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Old 09-25-2010, 03:08 PM   #1
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Diesel Wrangler- When will we get one in the US?

Ok, I am sure this has been discussed before but I searched the forum and couldn't find where this subject had been discussed recently. Forgive me if it has, I wasn't able to find the thread.

Having owned a diesel vehicle, the benefits it provides (torque, economy, dependability, etc.), seeing that it is available overseas, I am totally perplexed why we can't have one available for sale in the US. Given this kind of efficiency, I along with others certainly would welcome the improvements we would gain with diesel. With the improvements in diesel emissions by Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen, Audi, etc., coupled with the availability of the Liberty with a diesel engine, why doesn't Jeep offer a diesel version of our beloved Wrangler?

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Or maybe a 5.7L hemi JK

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Ok, I am sure this has been discussed before but I searched the forum and couldn't find where this subject had been discussed recently. Forgive me if it has, I wasn't able to find the thread.

Having owned a diesel vehicle, the benefits it provides (torque, economy, dependability, etc.), seeing that it is available overseas, I am totally perplexed why we can't have one available for sale in the US. Given this kind of efficiency, I along with others certainly would welcome the improvements we would gain with diesel. With the improvements in diesel emissions by Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen, Audi, etc., coupled with the availability of the Liberty with a diesel engine, why doesn't Jeep offer a diesel version of our beloved Wrangler?

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when/if we finally get those will be when I buy a new wrangler, I think it's long overdue, diesel would go perfect in a jeep, so many pro's to it
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when/if we finally get those will be when I buy a new wrangler, I think it's long overdue, diesel would go perfect in a jeep, so many pro's to it

Agreed! My point exactly
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I would buy one tomorrow...
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I just bought my 04 TJ and I've made a total of 1 payment so far but I'd sell it in a heartbeat if they released a diesel wrangler
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I'm still waiting on the JK Truck. Hopefully it'll come with either a diesel or a Hemi option. Then one will live in my garage with my TJ.
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Imagine that, jeep truck with a diesel, that would be a dream come true
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There has been a guy on ebay trying to sell a Wrangler with an Isuzu diesel. He has put it up for sale several times with a reserve but the bidding seems to stop around $42-4300.
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Biggest problem with diesel vehicles in the US is their stupid emissions requirements...apparently most diesels in the US can't meet them which is why there are few diesel vehicles aside from the large trucks which are exempted from the requirements. At least that's what I've been told.
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I'm not sure about the states but in Canada there are so many clean diesel volkswagens, so the emissions shouldn't be an issue, they are obviously capable of building a diesel which passes the emissions requirements, the VW diesels actually put out less emissions than their gas models, and the fuel consumption is no contest along with durability
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I'm not sure about the states but in Canada there are so many clean diesel volkswagens, so the emissions shouldn't be an issue, they are obviously capable of building a diesel which passes the emissions requirements, the VW diesels actually put out less emissions than their gas models, and the fuel consumption is no contest along with durability

Again agreed and my point exactly. Listen to us Jeep!
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Diesels are superior to gas engines in every way but price. A diesel is simple, more fuel efficient, more reliable, longer lasting, ect, ect.

What's crazy is in Europe and South America they have enjoyed for many years diesels in our favorite vehicles. Also a diesel engine with no emissions equipment is cleaner than a gas engine with emissions equipment. With that being said if you was to import a diesel Jeep from Europe it would get at least 10-15% better fuel economy. That's 10-15% reduced emissions for the life of the jeep over a gas jeep. Hello, wake up EPA. It is already cleaner and more fuel efficient than anything currently here but it can't be made here cause it's not clean enough! The EPA probably had a team of 25 take 4 years to to a study on this that cost 25 million to come to this stupid conclusion!!
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in Europe, clean diesel exist for a long time, I'm from France and moved to the US in 1994, already at that time we had clean diesel. fuel economy is/was close to 50%. (same car for example, gas engine would do 500km to a tank, diesel version would do 750km....)
what pushed Eurooean country to use diesel is purely economic. diesel gas was cheaper than regular gas, taxation (like registration here) was cheaper with diesel engine. so the demand was very high by consumers.

now, in the states, when I arrived in 94, the gallon of gas (87) was $ 0.79. at that time, nobody cared about the price at the pump as it was so cheap. no auto manufactor was pushed to make a more efficient engine with good performances, instead it was a "race" of bigger engine that would eat your gas tank like there is no tommorrow. now the economy as changed and its a differrnt story.
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I've always like diesels since I was 5yrs old. I liked the sound and in 83 I found out everything else that I like about a diesel. I read in a news article recently that if all cars in the US were diesel powered we could save like 123 million gallons of fuel a day! Talk about going green!

It still boggles my mind that in a LA the air coming out of a 4 stroke diesel engine is cleaner then the air going in and it saves 15% on fuel and the EPA wont let certain diesels come to this country. They should exempt all 4 stroke diesels. In Ohio and my county it costs me $58 a year to register my gas truck. If it was a diesel or I swapped in a diesel it should be free or minimal like $2.
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Be carful what you wish for ? Anyone really know the fuel milage of the diesel Liberty ( I DO) . That and the service cost is way more then a Gas motor .

