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Old 06-17-2012, 08:24 AM   #31
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Don't let it get to you. Some people are just bitter that they don't have what others do. 90% of this thread smacks of the ignorance if youth.
Tends to be the case. He's probably just upset because all those four door models outshine his Baywatch Special.

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In a couple years when my son gets his license I'm going to get a 4 door Rubicon. Phenomenal vehicles straight out of the box.

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In a couple years when my son gets his license I'm going to get a 4 door Rubicon. Phenomenal vehicles straight out of the box.
I can tell you from experience you'll be very happy with it. While the handling may not be as nimble (if that's what you wanna call it...) as the 2 dr, it's a comfortable riding vehicle and great for long distances.

While I've only owned my Unlimited Rubicon for a month, there are countless times I've fit stuff in it that I'd have never fit in a 2 dr model. It's been really great from not only a fun aspect but a utilitarian one as well.
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I'm with many of you

I get the crud off my Jeep ASAP, so if you see it you would think:

"Nice Jeep, bet he's never used any of that stuff"

I just wish I'd remember to clean the freakin' engine compartment.

Also thankful to folks who buy Jeeps and DON'T offroad them. Let's us buy clean used Jeeps. But still, I like to bust people's chops who don't use their Jeeps as intended. At least 5 people at my plant have Wranglers and refuse to wheel them.

Also works for those who drive Hummers with "Ridin' Dirty" banners on the top of their windshield that don't know what dirt or mud look like. Like a coworker of mine.
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:52 AM   #35
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I can tell you from experience you'll be very happy with it. While the handling may not be as nimble (if that's what you wanna call it...) as the 2 dr, it's a comfortable riding vehicle and great for long distances.

While I've only owned my Unlimited Rubicon for a month, there are countless times I've fit stuff in it that I'd have never fit in a 2 dr model. It's been really great from not only a fun aspect but a utilitarian one as well.
I drove a few but here in the sunshine state demand is high for them and itvwas one of the few vehicles the dealer wouldn't budge on price. When my oldest gets my yj they should be a little more affordable.
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I think when people see a built jeep that is clean, they assume that it's a mall crawler. The reality is, you don't know that person and your only making that assumption out of ignorance,jealousy, etc. My jeep is usually washed because I like it clean and to keep it in good condition. I also take it off road just about every weekend and spend a few hours washing it on Sunday. Also, who cares if someone off roads or not. They aren't asking you to pay for their armor, lift, or whatever. Get over it....
Totally agree. Just jealousy. Worry about your own jeeps guys
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I drove a few but here in the sunshine state demand is high for them and itvwas one of the few vehicles the dealer wouldn't budge on price. When my oldest gets my yj they should be a little more affordable.
There were a few dealerships in my area but the closest is about four miles up the road. I wanted to give them my business because they're the closest one to me. The next closest Jeep dealer was about 30-40 miles away. I visited that dealer and was insulted by the salesman, so I decided I was not going to give them my business. I later contacted the GM to explain my experience at the dealership.

My local dealership isn't real large, and I had a hard time getting them to budge on price, but I wound up with a fair deal; not a good deal, a fair deal. They only have about 6 or 7 Wranglers on their lot at any given time, usually consisting of one or two Unlimited Sports or a Sahara, and a few two door Sports; possibly a two door Rubicon.

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Totally agree. Just jealousy. Worry about your own jeeps guys
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Not picking a fight and never called you a tool. Read it again smart guy. And I don't care how much money you have or what kind of Jeep you got. No I don't have money for a new Jeep, I love my rig and would not trade it.

You like to talk trash on my Jeep fine.
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I got a Jeep to do whatever the f--- I want.
Further explanation is extranious.
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Old 06-17-2012, 03:17 PM   #40
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ok i guess this may be a lil rant, or some what, and to each his own...i do understand trickin your ride the way you want it and making it look good and all, but i have been seeing more jeeps sporting body armor rear corners and tube front fenders, and rock sliders from smittybilt and they are "pretty boy" jeeps that dont even see dirt roads around these parts. i do admit i have the rock guards, but hell ive bashed them into trees and everything else in the area..lol but i dont get it i guess like i said to each there own, ....haha
Some people like me, who daily drive their Jeep 90% of the time, still want protection from the idiots at the malls, the grocery store lots, and just general idiot protection. My 2012 costs $35,000, and I'd like to protect it from unnecessary damage if I can. A friend of mine with an Arctic JKU bought his ride the same day I got mine. Within 3 days, a cab smashed his OEM front bumper and destroyed his passenger side front painted fender. Total damage, $600. I'd rather keep my ride mint, while knowing if anyone touches my truck, they are going to destroy their car without harming mine.

