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Old 07-09-2010, 02:39 PM   #1
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Dana 44 / Ford 9" ?

I know that these are pretty good axles and can be made better with stronger axle shafts but everything still has a limit. I'm looking to shave some money and not go for the Dana 60 / GM 14 bolt because they need to be shorted some and the pumpkins shaved to help with clearance. I know the 44/9 combo is about 4" wider but helps with stability.

So can the 44/9 combo handle a motor with 350 to 400 hp (at the crank) with say 37" tires? If not what can those axles handle or is there a better setup that's reasonable? I'm trying to stay away from the 60/14 cost because I don't have the tools to do this nor the know how, which sucks!

The jeep will be used to drive around town some and defiantly in the mud.

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Old 07-09-2010, 03:42 PM   #2
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the axles can handle the horses... but the tires are pushing it. when you think about it, a 44 can handle 37's with care, the horse power, and rock or deep mud. but when you combine all of that at once, I'm not betting it's going to hold up very long, especially with the deep gears being used to turn those killers.

long story short, I'd go with nothing smaller than 1-tons, and even then you might want want to gusset them up at least and maybe a truss.

you can try it. I'm a fan of run it till you bust it. I'm seriously expecting anything short though is going to bomb with that kind of power, deep mud, and 37's I hate to say. I wouldn't trust it.

what'cha building? looks like you're putting together a serious Pirate Ship. you got a Hemi pumping that thing or a 350 or what? it sound awesome. got any pics?

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the axles can handle the horses... but the tires are pushing it. when you think about it, a 44 can handle 37's with care, the horse power, and rock or deep mud. but when you combine all of that at once, I'm not betting it's going to hold up very long, especially with the deep gears being used to turn those killers.

long story short, I'd go with nothing smaller than 1-tons, and even then you might want want to gusset them up at least and maybe a truss.

you can try it. I'm a fan of run it till you bust it. I'm seriously expecting anything short though is going to bomb with that kind of power, deep mud, and 37's I hate to say. I wouldn't trust it.

what'cha building? looks like you're putting together a serious Pirate Ship. you got a Hemi pumping that thing or a 350 or what? it sound awesome. got any pics?
I don't have anything yet. Just trying to get things lined up and start craig list shopping. My g/f dad has a 95 YJ that I'm getting free (hopefully). It has 2.5L and a 5 speed which isn't going to work for me. I need something with bigger tires and power .

This was what I thinking: FI 350ci, early bronco axles all locked up (beef up the shafts), atlas II or NP 203/205 (adapted together), SOA lift with springs and all the liking's, high steer, and auto tranny (still hashing out what autobox). Now that will cost enough but later on 1 ton's all fixed up and the Atlas II if i don't have it.

Any suggestions or do this instead of that and I'm all ears. I might go down from 37" to use the cheaper set up on axles. I'm taking my last class at UGA and will be getting a job so I will see how funds go.
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oh ok. in that case if you haven't purchased anything, I'd try to sniff out some 60's. avoid the earlier model ones too. the later models are much more stout and on 37's with a 350 turning them, stock might pull it off.

the 350 paired with the Atlas TC seem to be a popular combo among the local Pirate Ships here. not sure about the trans, but do a little research and within 5 mins you should know if they work together well.

I wouldn't downgrade anything. if your embarking on a build this large stick to your guns. if money runs short, wait for more instead of buying smaller axles or whatever. basically all you're going to have of the jeep when it's all said and done is the body and frame anyway, as the entire suspension will need done, driveline, powertrain, and majority of the exhaust system. if it's a trail rig, you can cut alot of corners as far as exhaust and suspension goes.

you appear to know what your doing though. I doubt someone with little mechanical knowledge is going to go through with a build like this. the details you gave were vague, but I can't think why any of that wouldn't work. I'd certainly go with D60's though, or a Ford 10.25", Corporate 14 bolt. I really wouldn't go any larger than that though unless you bust one. besides, a D70 isn't much stronger. these are in stock form by the way. I say this because modifications can be made to a D44 to match a D60 in strength, a Ford 9"-60, etc. but you'll spend almost as much beefing up a D44 as it will to just buy a 60 or 10.25.

buy good driveshafts too. they have a tough job in store, and it's a major problem point for Pirate Ship. get ones with muscle.

I know this looks like overkill...you might be thinking "I'm only running 37" tires...sheesh" but that's a 350 pumping them. Pirate Ships don't do trails, they make them. I promise you, you're going to want a REAL axle, and to me that's nothing smaller than a 1-ton.

please keep us updated on this. we don't have too many Ships around here. I'd love to watch this happen.
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