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Old 03-04-2012, 10:04 PM   #31
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My TJ's clutch had to be replaced at 150k


Wow it lasted that long? That's awesome.

Would it be a mistake to get an auto over a manual?
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As someone who just traded driving my Audi every day for a wrangler I'll say this..

If you're comparing an apple(BMW) to an orange(wrangler) in your mind and you understand that fact, then get the wrangler. If you're comparing an apple(BMW) to an apple(wrangler) in your mind, get the WRX.

You simply can't compare these two.

With that also being said. The wrangler I picked up has no stereo, a soft top, has a bloody hole in the floor, seriously, a hole and I think it's there on purpose. And I loved driving it, it has it's own feel of how to drive it in the same way my audi did and your bmw does.

I wouldn't take the Audi back in a heart beat.
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As someone who just traded driving my Audi every day for a wrangler I'll say this..

If you're comparing an apple(BMW) to an orange(wrangler) in your mind and you understand that fact, then get the wrangler. If you're comparing an apple(BMW) to an apple(wrangler) in your mind, get the WRX.

You simply can't compare these two.

With that also being said. The wrangler I picked up has no stereo, a soft top, has a bloody hole in the floor, seriously, a hole and I think it's there on purpose. And I loved driving it, it has it's own feel of how to drive it in the same way my audi did and your bmw does.

I wouldn't take the Audi back in a heart beat.
That hole would be the drain hole, incase you submerge it, its there from the factory (all 3 of them)
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Apple and Orange in my mind. I want a car with a damn drain hole. I want something tough and reliable. I'm tired of prissy and refined. It's too much effort.


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184,XXX on my OE clutch. With Wranglers manual vs auto seriously comes down to personal preference. Both trannies are as reliable as the engine... as long as you get the 4.0 that is.

P.S. And if you want to talk about "Japanese reliability", I would put my Jeep up against my Honda any day of the week in a reliability contest... and I don't wheel my Honda.
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Mitch that's good to hear. I'm definitely liking all these things about the 4.0. I wonder if the manual gets better gas milage. Or if its worth it for city driving. Like you said though, I guess it's personal preference. I've only had auto cars, but I can drive a standard too...
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Then enjoy the wrangler man. She looks clean btw.
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went from sII gti > 328xi >zx6r (still own) > 2012 jk. and of all of them, I like the jk the best. don't care about gas mileage, don't care about speed, don't care about cornering (even though Uturns are saaweeet in this thing)...all I care about is convertible and driving a jeep.
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Apple and Orange in my mind. I want a car with a damn drain hole. I want something tough and reliable. I'm tired of prissy and refined. It's too much effort.


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I love it when I see a car parked like that I bust my a## to pull my TJ up a close to it as possible to to just to steam the guy. I'm always careful not to open the door into it but he don't know that and I hare to see the extra space to go to waste. Oh and I saw the "as long as you get the 4.0" I'll put my 4 popper up against anything around town or offroad (and I have) but it does leave something to be desired on the interstate. If you'll be doing interstate driving stay away from the 2.5 4 cyl. It's great for me as it never hits the interstate it just around town and offroad.
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Oh and I saw the "as long as you get the 4.0" I'll put my 4 popper up against anything around town or offroad (and I have) but it does leave something to be desired on the interstate. If you'll be doing interstate driving stay away from the 2.5 4 cyl. It's great for me as it never hits the interstate it just around town and offroad.
My comment pushing the 4.0 wasn't specifically in favor of the engine as it was the overall drivetrain. The AX-5 is a weak tranny. But presuming he leaves the jeep stock it won't be as much of a problem. If you're gonna sink the money into a Jeep might as well favor the safer/stronger drivetrain is all.
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I love it when I see a car parked like that I bust my a## to pull my TJ up a close to it as possible to to just to steam the guy. I'm always careful not to open the door into it but he don't know that and I hare to see the extra space to go to waste. Oh and I saw the "as long as you get the 4.0" I'll put my 4 popper up against anything around town or offroad (and I have) but it does leave something to be desired on the interstate. If you'll be doing interstate driving stay away from the 2.5 4 cyl. It's great for me as it never hits the interstate it just around town and offroad.
I park so far away that jerks like you know it's not worth it



Any tips for shopping for wranglers? what are the right things to look for/ask (besides general car-buying things)?
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See that's where we're on two sides of the fence. I always thought the Jerk was the one that took up 2 spots in a public lot just because he thought he was driving a car that he knew he shouldn't take there in the first place. The ones parked out in the toolies like you I never had a problem with it was the ones that pull up close and take 2 spots, sometimes even one of the handicap spots, then bounce out and run in like their "special". To me that defines a Jerk. But to each his own. Sometimes it's all I can do not to just pull up with one of my tires on his hood.
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See that's where we're on two sides of the fence. I always thought the Jerk was the one that took up 2 spots in a public lot just because he thought he was driving a car that he knew he shouldn't take there in the first place. The ones parked out in the toolies like you I never had a problem with it was the ones that pull up close and take 2 spots, sometimes even one of the handicap spots, then bounce out and run in like their "special". To me that defines a Jerk. But to each his own. Sometimes it's all I can do not to just pull up with one of my tires on his hood.

