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Old 12-22-2007, 03:11 AM   #61
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some 1 made manual tranny w/ a torque converter..

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He's about to buy a lifted brick on wheels, Gas mileage obviously isn't a priority
I'm sorry to have to tell you this but its more like a cinder block w/ a brick on top or something of that kind...

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Old 12-22-2007, 04:54 AM   #62
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I agree with what Jerry said, though I do have to chime in on one point. Using the gas to inch up, hold steady, or back down can slightly is a big advantage with the slushbox. However, with a good setup, the same thing can be achieved with a stick, minus the backing down. For example, in my junk that also has done the Hammer trails, it is a RF151 5 speed tranny, followed by dual transfer cases. The first case has a reduction gear of 2.28 and the second case has a reduction of 4.7. Combined, with 5.29 gears and 35's, over all ratio is 223, or 47 to 1 with just the first case or 98 to 1 with only the back case. Then select your gear in the tranny. With a dual case setup, there is 20 different forward speeds to chose from. One will surely work for any 5+ rated trail.

Overall jist of this statement is if one better than the other? No, in my opinion, it is what works for the driver. Manual transmissions have their place, as do automatics. Having driven an auto tranny on True Grit in Parker, they are nice for the rocks. Personally, I think autos make rockcrawling easier, which to me makes it a little more enjoyable. However, I also believe that a stick shift gives the driver more options and controls speed better than an auto, but then that's what brakes are for.

End statement, comes down to personnal preference!

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Old 12-22-2007, 05:24 AM   #63
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Tobcat1 is right about sitting in traffic. I work around that by flipping the tranny into Neutral, and not sitting on the clutch at a Red Light.

Sometimes, if the road is level and I'm not rolling forward or back, I'll even take my foot off the brake (something you can only do in an automatic when on an incline, when your automatic tranny will hold you still; although not recommended by the manufacturer), so that I have both feet and legs "at rest."

Perhaps the ability of the automatic to "hold" a vehicle at a certain incline, helps the rock-climbing crowd as well, in some ways.



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Old 12-22-2007, 08:01 AM   #64
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some 1 made manual tranny w/ a torque converter..
I do not remember that one but there was the clutch flight, an auto trans with a clutch used in drag racing mopars. dump the clutch to launch off the line then no missed gears. You do not see them anymore due to the invention of the trans brake... sry a little off topic..........
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:27 AM   #65
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He's about to buy a lifted brick on wheels, Gas mileage obviously isn't a priority
It may not be a priority, but it is of concern when you use it as a dd, and since he is considering to get an almost 10 yr old Jeep, money is obviously a factor because he is getting it as a dd with some wheeling - if it was for wheeling only, different story.

...on the other hand, he is talking about lifting and putting 35s on it - so maybe you are right..., gas mileage does not seem to be a concern
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Old 12-22-2007, 12:21 PM   #66
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Scotty try this...
Manual tranny w/ a torque converter.
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Old 12-22-2007, 02:19 PM   #67
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I did put a reverse manual valve body in my 68 dodge the gear pattern went
P-R-N-1-2-3, I had to shift thru the gears up and down but I still considered it an automatic because it was still based on an automatic transmission.
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Old 12-22-2007, 02:20 PM   #68
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In the comments the owner says its a fully manual tranny..
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Old 12-22-2007, 02:22 PM   #69
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I'd like to see how that works, sounds interesting.
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read the comments, he explains it a bit. I wanna see pics though
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Old 12-22-2007, 02:36 PM   #71
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Went to lentech and it's a Ford Automatic tranny set up like I did mine only professionally. you can get manual valve bodies from B&M if you don't have alot of money.
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Tobcat1 is right about sitting in traffic. I work around that by flipping the tranny into Neutral, and not sitting on the clutch at a Red Light.

Sometimes, if the road is level and I'm not rolling forward or back, I'll even take my foot off the brake (something you can only do in an automatic when on an incline, when your automatic tranny will hold you still; although not recommended by the manufacturer), so that I have both feet and legs "at rest."

Perhaps the ability of the automatic to "hold" a vehicle at a certain incline, helps the rock-climbing crowd as well, in some ways.



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I usually just put it in neutral at stops so i can release the brake.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:13 AM   #73
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Well if you get the auto you can drink your beer with your free hand
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manual for me. .. but I don't do any rock crawling, not really my thing.. I prefer wheel spin and mud flying.. but then again, I drag race too
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manual for me. .. but I don't do any rock crawling, not really my thing.. I prefer wheel spin and mud flying.. but then again, I drag race too
Same here, I just manually shift my auto if i feel the need.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:06 AM   #76
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Ah, the age old debate.

I'm down with the Auto crowd. Of course I'm a rock crawler and stalling out on a vertical waterfall is no fun. And neither is launching up the same waterfall because you had to hammer the gas and clutch.

You are so right, an age old debate. Nothing works better than what is best for you. What is more comfortable for you. Don't do something, because you think it is status Que, if it doesn't feel right, for you. On another note, wheeling on rocks with a standard, is all about final crawl ratio. It is really that simple, and most people don't understand that principle. A turtle can walk faster than my YJ, in first gear, and in the low side of my t-case. You simply multiply your first gear ratio by the ratio of your t-case X the gear ratio in your axles, and that gives you your crawl ratio. Mine is 6.65 X 5.44 X 4.56 = 164.96 Anything over 80 is very respectable, so you can see that it would take alot, to stall me out........
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one of the reasons why i wouldn't get an auto for my tj is the only 3 gears... I would love to see some 1 swap a cvt tranny into a wrangler though.
to me also manual is more fun than auto
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Old 12-25-2007, 01:07 PM   #78
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I have the newer 6 spd manual and I love it, I don't think my jeep would be near as much fun with an auto, that being said, I know (and have experienced) the downside of a manual in rocks, but to me if really like driving a manual you get used to it, and as to having to work the clutch in traffic, it just comes along with having a manual, to each his own.
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Thanks for everyone for participating in the poll. It is quite surprising though. I figured the Automatics would walk away with the poll votes. I've been watching this since i started this and it stayed almost dead even. I know im happy with either or, I can drive both Auto and Manual, So i was just wanted to see what people prefered.
Hope everyone has a happy new year. And Drive Safely.

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