I also hate dirty rides. If I go wheeling and cover the jeep in mud head to toe, the FIRST thing I do is detail it. First of all, I like clean, sparkling paint. Second, to me, it's a sign of the owner. If I was shopping for a Jeep, I don't care if it was wheeled, thats what they are for. However, if the Jeep is filthy "because it's a Jeep" then I will assume (rightfully or not) that the owner does NOT take care of their ride and I'll skip it. When someone takes the time to clean their undercarriage off, it tells me that the person loved their Jeep, and really took care of it. I'd rather buy a clean Jeep from a hardcore offroader than a dirty one from someone who has never taken it past their own lawn.
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Nfrs2000nyc, that's one thing I actually never thought of using it for was other people hitting it with doers and such....I didn't think outside the off road box...lol sorry
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My Rubi is all waxed up with Klasse/P21S (no mods) and definitely looks like a mall-crawler. It is almost embarrassing.

On the bright side, I will be in the Ouray/Telluride/Silverton area ALL week, and see the most beautiful part of the country...as little pavement as possible.
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Nfrs2000nyc, that's one thing I actually never thought of using it for was other people hitting it with doers and such....I didn't think outside the off road box...lol sorry
Yup. In the tristate area, it is a very big deal. For the folks that live in the burbs, animal strikes are actually an issue as well. A deer will do monster damage to am OEM front end but if you have a steel bumper with a bullbar/stinger, you are only going to have a nasty cleanup job, with no damage. There was a member in the JK section that slammed a deer twice. The first time with the OEM bumper, the second with a Rugged Ridge Modular. The first time half his front end was destroyed, the second time he had a couple of deer hairs stuck on the bumper.
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My Rubi is all waxed up with Klasse/P21S (no mods) and definitely looks like a mall-crawler. It is almost embarrassing.

On the bright side, I will be in the Ouray/Telluride/Silverton area ALL week, and see the most beautiful part of the country...as little pavement as possible.
P21S FTMFW! Awesome top coat wax, and I use it on all my vehicles. Used to use Klasse AIO, but hated the cleanup (annoying to remove) so I switched, but no matter what synthetic I use underneath, p21s is my choice for the final coat. Just an FYI, P21s is also known as S100, and sold in harley dealers....just in case you ever need to run out and buy a tub locally.
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Good to know...I need t get some more soon. I also use P21S as a top coat but have started to use Klasse All in One and then the Klasse sealant right below a day apart. It can last 6 months easily. Makes that Mother's and Turtle Wax stuff look so mediocre. P21S has the best car wash too. Man, I just outed myself as such a mall crawler. I swear I hate the mall (I go 1-2 times per year really late..run in and run out) and only bought it for the trails.
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Good to know...I need t get some more soon. I also use P21S as a top coat but have started to use Klasse All in One and then the Klasse sealant right below a day apart. It can last 6 months easily. Makes that Mother's and Turtle Wax stuff look so mediocre. P21S has the best car wash too. Man, I just outed myself as such a mall crawler. I swear I hate the mall (I go 1-2 times per year really late..run in and run out) and only bought it for the trails.
Good thing you posted, so I can correct your errors. Klasse AIO goes UNDER the sealant. AIO has abrasives in it, so you are basically stripping your Klasse sealant when you apply AIO over it. Use AIO first, THEN, apply your topcoat of p21s or Klasse Sealant.
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Sorry, I typed that wrong- I use Klasse AIO, then the sealant, and then P21S a day after. I did this on my 4Runner in Sept 2011 and it still beads tiny droplets...great stuff.
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Sorry, I typed that wrong- I use Klasse AIO, then the sealant, and then P21S a day after. I did this on my 4Runner in Sept 2011 and it still beads tiny droplets...great stuff.
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My Rubi is all waxed up with Klasse/P21S (no mods) and definitely looks like a mall-crawler. It is almost embarrassing.

On the bright side, I will be in the Ouray/Telluride/Silverton area ALL week, and see the most beautiful part of the country...as little pavement as possible.
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Not picking a fight and never called you a tool. Read it again smart guy. And I don't care how much money you have or what kind of Jeep you got. No I don't have money for a new Jeep, I love my rig and would not trade it.

You like to talk trash on my Jeep fine.
Ah, but you DID call me a tool, and now you just called me, "smart guy," but hey, at least you realize I'm a smart guy!

I have no interest in talking trash on your Jeep, I just stated my opinion, kinds like you.
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Pride of ownership goes a long way! I am sure that there are some out there who see a chick in a brand spanking new JKU and think...Soccer Mom with a Mall Crawler. I'll have you know, I hate malls, I only have dogs, and I have never played Soccer. Rugby, yes. Soccer? Nope!

What it boils down to is this:

- We are modding both of our Jeeps for future use. Both will be well prepared for whatever we plan to do with either one. The very last thing I want to happen is to NOT prepare my 41K vehicle and badly injure it because of my lack of preparedness and my desire to throw my Jeep into something I am not familiar with and the Jeep may not be ready for.

- We keep them clean. Why? Because I have seen what happens to vehicles who are not properly cleaned and protected in a heavy salt winter environment.