Haha I agree with you completely. Those are the biggest jerks. Still though, if I park WAY far away in an area with no cars at all, and then I return to find someone purposely parked right next to me and about 1000 other open spots just so they could agitate me, they are definitely not a considerate motorist/car enthusiast! Exceptions abound.
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Ok, just to clarify, it's a Bimmer. Beemers only have two wheels.
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Wow I stand corrected after 29 years or owning my BMW.

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Apple and Orange in my mind. I want a car with a damn drain hole. I want something tough and reliable. I'm tired of prissy and refined. It's too much effort.
With the above comment, then you are ready for a Jeep. Glad you see what you are getting into.

Manual vs auto - both reliable. Really depends on where you drive. Manuals are a lot more fun, hard rock crawlers seem to prefer auto. I think for you, if any of your driving involves sitting in heavy trafic, get the auto. Working the clutch in bumber to bumber traffic can get tiring.
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I had a 99 tj for 3 years that i sold for an 01 Audi A4 1.8t. Biggest mistake i ever made. Not that the Audi was a bad car, but once the "fast car" factor wore off, it was just another boring car. It had no personality, and all i could do was go fast and get tickets. Mods were expensive and limited and so were repairs. I almost imediately regretted that decision.

I sold it shortly after that and now i have another tj, an 06 rubicon. Its not fast, has power nothing, rides rough, its noisey...and i love it to death. Seriously there is nothing like owning a jeep, i drive mine 600-800 miles a week and i wouldnt have it any other way. Its reliable, it can go anywhere, its tons of fun to drive, cheap and easy to repair, looks badass, its perfect for me.

My words of wisdom from someone whos had both a jeep and a nice fast german car...i regretted selling my first jeep for the audi almost instantly, but i havent thought twice about that boring audi since i sold it and bought another jeep. Buy one man you wont regret it.
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Just to throw another in the mix.... As my commuter I bought a Ford Fusion, 6sp manual.... It was cheap to buy, cheap to run as with a light foot I am getting 38mpg highway.... in one year and 45000 miles the only thing I have had to do is change the oil....and when I choose to stand on it it is a blast on a twisting country road. Granted, it is no WRX, but would be quite friendly on a student's wallet.
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If I were you, I would pick up a 92-95 yj for a about 4 grand, less electronics, cheaper parts, 4.0, no death wobble. That way your not spending 8-9k on something, you may hate. Its old style suspention will rider rougher compared to the tj though.
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[QUOTE=Jonny15;2104927]I had a 99 tj for 3 years that i sold for an 01 Audi A4 1.8t. Biggest mistake i ever made. Not that the Audi was a bad car, but once the "fast car" factor wore off, it was just another boring car. It had no personality, and all i could do was go fast and get tickets. Mods were expensive and limited and so were repairs. I almost imediately regretted that decision.

You hit it right on Had my 92 yj bought a 01 c class benz for some stupid reason I guess i wanted to go fast again but once the "fast car" factor wore off, it was just another boring car, That car cost me thousands to keep it on the road just from simple repairs, then when I rolled and totaled that car out I couldn't be happier to be back driving my old beat up jeep.

You should find a 2000 or newer TJ with the stronger NV3550 manual transmission, automatics tend to get boring.
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And, in case you have not experienced it yet, there is the inner loop (Route 128) around Boston. Here is the deal after 14 years driving in and around Beantown:

1) Boston drivers are very fast but are generally very skillful.

2) There is very little horn blowing, because it is not needed.

3) The breakdown lane on the Route 128 Inner Loop is open to regular traffic in certain places during Rush Hour. The "Skillful" Boston drivers will not cut you a break or even acknowledge your existence when you are trying to get on the highway from the entrance ramp. The bottom line is that you need to be driving something that can do a hole shot from zero to seventy or better quite quickly when the breakdown lane is open.

