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Old 12-09-2009, 06:43 AM   #1
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Question Driving in the snow

I admit, I am completely incompetent. I'm 19, I'm a female, I'm no stranger to absolutely retarded accidents, so I'm afraid of driving in the snow. I'm not afraid of hurting my jeep, I'm afraid of hurting someone elses car and the ensuing insurance fees.

I used to own a mercury lynx and that thing weighed atleast 5 tons, so I'm used to just gunning it and being fine in the snow. However, that's not the case with my jeep. I've got a 99 sahara, 4.0L, standard, 21" all terrain tires. I put it in 4H when offroading and that's all fine, but I was told to put it in 4L when driving on snowy roads. But, it just doesn't "feel" right. My engine makes crazy revving noises and I'm already up to 3,000RPM at 15mph in 4th gear. Does this sound right, or am I doing something completely wrong?

Since the RPMs get so high, is it really bad to be in, say, 5th at 20mph?

Say I'm going up a fairly steep hill thats covered in snow. What gear should I be in, and about how fast should I be going?

And one last question: does 4H affect the turning radius at all? I ended up having to throw it in reverse to make a turn, somehow I completely overshot it even though I make that turn all the time when theres no snow.

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You should be in 4H when driving on snow. If your offroading on snow trails you might want 4L but for around town on snow it's 4H. The turning radius between 4H and 4L is going to be the same. But on slick surfaces(like snow) you will notice a difference in turning between 2wd and 4wd because there is always a slight difference in speed between the front and rear axles which is why you don't drive in 4wd on dry pavement.

I have NEVER had a problem turning around in snow. I just slow way down, shift into 2wd and push the skinny pedal really hard while holding the steering wheel to full lock in the direction I want to turn. Piece of cake. When I was a kid my grandfather also taught me how to make right angle turns when making a left or right turn. I love driving in the snow.

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Old 12-09-2009, 06:59 AM   #3
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first go smack the person who advised you on 4lo. you only want to use that at low speeds. i would say 10mph or less. 4hi was always fine with my jeep. then go as fast as you think appropriate. i was always told just cause you can get going fast with 4wd doesnt mean you can stop fast.
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I have no problem with my jeep going in the snow, problems are run into are stopping and trying to keep it going in a straight line. With the short wheel base jeeps want to spin around like tops, and when they start to slide it can be very difficult to get them back in line. Just take it easy when the roads are snowy, don't go to fast and you will be fine. Soon enough you will become comfortable with driving in the snow.
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Chelsea: have fun with your Jeep, and congrats to you for asking!
I'd really recommend you go somewhere safe and legal, and practice winter driving. Big empty parking lot, or something like that. Spin out. Brake hard and skid. Make snow angel patterns. It's really fun, and it is excellent experience for learning how to drive in the snow.

4Lo is for really nasty, low speed things. Mud, snow, rocks, post-apocalyptic parking garages, whatever. But SLOW.

Have you ever had a mountain bike? You know that really small gear up front? When you use that gear, your legs have to go around like crazy just to go anywhere. But it's really nice to have on a steep hill. That's 4LO.


Snowy street driving:
It's all about traction, momentum, straight lines, and respect.

Traction: 4x4 really helps here, but low Jeep gears can actually be a drawback. Torque is the enemy of traction. Back to that bike example: if you have it in real low gears, and stomp on the pedal, you're just as likely to make the tire spin in place as to move you forward. Same thing with your Jeep. You may want to start in 2nd gear, and be easy on the gas.

Momentum: once you're moving, it's easier to stay moving. plan ahead.

Straight lines: with less friction, it's much harder to turn where and when you want. Try to keep as straight as you can, and plan your corners. Slow lane changes.

Respect: Lots of stopping distance, lots of room to slide, lots of room for the other cars.
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Old 12-09-2009, 09:47 AM   #6
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Well, there's the problem.

Roads still arent plowed yet, and I drove in 4hi. It was fine. Just like driving in dirt. My boyfriend is a &#%^%% idiot, I'm going to do more than smack him. Jesus, I went through like a quarter tank of gas driving 5 miles in 4lo.