- We painted parts of the under body. Why? Because 1) the mufflers rust like crazy, and we want to apply an ounce of prevention instead of a pound of cure. We would still have the Super Duty and she would be pristine if I had known then(2001) what I know now. It just so happens that we choose Chevy Orange Engine paint. And 2) It's sexy AND functional!

- I take a long time to make my choices. Why? Because I like to make informed decisions about what I spend my money on and want to be sure that I am getting a quality product for a fair price that "should" do what I expect it to.

- I NEED to have a DD that is solid, reliable, and will do all within my power to make sure that my warranties are upheld. Once they fall out of warranty and we have the money for a "toy", then it's no holds barred Mods.

Call me what you will. It's like water off a ducks back when I my butt hits that seat and I am happy! Try to be a bigger person and not judge a book by it's cover and, instead, appreciate the individuality that you see in each and every Wrangler that you see. I find it fascinating to see all of the "flavors" of what were the same, exact vehicles when they rolled off the line. Do I do a walk around of what appears to be a stock Wrangler? No, but I do notice them! And park by them if I can.
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Pride of ownership goes a long way! I am sure that there are some out there who see a chick in a brand spanking new JKU and think...Soccer Mom with a Mall Crawler. I'll have you know, I hate malls, I only have dogs, and I have never played Soccer. Rugby, yes. Soccer? Nope!

What it boils down to is this:

- We are modding both of our Jeeps for future use. Both will be well prepared for whatever we plan to do with either one. The very last thing I want to happen is to NOT prepare my 41K vehicle and badly injure it because of my lack of preparedness and my desire to throw my Jeep into something I am not familiar with and the Jeep may not be ready for.

- We keep them clean. Why? Because I have seen what happens to vehicles who are not properly cleaned and protected in a heavy salt winter environment.

- We painted parts of the under body. Why? Because 1) the mufflers rust like crazy, and we want to apply an ounce of prevention instead of a pound of cure. We would still have the Super Duty and she would be pristine if I had known then(2001) what I know now. It just so happens that we choose Chevy Orange Engine paint. And 2) It's sexy AND functional!

- I take a long time to make my choices. Why? Because I like to make informed decisions about what I spend my money on and want to be sure that I am getting a quality product for a fair price that "should" do what I expect it to.

- I NEED to have a DD that is solid, reliable, and will do all within my power to make sure that my warranties are upheld. Once they fall out of warranty and we have the money for a "toy", then it's no holds barred Mods.

Call me what you will. It's like water off a ducks back when I my butt hits that seat and I am happy! Try to be a bigger person and not judge a book by it's cover and, instead, appreciate the individuality that you see in each and every Wrangler that you see. I find it fascinating to see all of the "flavors" of what were the same, exact vehicles when they rolled off the line. Do I do a walk around of what appears to be a stock Wrangler? No, but I do notice them! And park by them if I can.
I much prefer to go easy on mine because I spent a lot of hard-earned money on it and I want it to last for a very long time. I'm going to keep it clean and shiny, and in tip-top shape. I value the time, effort, and sacrifices it took to put me in that vehicle.
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A point you are all missing is that all of the parts these mall crawlers are buying help you a couple of ways. 1. Selection-the more parts sold the more companies will produce! in quantity and verity. 2. Price-the more of anything produced the lower cost for each piece. 3. Some of the smaller aftermarket companies may never survive if hardcore off roaders were their only customers. So I say let every jeep go to the mall lifted, fully armor coated, supercharged to the gills! that's my 2 cents just no 20" + wheels!
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ok i guess this may be a lil rant, or some what, and to each his own...i do understand trickin your ride the way you want it and making it look good and all, but i have been seeing more jeeps sporting body armor rear corners and tube front fenders, and rock sliders from smittybilt and they are "pretty boy" jeeps that dont even see dirt roads around these parts. i do admit i have the rock guards, but hell ive bashed them into trees and everything else in the area..lol but i dont get it i guess like i said to each there own, ....haha
Yep, might as well leave them stock. People will at least have some respect for those who choose to leave them stock.
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Mine is awful purty when it's clean, and I usually wash it within a day or two after getting it filthy. We have a HUGE corrosion problem up here with all the salt they use in the winter to de-ice the roads. If you don't keep 'em clean, they will rot out underneath you. I could give a rats ass if anyone thinks it's all show and no go. I didn't buy it or add any mods for anyone else's pleasure or approval.

If I want to take it out and abuse her like the b she is, I do. If I want to take a quite drive on a dirt road, she gets a little dusty and I do. If I want to take a road trip on the highway with cruise on, windows rolled up, and the A/C keeping me comfy I do.

Most times mine is clean. Other times it's caked in mud/dirt. I would think that the average person who see's it here in the Twin Cities, thinks it never goes off-road, but I couldn't care less about what they think.

Now excuse me while I go "Armor All" my tires...

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(gasp!) "Armor All"? On your tires!?! Oh the horror! The horror....


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....Now excuse me while I go "Armor All" my tires...

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just no 20" + wheels!
So you think my friend should take the 20" wheels off his CJ?





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