All that being said, if you do decide on a Wrangler vs a wrx you might want to look for something with a V8 swapped in. "There is no substitute for cubic inches." And, go with one that has an automatic with a high stall speed torque converter. Pumping a clutch a couple of hundred times an hour in rush traffic can get annoying.
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And, in case you have not experienced it yet, there is the inner loop (Route 128) around Boston. Here is the deal after 14 years driving in and around Beantown:

1) Boston drivers are very fast but are generally very skillful.

2) There is very little horn blowing, because it is not needed.

3) The breakdown lane on the Route 128 Inner Loop is open to regular traffic in certain places during Rush Hour. The "Skillful" Boston drivers will not cut you a break or even acknowledge your existence when you are trying to get on the highway from the entrance ramp. The bottom line is that you need to be driving something that can do a hole shot from zero to seventy or better quite quickly when the breakdown lane is open.

All that being said, if you do decide on a Wrangler vs a wrx you might want to look for something with a V8 swapped in. "There is no substitute for cubic inches." And, go with one that has an automatic with a high stall speed torque converter. Pumping a clutch a couple of hundred times an hour in rush traffic can get annoying.
I am on 128/Pike all the time ( on/off Rt. 20 exit). Pretty much correct in what you wrote. I am one of those aggressive drivers merging onto 128 from the Pike (lil scary sometimes). But I know what my BMW can do and never have a problem. Going to have to bring back my old driving style, shouldn't have a problem.
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I'm from NY and have lived (and driven) in other major cities. I'm sure I will do fine in Boston traffic or wherever I end up at school.

I am going to start shopping for wranglers this week. I doubt I'll pull the trigger on one until late April, which should give me plenty of time. I want a TJ with no options at all except the auto and a hard top. Probably somewhere between 01-05 with milage as low as possible (less than 85k). Damn wranglers hold their value too well...

The second I buy one am I going to need to change the timing belt/chain and water pump?

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Haha i see you're used to the nightmare of buying a used german car . Dont need to do that with a jeep as long as you get a 2.5 four cylinder or 4.0 six cylinder.

The later model years had the 2.4 four cylinder neon engine as a replacement for the amc 2.5...you may have to change the timing belt on that one but i HIGHLY recomend you skip the 4 banger all together and get the 4.0 inline 6...much more power and its a bulletproof engine
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One important thing nobody has mentioned yet is the insurance cost.

We seriously considered buying my wife a 2010 WRX wagon. Test drove it almost pulled the trigger on it.

Thankfully we called our insurance agent to get a quote before we traded her car in the next morning. Just for refrence she's 35, perfect driving record, high credit score and no tickets.

$235 a MONTH!!!! Sorry but WRX is cool but not that cool. Same agent same phone call 2011 Wrangler Sahara, $118 a month for full coverage with 500k BO and PP limits.

Do yourself a huge favor and have your insurance agent give a you a quote on every vehicle you are considering before you buy it. Could easily save you $10,000 by the time you pay that shiney new car off.
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If you are going to undergraduate school IN Boston, and don't have a place to park a vehicle this whole post may be an exercise in futility. A lot of the schools don't allow undergrads to have vehicles, let alone give them parking permits. Even if you could get a permit, all bets are off on snow emergency days.

Having had three kids go to school in NYC, Amherst, MA and Providence (College Hill), RI, each says that having a vehicle at school is more hassle than it's worth unless you are an upperclassman living off campus with a designated parking space.

And I seem to remember you saying that you want a hard top. Where are you going to put it when you take it off and want to drive around without it? Also it is not easy to get the HT off and on solo.
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If you are going to undergraduate school IN Boston, and don't have a place to park a vehicle this whole post may be an exercise in futility. A lot of the schools don't allow undergrads to have vehicles, let alone give them parking permits. Even if you could get a permit, all bets are off on snow emergency days.

Having had three kids go to school in NYC, Amherst, MA and Providence (College Hill), RI, each says that having a vehicle at school is more hassle than it's worth unless you are an upperclassman living off campus with a designated parking space.

And I seem to remember you saying that you want a hard top. Where are you going to put it when you take it off and want to drive around without it? Also it is not easy to get the HT off and on solo.
Not undergrad. Law school. I would be getting a place with parking. Would get a soft top too for the nice weather probably. I totally forgot about insurance costs. Wrangler is looking better and better...
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Not undergrad. Law school. I would be getting a place with parking. Would get a soft top too for the nice weather probably. I totally forgot about insurance costs. Wrangler is looking better and better...
Very cool. I went to Suffolk, but did MBA not JD. Parking on Beacon Hill is not too awfully bad. Cambridge and the Back Bay are a real challenge.

Good luck and keep us posted!

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