Well, thanks guys, atleast I've got smarter men to talk to
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Just give him a smack in the back of the head and say NO!!!
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Good advice, always liave several car lengths between you and the guy in front, stay with traffic speeds and don't be passing somebnody unless it's NECESSARY



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Just give him a smack in the back of the head and say NO!!!
4hi is the accepted gear for town and short country runs

As far as snow driving, 4lo is for very low tire pressure and very slow/DEEP SNOW,

Sometimes use you ebrake (lightly) on ice or if you start to skid-good luck

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You have received some good advice, especially the empty parking lot. Everyone that drives on snow and ice has at least momentarily lost control. The main reason is speed. Perhaps your boyfriend was trying to keep you slowed down If you are in 4wd hi, I would suggest you don't need 5th gear and probably not 4th either. Have fun.
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Just because you have a 4x4 doesn't mean you should go faster than the 2wd kia rio next to you. Use 4wd and go slow and you will have nothing to worry about. Just make sure if you do go into a slide not to over correct your steering because when your tires do bite you will be screwed. Large snowy parking lots are your best bet to get a feel for the jeep and driving in the snow. Get moving at a decent speed crank the wheel sideways a bit and give it gas, when you start to slide practice trying to straiten it out without losing to much control. After a while you will be a pro and be able to power slide 100 feet into your parking spot at work Have fun and stay safe!
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The town where my cousins all grew up had this humongous air strip from an old air force base - acres and acres of blacktop. It's where kids learned to drive stick shifts. In the winter, everyone went out to play there - you could skid for miles and not hit anything.

I'm jealous just thinking about it.

Here in Colorado we have Ice Racing - some guys are competitive, but they have stock classes for 4x4s, and for cars on regular tires. It's funny racing - slow, no-contact, lots of sliding. But I'm definitely going this year!
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You have received some good advice, especially the empty parking lot. Everyone that drives on snow and ice has at least momentarily lost control. The main reason is speed. Perhaps your boyfriend was trying to keep you slowed down If you are in 4wd hi, I would suggest you don't need 5th gear and probably not 4th either. Have fun.
Haha! My boyfriend has a warrant so I never speed because I'm too afraid of getting pulled over and him being within 100ft of an officer

Plus, I'm fully aware that a Wrangler is the most impractical/dangerous vehicle, especially for a teenager, so I am extra careful. Actually, front page of the newspaper the day after I bought it was a guy a few towns over who had died when his wrangler rolled on the highway. Yeah, my parents were thrilled to see that.
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My boyfriend has a warrant so I never speed because I'm too afraid of getting pulled over and him being within 100ft of an officer
hmmm...he tells you to use 4lo and he has a warrant, sounds like you know how to pick them Chelsea!
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hmmm...he tells you to use 4lo and he has a warrant, sounds like you know how to pick them Chelsea!
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My thoughts exactly...

Just turn him in to the local police station, then you wont have to deal with stupid answers to practical question.
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So being a first time Jeep owner as well I am assuming I can "shift on the fly" with out damage. Ex. From 2 Hi to 4 Hi and back to 2 Hi. I have ESP and I am just a little cautious about using 4wd, but here in the northeast (lots of snow) and a long commute to work I figured this would be a nice feature to have. I am also a little worried about the turning radius. Oh yeah I have a 2009 X and from what I am gathering 4 hi at highway speeds are ok?
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Haha! My boyfriend has a warrant so I never speed because I'm too afraid of getting pulled over and him being within 100ft of an officer
Last time one of my friends had a warrant, i told him if the cops knocked on my door looking for him, i would personally escort the cops to his hiding place(he has no permanent address right now). Then i would kick his A$$ and hand over his broken corpse to the Staties to do with as they wished. shortly thereafter, he turned himself in and got the whole thing fixed.

The moral of the story? Dump his sorry behind right now before the cops bust you for aiding and abetting a fugitive.
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Well, this thread took a turn, didn't it. And a hard right at that.
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Last time one of my friends had a warrant, i told him if the cops knocked on my door looking for him, i would personally escort the cops to his hiding place(he has no permanent address right now). Then i would kick his A$$ and hand over his broken corpse to the Staties to do with as they wished. shortly thereafter, he turned himself in and got the whole thing fixed.

