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Old 03-04-2012, 12:39 PM   #1
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BMW to Wrangler? Do I buy one?

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I am totally new here but I've been reading a little bit to try and get more information on Wranglers.

I currently have a modified '01 3 series but it's really no longer practical. I will be a student again this fall and I want to get a car that can handle all sorts of weather, be fun to drive, and reliable.

I want something that I'll enjoy, not have to think about (even though I will), and not have to repair every ten minutes.

How good are Wranglers? I know I'm asking on a Jeep forum, but hopefully you'll all be honest . I would be looking to get one CPO as cheap as possible. I don't really care so much about offroading so I don't need a rubicon, sahara, whatever. The only option I would want would be a hard top, or maybe an automatic transmission so I wouldn't have to deal with replacing a clutch or being aggravated in city driving.


Can anyone give me information on Jeep reliability? What are the woes and joys that I will have if I get a wrangler? Am I better off with a wrx which will get slightly better mpg, be able to turn a corner, and have japanese reliability?

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Really? Wrx vs wrangler? Coming from BMW?

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I'm nervous that the WRX will turn into another huge concern for me. I spend so much time and effort cleaning my car, not parking it near anyone, keeping it immaculate... When I'm a student in the fall I'm not going to want to dedicate the time and effort. I'm afraid that the WRX will give me the same sense of concern/fastidiousness. I like the idea of being able to hose off a wrangler once a month, park it wherever, and not worry.

That being said the WRX has a lot going for it too. It's fast and I'll be able to enjoy driving it around corners. Turbos are expensive to repair though too.

Lots of ups and downs for both...
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I would think an older YJ in good shape if you plan on keeping the BMW, or a 03-05 TJ if it is to be an only child. The reasoning is the YJ would be inexpensive to buy and the underlying reason people get hung up on Jeeps is the ease in repairs. (huge amount of used parts and DIY level of most fixes as well as huge amounts of help and information easily at hand). With the TJ there is more comfort and the fixes become a little more expensive although still doable by a novice for the most part. The ease of the fix and ample supply of used parts is what enables many people the luxury of being able to take a rig out on the weekend and tear it up. Either way you end up with a vehicle that will go anywhere anytime. What ever you decide good luck.
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Thanks Gate.

The car would be my daily driver. I would try to get the newest/lowest milage possible, but $ is a factor.

I like the idea of cheap parts/repairs, but I don't want them to be frequent. I want to mostly just have to put in oil and gas.

Also I hear about death wobble and that scares the hell out of me just about as much as a wrx blowing a turbo.

so conflicted...
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:52 PM   #6
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In the same boat as you. I have an '07 e90, but it is not practical about 40% of the time because of snow/gear for work. Plus my parking lot at home sucks, and I am nervous someone will ding/scrape it...which is a great reason for a Wrangler as well. I love my BMW for running in and out of downtown Boston/Cambridge, can't beat it. I have owned a few pickups in the past, so I know what to expect in terms of the ride, gas etc.
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What kinda of wrangler you will be able to buy is bassed on how much you have to spend.. So if I may ask what is you budget for buying one?

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Haha Pete, I may be moving up to Boston, and was thinking that I would want a wrangler so that I wouldn't have to worry about dings and whatever else in the city.

I just don't know if I would be better off with the wrangler or not. I seem to be getting a tepid response so far (which I appreciate if it's an honest perspective).

Wranger Pros
Cool, drop the top, handles any weather, wouldn't have to worry about it in daily driving

Wrangler Cons
Mpg, reliability?, death wobble? (WTF), does not go fast or go around corners well

WRX pros
Fun to drive, fast, hatchback holds stuff, japanese reliability

WRX cons
Possible repairs on the turbo down the line/ more expensive repairs in general, I would probably obsess over the car like I do with my BMW, premium gas
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My budget would be whatever I need to get a reliable CPO or lightly used base model wrangler with a hard top.

Edit: Or lightly used/CPO base model WRX hatch money
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^it goes fast if you keep it stock. and for the corners thing, the jeep has like the tightest turning radius iv ever seen.
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and have japanese reliability?

Thanks!
Just to help fuel the design and reliability fire, there are those who might say that the latest Wranglers had German design and engineering input.

And Japanese reliability? Are you saying that Japanese reliability is better or worse than a Wrangler's?
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My budget would be whatever I need to get a reliable CPO or lightly used base model wrangler with a hard top.

Edit: Or lightly used/CPO base model WRX hatch money
OK now time for a dumb question.. What is "CPO"? and as for reliability it doesn't get any more reliable then a Jeep with the 4.0 I6
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without knowing your exact budget.. it is my recomendation that you buy a 97-99/2003-2004 TJ.. Look for a stock sport or sahara.. The 97-99's can be had typically for 8-10K sometimes a little less
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Japanese reliability being superior to well, the stereotypes of a chrysler product... however I really don't know how reliable wranglers actually are. I mean, you guys bash consumer reports on here, a jeep dealership would probably lie to me, and I know this is a Jeep forum but you seem like an honest bunch, hah.

is the 4.0 the best? are newer ones better?
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without knowing your exact budget.. it is my recomendation that you buy a 97-99/2003-2004 TJ.. Look for a stock sport or sahara.. The 97-99's can be had typically for 8-10K sometimes a little less

I don't want to buy a 12 year old car. I also would never spend 10k on a 12 year old car. I want less concerns in terms of maintenance. I'd want the base model. I really don't need any options other than a hard top. What would a no-frills 07 cost? are TJs better?
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If you want MPG, and drivability, the Jeep probably isn't your cup of tea.

