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Old 05-19-2008, 12:36 PM   #31
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sorry i forgot where i was for a moment i take my comments back
young man listen to your father and kiss and hug hm every day
i love you and dont want you to get hurt so drive with the doors on please
There you go. Now that wasn't so bad, was it?

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Old 05-19-2008, 12:51 PM   #32
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do whatever you want but your still 17 and your dad still owns you and probably the jeep there for he can revoke either one of those things at any time keep the doors on and keep the jeep and besides all you do is let more stuff blow away with the doors off

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Old 05-19-2008, 03:30 PM   #33
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im 17 too and ive used this forum to show my dad things about my jeep! i dont see why we cant teach our parents anything, if it is indeed as safe as without them why is he not allowed to teach his dad something?
Why not tell ur dad, "hey dad I did some research on it and its not any more dangerous with the doors off then with them on, could i please take them off?! If you want you can look on here........."

if he still says no then listen to him, but u might change his mind, and in a perfectly respectful way

it also shows him you really care and want to take them off, and your doing it in a mature way, not whining or just taking them off once you get around the block



Everything your parents tell you isnt right jsut because they told u it, they're just regular people and regular people dont know everything and make mistakes
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Old 05-19-2008, 04:23 PM   #34
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^^^^ Smart 17 year old I agree
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:20 PM   #35
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I didn't read what everyone else posted but I'll throw my 2 cents out there.

If you're 17 then your dad knows what is safe and what isn't safe. It doesn't matter what a bunch of people on the internet say, it's what your dad says. Leave them on and enjoy the fact that your dad is cool enough to let you drive a Jeep in the first place. I know when I was 17 my parents wouldn't let me near a Jeep.
Thats funny, I would not let my kids get anything other than a jeep once they started driving. My daughter T boned a saturn in her TJ that made a left oncoming turn in front of her, doing 40, broke the saturn in half and pushed it 30 ft into a telephone pole, bent the bumper and fender chin, cracked windshield from her biology text book hitting the windshield, broken marker lights. That was it. You either run into or get run into by a YJ or TJ and it's like either getting hit or running into a boulder. My son got hit head on by an Infinity, he was stopped at a stop sign on his way home from school when this woman came around off the hiway and hit him doing 50. Drove him backwards 30 feet with with his brakes locked, 31x10.50's too. The infinity separated at the firewall and it took two tow trucks to pick up the pieces. He drove home and we replaced the driver side headlight, marker and pulled and beat the grill back out and replaced the bumper. Then she tried to blame him ranting he 'ran the stop sign', 'speeding', etc, he was sitting on the hood and the trooper asked him, he just pointed to the skid marks and smiled. Too bad they don't give tickets for lying to cops. The wranglers, TJ and YJ have much thicker body metal than most of the cars out there and with a good set of steel bumpers tend to transfer the crumple zone from the jeep to whatever contacts it... Usually within a week or two of getting them we put warn bumpers on the front and custom ones on the rear...
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:24 PM   #36
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^^^^ Smart 17 year old I agree
As I discovered, kids don't come with an owners manual, you just try to do the right thing and advise them, girls *usually* listen but boys, sheeeeet, they just gotta pee on the electric fence to see for themselves...
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It took me three times of peeing on the fence to realize it was electric and not an infection making the burning feeling.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:18 PM   #38
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Thats funny, I would not let my kids get anything other than a jeep once they started driving. My daughter T boned a saturn in her TJ that made a left oncoming turn in front of her, doing 40, broke the saturn in half
You must have forgotten about the plastic panels the Saturns come with. Remember the commercials where the shopping carts bounce off the doors and panels and pop right back into place? The problem in that instance was more the Saturn than the Jeep.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:08 PM   #39
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I commute in a Saturn and if I get hit by a fat kid on a moped i'm done, let alone a jeep.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:44 PM   #40
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Like the great Brad Paisley song says,

When you argue without your daddy, just assume that Daddy's right...






Or something like that...
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I'm not going to tell you to listen to your dad. I know I didn't always do it.

As mentioned, the TJ's doors, especially the half doors, do NOT offer much in the way of structural rigidity in an accident. That said, I'd much rather be t-boned with them on than off. As far as safety, the biggest risk with doors off is obviously falling out. To prevent that, just wear a seatbelt. It IS law pretty much everywhere, and it is just plain smart to do so. My son and I were driving down I-65 south of Nashville and he fell asleep with the doors off despite me telling him not to. A couple of times, he kinda flopped like he was gonna fall out, but the seatbelt stopped him. He woke up after that.

If you want the open feeling, safari doors (those tube doors) are a good option, as are the soft fabric doors.

Rockers to add some strength to the side of the tub if that is his concern, and IMO, offer a better structural piece than the doors do.

Even if your state does not require them, get mirrors for when they are off. I use mirror relocation brackets and take the OEM mirrors off the doors and move em to the windshield pillar. I know I don't have to, but I still like to see what is around me when I'm on the road.
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It took me three times of peeing on the fence to realize it was electric and not an infection making the burning feeling.
funniest thing i heard all week thanks
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Old 07-20-2008, 05:22 AM   #43
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Like the great Brad Paisley song says,

When you argue without your daddy, just assume that Daddy's right...
uhh yeah, because everyone knows who brad paisley is ...
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Old 07-20-2008, 07:32 AM   #44
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All I know is I am taking my doors off and going topless. I am 56 and nobody tells me what to do. Except maybe my wife :-)
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Old 07-20-2008, 10:44 AM   #45
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hey i ride with my leg out and on the rocker panel (sometimes)! but i agree, it's not the safest thing to do in the world, but i enjoy the wind in my sandals! haha...
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:30 PM   #46
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Freedom is a two edged sword. As long as you live under your fathers roof, I suggest you listen to him. On the other hand, your Jeep, without doors, is far safer than riding a motorcycle. When you get out on your own, paying your own way, you can call all of your own shots. That is what its all about. As long as you live under your fathers roof, best advice I can give, is listen to him, and obey him. Nothing wrong with having your own ideas, and making your own decisions, but you better be ready to support yourself too.
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No one here is qualified to get between you and your dad. If he says it's too dangerous, it's too dangerous. When you show him your college diploma you can do anything you want to do. Enjoy your jeep.

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