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Old 05-03-2013, 11:42 AM   #121
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Thanks this helps! Had mine in recently and ended up being a stabilizing bar but no real problems. Had it bad in my earlier Jeeps

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Old 05-05-2013, 08:09 PM   #122
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How can they blame the road and imprefections in the road if they advertise this vehical can go OFF road onto rugged terrian?

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Old 05-09-2013, 09:53 AM   #123
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What caused the DW in mine (I have an '06 unlimited) was the trackbar. The bushings were bad. I bought the Jeep in December, and I got the DW fixed back in January, I haven't had any problems since, thank God.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:55 AM   #124
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The first video is what happened to me going about 60, I was merging onto the highway, I slowly applied the brakes and it went back to normal. It wasn't as scary as the video looks. . . but it was pretty darn shaky in there. Like a really, really, really badly paved road.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:01 PM   #125
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Old 01-05-2014, 05:36 PM   #126
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I had the Death wobble twice last month , found I had the right front tire only had 8 lbs of air in it and the tire did not look low, adding air fixed the problem
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:09 PM   #127
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After lifting my 2103 Wrangler and adding 35" tires, mine started to wobble almost without notice and sometimes took a while to control. Took it back to the performance shop and they replaced my steering stablizer under warrantly cause it was leaking. Haven't had a problem since. I saw a later model JK on the interstate this week and it seemed to start with one wheel and the whole thing just about fell apart in the middle lane of the interstate. He made it to the edge safely.
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:34 PM   #128
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After lifting my 2103 Wrangler and adding 35" tires, mine started to wobble almost without notice and sometimes took a while to control. Took it back to the performance shop and they replaced my steering stablizer under warrantly cause it was leaking. Haven't had a problem since. I saw a later model JK on the interstate this week and it seemed to start with one wheel and the whole thing just about fell apart in the middle lane of the interstate. He made it to the edge safely.
I hate to break it to you man but that stabilizer is just masking the problem. You need to find the root cause.
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:36 PM   #129
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After lifting my 2103 Wrangler and adding 35" tires, mine started to wobble almost without notice and sometimes took a while to control. Took it back to the performance shop and they replaced my steering stablizer under warrantly cause it was leaking. Haven't had a problem since. I saw a later model JK on the interstate this week and it seemed to start with one wheel and the whole thing just about fell apart in the middle lane of the interstate. He made it to the edge safely.
I hate to break it to you man but that stabilizer is just masking the problem. You need to find the root cause.

Never mind, I just noticed you are driving a model from the future and its probably been fixed by then. I heard that the 2101's and 02's had bad motivators. have they been fixed yet?
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Old 03-17-2015, 11:19 AM   #130
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Just test drove one. Guy said it was the lift kit and tires. I walked away. Scary!! Were only going 20 mph!!!
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:55 AM   #131
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Scaarryy!!
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Old 06-10-2015, 05:45 PM   #132
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Can DW cause catastrophic damage to the car on its own? Or is it "only" dangerous because you can lose control of the thing and run into stuff?
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Old 06-10-2015, 05:59 PM   #133
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Can DW cause catastrophic damage to the car on its own? Or is it "only" dangerous because you can lose control of the thing and run into stuff?
DW can cause premature wear or damage to any of your steering or suspension parts.

If the same vehicle experienced multiple instances of DW over a period of time, then the resultant damage could eventually be "catastrophic," in that would start breaking.
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Old 06-10-2015, 06:08 PM   #134
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Can DW cause catastrophic damage to the car on its own? Or is it "only" dangerous because you can lose control of the thing and run into stuff?
It is unlikely to immediately damage new parts, but it is pretty violent and could easily be the "final straw" that separates a bad hub, pulls a loose TRE off, or cracks loose a rusted steering box/trackbar mount. Any of those could be pretty catastrophic at speed...
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Old 07-13-2015, 03:39 PM   #135
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In reading this thread from the beginning, it is a little disheartening to think of all the nice Jeeps people sold or traded in because they were afraid of them. All for an issue that can be solved. To be blunt, I never heard of DW until I got back into Jeeps last year, and then it seemed as if the issue was limited to Jeeps. Possibly because the Jeep community is more involved with their vehicles, but definitely any vehicle with coil springs and a solid axle is subject to this.

