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Old 01-16-2012, 06:10 AM   #1
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Dealer Oil Change - Asking for Empties Back?

Hey Everyone,

Not going to start a which oil thread, etc.

But lets say you're using oil which is priced a bit high. Dealer will only charge $10 to do the complete OC, etc - if I bring own filter and oil.

In order for them not to just take the oil I bring, and then use just some other oil - is requesting the empty oil containers back one way I'm guaranteed the oil was put in my vehicle?

Am I a bit paranoid thinking that whoever is changing it, might just bring his own vehicle around it, change it/have a laugh with the other techs and then give me the empties, lol.

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Old 01-16-2012, 06:15 AM   #2
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The only way to know for sure is to do your own oil change.

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Old 01-16-2012, 06:34 AM   #3
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The only way to know for sure is to do your own oil change.
I know, I know, I know, lol.

I think about it, and it sounds like a good idea/I read manuals/watch vids but I get all these weird thoughts in my head..

NOT MEANT TO BE ANSWERED - but these actually crossed my mind.

What if I can't take off the filter? Can't take off drain plug. How tight do I put on the filter/drain plug?

What if I don't put the filter on right?

I live on the main street in town, so it's very very busy, over 20K+ cars pass my house a day - so does that mean everyone has to see me bending down, getting under vehicle, etc.

What about oil? How do I recycle it -- do I buy the 5 gallon recycle bucket or just the pan and then drain them back in original empties then recycle them.

Am I going to find the right tools for this?

Since I change my oil does this mean I have to do ALL the other maintenance too - lubing, fluids, etc? How do I do..

HAHA...I know man, intense, but all this SHZZ crosses my mind.

I still might do my own oil, but just thought I'd post the Q.

This post reminds me of this scene:

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I know, I know, I know, lol.

I think about it, and it sounds like a good idea/I read manuals/watch vids but I get all these weird thoughts in my head..

NOT MEANT TO BE ANSWERED - but these actually crossed my mind.

What if I can't take off the filter? Can't take off drain plug. How tight do I put on the filter/drain plug?

What if I don't put the filter on right?

I live on the main street in town, so it's very very busy, over 20K+ cars pass my house a day - so does that mean everyone has to see me bending down, getting under vehicle, etc.

What about oil? How do I recycle it -- do I buy the 5 gallon recycle bucket or just the pan and then drain them back in original empties then recycle them.

Am I going to find the right tools for this?

Since I change my oil does this mean I have to do ALL the other maintenance too - lubing, fluids, etc? How do I do..

HAHA...I know man, intense, but all this SHZZ crosses my mind.

I still might do my own oil, but just thought I'd post the Q.

This post reminds me of this scene:

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Old 01-16-2012, 07:51 AM   #5
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Find a dealer who's reputation is worth more than 5 quarts of oil. Anytime I brought parts or fluids to a shop for them to use, I just stress the importance of me bringing my own for a reason. Ask to be there when they fill if you like, most will walk you out anyway to go over other things the found while curiosity checking your vehicle.
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I know, I know, I know, lol.

I think about it, and it sounds like a good idea/I read manuals/watch vids but I get all these weird thoughts in my head..

NOT MEANT TO BE ANSWERED - but these actually crossed my mind.

What if I can't take off the filter? Can't take off drain plug. How tight do I put on the filter/drain plug?

What if I don't put the filter on right?

I live on the main street in town, so it's very very busy, over 20K+ cars pass my house a day - so does that mean everyone has to see me bending down, getting under vehicle, etc.

What about oil? How do I recycle it -- do I buy the 5 gallon recycle bucket or just the pan and then drain them back in original empties then recycle them.

Am I going to find the right tools for this?

Since I change my oil does this mean I have to do ALL the other maintenance too - lubing, fluids, etc? How do I do..

HAHA...I know man, intense, but all this SHZZ crosses my mind.

I still might do my own oil, but just thought I'd post the Q.
If you cant get the filter off, stab it with a screw driver, it will give you extra leverage, or if you can see the outter ring, you can use a screwdriver and a hammer to gake it off. just use the screw driver like a chisel to force the filter to turn.

If you can't get the drain plug out, a pair of vice grips should work, but if you use the correct size wrench it should be easy, unless hercules was the last person to work on your car.

The filter should spin on easily, if not then the threads are crossed, something is damaged, or you have the wrong filter.

Is there another vehicle you could park infront of you, or are you doing this in the road? I live off a main street and we do welding and fabrication in our driveway. I think at one time we had three vehicles being worked on in our driveway. Do you jsut not like being watched?

Most auto parts stores should take back the used oil. Or your town dump might have a section for used oil.

You will need an oil filter wrench (I use a strap wrench, one size fits all), and a set of wrenches for the oil plug, I forget what size it is. It should fit snugly with out play, but you also shouldn't have to beat it on with a hammer to fit on the head.

Your going to have to grease the joints yourself, it wouldn't hurt to check all your fluid levels, and while your doing it, rotate your tires and check your brakes for wear. I usually do the tires and brakes every other change.
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Sticking a screwdriver thru the filter works - did it a few times myself - but spills oil all over the place. I like strap wrenches, but the best wrench I ever found was a K-D 3288 -- it's got three "claws" that tighten as you turn the wrench. It wasn't cheap, but I've had it more than 20 years and it's still going strong. Twenty more years and one of my grandkids will likely be using it (I hope on MY car!!).
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Cool, just thinking of my options.