The moral of the story? Dump his sorry behind right now before the cops bust you for aiding and abetting a fugitive.
Sheesh you guys sure are concerned over my love life!

FYI, his warrant is because of an old assault case that he owes restitution on. He's a recovering addict and has been clean for some time now, and he's going to the courthouse in two weeks, with the money, to settle the case. He's a really good guy, I promise.

He likes to go offroading with me. My last boyfriend thought it was childish and immature. Yeah, so, as far as I'm concerned, 'sall good.
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Sheesh you guys sure are concerned over my love life!

FYI, his warrant is because of an old assault case that he owes restitution on. He's a recovering addict and has been clean for some time now, and he's going to the courthouse in two weeks, with the money, to settle the case. He's a really good guy, I promise.

He likes to go offroading with me. My last boyfriend thought it was childish and immature. Yeah, so, as far as I'm concerned, 'sall good.
My friends warrant was for child support.
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So being a first time Jeep owner as well I am assuming I can "shift on the fly" with out damage. Ex. From 2 Hi to 4 Hi and back to 2 Hi. I have ESP and I am just a little cautious about using 4wd, but here in the northeast (lots of snow) and a long commute to work I figured this would be a nice feature to have. I am also a little worried about the turning radius. Oh yeah I have a 2009 X and from what I am gathering 4 hi at highway speeds are ok?
Yes you can shift on the fly to 4hi, but not 4 lo.
The turning radius of a jeep in 4wd will be 1/100th of any other SUV on the market so dont worry about it. My jeep can turn a circle in half the space of my moms ford taurus.

Yes 4Hi at highway speeds is okay, u wont hurt the jeep. But there is really no need, if you feel comfortable enough to go 50-60 in the snow then its not snowy enough to need 4wd anyway.
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Yes 4Hi at highway speeds is okay, u wont hurt the jeep. But there is really no need, if you feel comfortable enough to go 50-60 in the snow then its not snowy enough to need 4wd anyway.
you know i'm always surprised by how fast some nuts drive on a snow covered highway. congratulations you have traction. good luck if you ever have to come to a stop going those speeds in the snow!
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Plus, I'm fully aware that a Wrangler is the most impractical/dangerous vehicle,
WAIT. just hold on...wrangler impractical? how? Its the most practical vehicle I have out of the 3 I'd say its definitely the most practical. However if I had better parking at work, I'd drive my other one 99% of the time.

Safe? sure its safe, just keep the wheels on the ground, and you'll be fine.

I'm not going to go near your b/f warrant problems...unless there's a crimestoppers reward on him
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Not very practical for a daily driving vehicle. Awful MPG, can't fit shit in the back and even less in the trunk, have to lock everything of value in the trunk, thing rolls like a barrel...come on, that's pretty impractical. For a 19 year old student, it is impractical. For offroading, it's practical as hell. But...I probably spend 95% of my time in that thing going to class.
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I understand the DD impractical thing. What you said is true, but...driving an econobox will never bring the feelings of joy you'll get from your jeep. Life's too short to be practical all the time. Just plan to leave valuables at home or carry them with you.

As for snow driving, the others have all answered your questions, but remember that turning in 4wd can create serious understeer as your front tires lose traction under too much power, so just take it easy, and you'll do fine. I doubt I'd have reason to use
4wd at highway speeds, if you need it, you shouldn't be going that fast. Even in snow, I usually just leave it in 2wd for driving on pavement, and I get traction just fine, as long as I take it easy on the peddle. I figure 4wd is for not getting stuck, not for driving around. The AWD systems are better at that.
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I'd really recommend you go somewhere safe and legal, and practice winter driving. Big empty parking lot, or something like that. Spin out. Brake hard and skid. Make snow angel patterns. It's really fun, and it is excellent experience for learning how to drive in the snow.
While your entire post is great advice, I'd like to single this out^^^^!

This is the best advice that can be had, for learning to drive in the snow/ice.

I have been giving this advice for about twenty five years & used to do it myself every year during the first big snowfall, when I lived in Philly.
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