrive trans in it would probably be the xjs auto its easeir for me to find
but then I would be running 4.88's instead of 4.56's

It really depends on what you prefer
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If you sit in traffic, then get an auto. Its just so much more convenient
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If you use it more as a dd, I'd prefer the stick - you'll definitely get better gas mileage than on that old (three gear?) automatic. However, you said the one you are looking at is a good deal, and that's probably what you should go by. Automatic on a dd can be good as well, if you sit in a lot of traffic (which I luckily don't).
He's about to buy a lifted brick on wheels, Gas mileage obviously isn't a priority
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