You can always buy a cheap Wrangler as a "second car" to try out for a while.
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Reliability is no problem, same as any other vehicle. DW is not really an issue on a stock model.

But I don't think you want a Wrangler. They are not fast, they don't corner. They ride hard, leak, gererally lack creature conforts, you have to climb up into them. Gas mileage is nor great. If you are used to a Beamer, this is a major change.

Would I give mine up, no, but I was not looking for a civilized ride. I wanted a Jeep.
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I don't want to buy a 12 year old car. I also would never spend 10k on a 12 year old car. I want less concerns in terms of maintenance. I'd want the base model. I really don't need any options other than a hard top. What would a no-frills 07 cost? are TJs better?
Well then your in luck.. Jeeps are Jeeps.. They're not a Car.. But see now I know more.. I didn't know what you were looking for.. Year range or anything.. A wrangler X and sport is what your looking for.. I would take chrysler, gm, and ford over anything japenese any day of the week 365 days out of the year.. well at least if I want reliable.. The X and Sport sub models of the wrangler are the models with the least amount of extras..

So maybe were now looking at 2007-2011 JK(u)'s.. They can be had in the 15-20K range and up..
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Well then your in luck.. Jeeps are Jeeps.. They're not a Car.. But see now I know more.. I didn't know what you were looking for.. Year range or anything.. A wrangler X and sport is what your looking for.. I would take chrysler, gm, and ford over anything japenese any day of the week 365 days out of the year.. well at least if I want reliable.. The X and Sport sub models of the wrangler are the models with the least amount of extras..

So maybe were now looking at 2007-2011 JK(u)'s.. They can be had in the 15-20K range and up..
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For now, get yourself a wrx beater to be your Boston city car and not worry about it. If a Wrangler was right for you and, more importantly, you for a Wrangler under the circumstances you have described, you would not be asking about the wrx.
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IMHO I would say go for the Subaru. Getting a wrangler without enjoying it off road is like buying a hunting rifle to decorate a room with. I forget about the not so plush ride, bad mpg, and cornering issues in my wrangler because i do take it out off roading and go places a regular car, say a Subaru WRX, would only dream of.

Since cornering, comfort, and reliability are what you worry about the most, go for the Subaru it is a much better choice for what you need.
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Reliability is no problem, same as any other vehicle. DW is not really an issue on a stock model.

But I don't think you want a Wrangler. They are not fast, they don't corner. They ride hard, leak, gererally lack creature conforts, you have to climb up into them. Gas mileage is nor great. If you are used to a Beamer, this is a major change.

Would I give mine up, no, but I was not looking for a civilized ride. I wanted a Jeep.

I don't mind not having creature comforts, in fact in my current car I wish there were less. What do you mean that wranglers leak? I don't want a car that leaks .

I dont need something that is fast or goes around corners, but its just something I would be giving up with a Jeep (not that my 01 3ser is fast).


I think I'll give both a test drive and see how it goes. I like the idea of the wrangler being simple, durable, and topless. A lot. The mpg of the wrx is only slightly better. I like the idea of the subaru being nimble and also 4wd.

Neither seems better than the other in concept.

Thank you guys for all the info so far!!!
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Thanks Gate.

The car would be my daily driver. I would try to get the newest/lowest milage possible, but $ is a factor.

I like the idea of cheap parts/repairs, but I don't want them to be frequent. I want to mostly just have to put in oil and gas.

Also I hear about death wobble and that scares the hell out of me just about as much as a wrx blowing a turbo.

so conflicted...
OK "Death Wobble" is a non issue for you as long as you don't buy a lifted Jeep and you don't want to lift it. Even then it is not that common or a condition only in Jeeps it just gets news stories more audience that way. If you buy a stock Jeep, never offroaded you will get something that is very suitable to what you are looking for. As long as you make sure it's not been trashed and then "shined" back up by some lowlife. For an example my 2000 TJ was bought in July 2010 abd had never been offroad. I have treated it like crap offroading and have had to do nothing but oil and gas. Until my daughter wrecked it in Dec. which meant many new things to add now (all covered by ins money since they totaled it).
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Well now this thread is just right up my alley! I owned a 2007cobalt SS/SC. Had it lowered and some mods done to it. It wasnt as quick as a wrx but it was no slow poke either. Anyways, I got rid of it, got my wife a 2011 Imprezza (she always had the "crappier" (can I say that on here?) car) and I started to drive a '94 s-10 I had. S-10 crapped out, drove wife's old sunfire for a year, sold it and I now have a 2012 JKU arctic.