I think some may also have miss understood what DW really is, but they have heard the term and they encounter vibration from an out of balance tire and ergo - DW.

For anyone who has gotten this far and has not dumped their Jeep for pennies on the dollar to get away from it - other makes encounter it too, and it is not terminal to the Jeep. Frame rust is a bigger threat than DW, but make no mistake DW can be and must be fixed. It is not a design flaw, it is a maintenance problem.

There are a lot of moving parts under the front of our beloved Jeep that looks very complex compared to the earlier CJs and YJs with leaf springs. But it is a better suspension. I remember the first time I saw it under a Dodge 2500 4X4 I bought new and it looked confusing to me and it was not until I watched some of these videos that I fully understood the system. I mean the CJs and YJs didn't have control arms, what do they do? Who ever heard of a track bar? Certainly not on a CJ or YJ. But upset the hard fixed u-bolt connection between a CJ/YJ solid axle and the leaf springs and it can have DW as well.

If you catch the problem early, you are only replacing bushings and maybe ball joints but let it go on long enough it can damage major components. The first YT video is about an F250 and caster. I like the analogy the video uses of the vibrating front wheel of a WalMart shopping cart for we have all experienced or seen on that goes down the isle with the front wheel vibrating back and forth. It is caused by caster.

The second video is of a Dodge 2500 (Hemi) which has basically the same front suspension design as does the F250 and our Jeep (both the trucks are heavier of course). The Dodge has almost 200,000 miles on it and during the inspection every bushing and ball joint is about shot. In fact when he wiggles the track bar, a part falls down.

The last link is to an in depth explanation of what is and is not DW, and had an excellent diagram and a two part video of the inspection and diagnosis of the front end problems of a Jeep.

Lastly, if you are not going to fix the issue your self, I would not recommend the typical auto repair shop and maybe not even most dealers. I would instead take it to a good tire shop. Tires and our front end suspensions are related. If the shop does a good amount of commercial work, that is even better for they get to see a lot of high mileage vehicles. I had my tires rotated last year and aligned, and they caught an early caster problem on my stock Rubicon with 117,000 miles.

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Old 01-13-2016, 10:08 AM   #136
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This is funny seeing this post.

My 88 YJ used to get the death wobbles at around 50 mph.

I had 33x12.50 mud tires on it that were worn out and probably out of balance.

I went back to 31x10.50's and it went away.

I have not replaced the shocks or steering damper in years.

All that stuff needs to be replaced but I haven't gotten to it yet.
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Old 01-14-2016, 10:23 AM   #137
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This is funny seeing this post.

My 88 YJ used to get the death wobbles at around 50 mph.

I had 33x12.50 mud tires on it that were worn out and probably out of balance.

I went back to 31x10.50's and it went away.

I have not replaced the shocks or steering damper in years.

All that stuff needs to be replaced but I haven't gotten to it yet.
The Jeeps from the MB through the YJ all had front leaf springs which kept the axle from shifting from side to side. The primary cause of the Death Wobble in later Jeeps is the track bar which keeps the front axle in position getting bent, loose or excessively worn. Then at certain speeds it builds up a harmonic which increases in severity. The only way to stop it when it happens is to stop the vehicle.

Other vibrations such as tires out of balance or out of round can give severe vibrations but they have a speed at which they occur. Slowing back down or speeding up will stop them.

One poster talked of Death Wobble in a new GMC pickup years ago that had a straight axle and leaf springs. When he took it into a dealer, the factory had never installed the U-bolts holding the axle to the springs so it could move freely from side to side.

Death wobble is extremely rare in a vehicle with leaf springs and usually is found in a vehicle that has bolts and other parts broken and/or missing. I never heard of it in a Jeep until the TJ.

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