I feel it's pretty likely I might do it myself.
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:11 PM   #9
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JeepGirl,

Your questions are typical of new jeep owners... it is not necessary a "girl" thing. We can help you change your oil if you want. It is simple, even for someone new to maintenance... it really is. All you need is the correct tools and they are cheap enough.

As has been mentioned, the only way to know for sure is to do it yourself. (I brought in my van on a cold day to get an oil change at a local "oil changer". Right after the oil change, my motor ran bad... really bad. Low and behold... found 11 quarts of oil in my engine that took only 6 quarts. The guy in the pit, under the van, didn't drain the oil. The guy on top thought he did and put in five more quarts. Obviously he didn't check it with the dip stick.) Anyway, I will be doing my own now... NO MATTER HOW COLD IT GETS!

If you need help, let us know. I personally will be happy to help you. I have five daughters and they will all know how to do this... just in case.

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Old 01-16-2012, 07:01 PM   #10
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JeepGirl,

Your questions are typical of new jeep owners... it is not necessary a "girl" thing. We can help you change your oil if you want. It is simple, even for someone new to maintenance... it really is. All you need is the correct tools and they are cheap enough.

As has been mentioned, the only way to know for sure is to do it yourself. (I brought in my van on a cold day to get an oil change at a local "oil changer". Right after the oil change, my motor ran bad... really bad. Low and behold... found 11 quarts of oil in my engine that took only 6 quarts. The guy in the pit, under the van, didn't drain the oil. The guy on top thought he did and put in five more quarts. Obviously he didn't check it with the dip stick.) Anyway, I will be doing my own now... NO MATTER HOW COLD IT GETS!

If you need help, let us know. I personally will be happy to help you. I have five daughters and they will all know how to do this... just in case.

Take care,
Thanks so much for responding. I <3 the people here, awesome.

I will update when I'm ready to change the oil and let you guys know what happened, the PO's just changed the oil in it.
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I feel your pain but I have one question to ask....do you bring your own steak to a restaurant and ask them to cook it??? High priced oil isn't worth it in a jeep 4.0. I've been putting the cheapest oil in mine for the past 108000 miles and changing it every 3 to 4k and it's fine...I would say either have them put their oil in or do what 1SAS said... It's not very hard and I'm sure someone on the forum lives near you or is willing to talk you through it on the phone... Also, if you have an iPhone you can always FaceTime with someone while you do it, that way they can see exactly what your doing and you can see what they are showing you.

I'm also more than willing to walk you though it on FaceTime....
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:53 PM   #12
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haaaa, JeepGirl, I saw your same post On BobIsTheOiluy.com!
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:27 PM   #13
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consider joining a local jeep club

there you find other jeepers near you willing to help out with anything from basic maintenance to major repairs

and get a service manual
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I just go to my local autoparts store, buy my oil and filter, drain my oil with my drain valve and take my oil pan back to the parts store to get drained for free.

This way I know it's done right.
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Gopro camera mounted in your engine bay with the perspective focused on the oil cap area and what's poured in.

Or, change it yourself .
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Trust me, even if you have no auto know-how, you can change you oil. When I got my first car when I was 17, my dad showed me once and to this day, ive been changing my oil ever since.
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drive jeep into yard, park and chock tires, place oil catch (cat litter pan or bucket works awesome) under oil pan, remove plug and allow to drain into oil pan, set plug aside, remove oil filter (will be tight if dealers have been doing the change but its in a good spot and you can turn it off, use a filter wrench if you cant get it with your hands (dont give up and when you get it off keep it as upright as possible. whipe a film of oil on the seal of new filter, reinstall, a half turn past when it stops should do it, clean oil plug with rag, reinstall, tight enough that you need a wrench not tight enough that it wont come off again lol, refill with new oil from through oil fill hole on top of engine (how much is in your OM) look at filter and drain for leaks, if there are none start engine and let idol for a few min, check oil, add as necessary, check for leaks after letting it run for a bit. remove jeep from lawn, drink beers

and done.

dump the waste oil into the empty containers and put out with the recycle
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What Jebby said.

Changing your own oil is about the simplest thing you can do*, and it saves you money and lets you feel good about yourself, AND you know that you have a good filter and good oil in there.

Not sure about your neighborhood, but most towns don't want the used oil in the "recycle" bin. Our town dump has a tank where you can dump it. If you use one of those hollow drain-pans, you can just take the whole shebang there and drain it into the holding tank.

*Oh... maybe adding air to the tires is simpler.
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The Jiffy Lubes/Walmart/Valvoline service centers around here take used oil free of charge as long as it is not mixed with gear oil, antifreeze or tranny fluid (hence the reason my 5 gallon bucket of said chemicals after a weekend of fluid changing is still in the garage! I shoulda called first because at one time the were all in separate buckets)
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hmmm must just be luckey here. they will pick it up curbside as long as its closed in a marked container.
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hmmm must just be luckey here. they will pick it up curbside as long as its closed in a marked container.
I wish! we do have a recycling center drop off place, but its not real close.
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With a gas engine like a Jeep, ya just have to check the dipstick after the oil change and you can see the new golden color of the oil.

You will also be able to visually see a brand new filter. You can then write the date and milage on the filter with a sharpie or paint pen.

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