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i can live with a higher service cost if i am getting twice the gasmilage as i am now thats about the only trade off that there is
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i can live with a higher service cost if i am getting twice the gasmilage as i am now thats about the only trade off that there is
And that is the problem MILEAGE it,s not going to be ANY better (thanks EPA)

a Liberty Diesel will get 17/18 mpg at best plus fuel will cost more as will oil changes .

The same motor in Europe would double that (thanks EPA)

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Really not as great as everyone thinks. Loud, heavy, coldblooded, and expensive to buy and operate. And if you can't say urea and know what it is you really have no business driving a diesel. Oh and let's not forget the DPF which all diesels in the USA must run now. The DPF goes into regen mode every so often then the damn thing won't idle right and works best at highway speeds, not while offroading. Oh and don't forget to plug that thing in tonite as it's cold out and if you need it to start, well it might not in cold weather. I own a fleet of real diesel trucks and have been around diesels for 40 years. Havnt had a diesel pickup since 1999 and don't want one of them either. Real diesels are 625 HP CATS with 2050 FPT and belong in class trucks that can gross way over 100 thousand pounds. And don't forget in less then a year we may have 4 to 5 dollar gas and 6 dollar diesel. Enjoy!
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As I'm sure ya all are aware by now, I have the luxury of a diesel and I love it. 2.8 Litre CRD engine that returns between 26 & 28 mpg.

The torque and the turbo come in handy for acceleration when needed, even in 6th gear, it just pulls like a train.

Regards the cold weather start, mine cranks over and fires into life at 14degF no problem at all. It does sound loud and rattle like whilst cold, bit once warm sounds fine.

Servicing costs are no more than a gas engine here in the UK. Don't forget, we have no spark plugs!

On the downside, diesel engines can be more expensive when repairs might be required.
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KSCRUDE thank you . Alot of people just don,t know and think a Diesel would be so nice . In truth if you could have just a Diesel motor without all the smog crap it would be ok (not going to happen)

My friend bought his wife a new Liberty Diesel and was telling me how good life was going to be . He was going on and on 36 mpg and run for ever . When he got all done I ask what the sticker on the window said about mileage ? He said O it,s always set low ( it said 17/18). The first tank of fuel I ask about mileage and was told it needed to breakin . Two months later his wife put gas in it $600.00 bucks later it,s back running . Now it has an air leak and not running well .

I can work on my gas motor can you work on a Diesel ??

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cold weather is not a problem anymore with diesel engine, how do you think they do in Europe where about 75% of the vehicule are diesel, everything stop in the winter ?
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cold weather is not a problem anymore with diesel engine, how do you think they do in Europe where about 75% of the vehicule are diesel, everything stop in the winter ?

So you think the Diesel in Europe is the same as we get ?

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having owned a VW diesel, many of the points you make about diesel Banger were not experienced by me. I drove it with no problems, including in 5 Degree weather. You are correct in that the oil changes are expensive, but only recommended every 10k miles which offset the higher costs. It was also a turbo diesel so that may have helped the emissions issue with Urea? If the stinking governments would step out of the way and let us have the same engines we can purchase overseas, it would make it so much simpler, IMHO. Why should we be penalized when the rest of the world is using them? Makes no sense to me.
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I agree to point the Diesel is a good way to go . The problem is we in the U.S. can,t buy one that don,t have the smog stuff on it . The same motor that is/was in the Liberty gets way better mileage in Europe . I can,t see paying the price for the Diesel ? You still get poor mileage plus the cost of the option when buying .

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Our diesels at work have no problem starting in this weather as long as you aren't an idiot and crank it over without letting the glow plugs heat up...and our highs lately have barely broken the 20*F mark.

On the topic of the diesel liberties...my buddy was looking for one for ages. He finally found one and drove it for about 3 months before he turned around and sold it. Always had a check engine light kicking on over one thing or another and it apparently didn't do as good on gas as he expected either. Sure seemed nice to me...but apparently it wasn't as nice as it appeared.
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Diesel is the way to go. Some diesels are as quiet as gassers but why would you want that? Diesels are supposed to be louder. Hard to start not a problem. If it is then you have a problem. Cold blooded, not at all. Expensive to operate, false. We only need to change filters on a tune-up. No ignition system. More oil, yes. Expensive to buy, I'll give you that one. As far as emissions systems, they do rob us of fuel economy but if you tow or pull with it it beats a gassser on fuel mileage any day. There are several delete kits or you can make some of the parts yourself. Some people don't like them because of what they don't know or think they know.

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x2, or you could get a pre-emissions oil burner and have all the mileage in the world with no epa crap
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for some reason I though they sold deisel Jk's. I've heard of people dropping 4bt cummins in jeeps and they're ridiculously powerful.

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