Essentially I went from a fun street car, to a POS, to jeep. And I loved speed and cornering. But nothing compares to the jeeps ability to adventure wherever you pretty much want to go. When I drive my jeep I just don't have that desire to pin it off the line or take corners fast cause I know what it's meant for and it's capabilities. I kinda laugh when I see sports cars now cause they are a slave to the road.

As for the Imprezza, it's not a WRX but the wife was like you with the "Japanese built" car. And honestly, I'm not overly impressed. Within the first few weeks of owning it the windshield had 2 big cracks, the fog light broke, some of the side moulding under the driver door has come off and there was about 3-4 different squeaks it makes And she babies it, no accidents nothing.

Don't get me wrong, the Imprezza is a nice car, but you are stuck on the road, with the roof and doors on and there's no jeep wave!

In the end, it kinda comes down to what you need. I needed a bigger vehicle to haul the dogs (a 180lb newf and a 50lb mutt) and I looked at about 5-6 different SUV's and nothing came close to the jeep for what was in my price range.

And everyday I get up to go to work and come to the garage to leave and kinda get that little smile on my face when I know I'm getting in the jeep, and not the Imprezza. Makes it worth every penny of gas I put into it.

If you have any questions regarding either vehicle, let me know.

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Haha Pete, I may be moving up to Boston, and was thinking that I would want a wrangler so that I wouldn't have to worry about dings and whatever else in the city.

I just don't know if I would be better off with the wrangler or not. I seem to be getting a tepid response so far (which I appreciate if it's an honest perspective).

Wranger Pros
Cool, drop the top, handles any weather, wouldn't have to worry about it in daily driving

Wrangler Cons
Mpg, reliability?, death wobble? (WTF), does not go fast or go around corners well

WRX pros
Fun to drive, fast, hatchback holds stuff, japanese reliability

WRX cons
Possible repairs on the turbo down the line/ more expensive repairs in general, I would probably obsess over the car like I do with my BMW, premium gas
Lol we are def in the same boat. I am leaning toward the Wrangler because of doors and top off in the Cape in summer, as well as 4x4 capability in snow. I owned an A4 when I went to school in the Berkshires; thing went through snow like nothing else I have driven, hope the Wrangler is similar! (my '01 Ranger 4.0 4X4 was great in snow too )

Other cars on my list are a Ford Focus, Subaru Impreza. Not looking used, want something new for once.
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I live near Allegheny Col. in NW PA, we get alot of snow here (around 100 in.) every year and I see many Jeeps (and other 4X4's) in my area. I would suggest if you have to deal with harsh weather JEEP is the only way to go ...I have had other 4X4.s and none compare to a JEEP.

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You asked for opinions so here ya go.

It all comes down to what you really want. If you want a "car" buy the WRX, if you want a vehicle like no other than make it the Wrangler.

I went from a 5 series to a Wrangler myself. I still own both. Which one do you think I drive? The Wrangler! My poor Beamer hasn't seen pavement since I bought the Jeep 6 years ago.

Just like you, with my BMW, a spec of dirt was immediately removed. I would walk 3 city blocks to keep from having to park it where someone might open a door and hit it. She sparkled and shined and she was a big pita to keep the way I wanted her. Now with my Wrangler, I circle for the closest spot or a spot next to another Wrangler. If the weather is nice I MIGHT spray it down with the hose otherwise I let Mother Nature handle it.

As far as handling and performance, No you won't be hitting the turns in the same manner as you would in your Beamer or a WRX but then again, you won't be in a hurry to get anywhere either.

Reliability? The Wrangler is as reliable as any vehicle on the road today and a lot more reliable than most. I'm not sure about your BMW but mine has the Inline 6 and is still running strong at the ripe old age of 25. That is one of the many reasons that I bought my Wrangler.

You might also want to consider the re-sale value. Take a look at the re-sale on a 5 yr old WRX compared to a 5 yr old Wrangler. They really hold their value. I'm just throwing that in there. Most Wrangler owners couldn't care less about re-sale because they don't ever intend on parting with them. Myself included.

To sum it up...A Wrangler is the most fun you will ever have driving a vehicle but if you want a car, then a Wrangler isn't right for you.

Oh and the reason that CR never ranks the Wrangler highly is because there is no other vehicle to compare it to. It is in a class all it's own.
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I don't mind not having creature comforts, in fact in my current car I wish there were less. What do you mean that wranglers leak? I don't want a car that leaks .
It's a convertable. Hard or soft, you put the top down, then put it back up. They don't always seal. Usually do, not always. You did say you wanted a hard top. That helps. They are also less noisy.
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Wow guys, thanks for all the info. Seriously, this is very helpful.

With my 3 series... I don't parallel park it. I refuse. I wash it once a week, wax it once a month. Interior gets armorall and leather conditioner. I do preventative maintenance like its my job. Every scratch absolutely kills me. Problem is it's a labor of love and I want more freedom back. I want to not care and still love my car.

I like that the wrangler is unique. I like that you guys have a good community here for support/shared enthusiasm.

Wranglers seem to keep their value pretty damn well. So well in fact that I may have to get a TJ instead of a JK. How's the manual transmission vs the auto? How often do clutches need replacement?

Also any shopping tips when I look at them?


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