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Old 02-22-2012, 07:09 AM   #751
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Over the last 3 weeks, I think I've been waved back to maybe three times. Nobody even looks at me anymore. What's up?

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Old 02-22-2012, 09:37 AM   #752
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I been wheeling for 26 years, I've wheeled the west coast the east coast and the south so I know I'm not a wanna be. But when I see a 4 year old Jk with every chrome adornment and big tires with no lift and the jeep owner tells me, " oh no, I don't wanna be in your Offroad club, I don't take my Jeep Offroad", that's a wanna be.

And yes the Jk did help Jeep sales and the after market product sales, no denying that. But the truth is a lot of ppl buy the Jk expecting it to drive like a car, they learn otherwise and dump the Jeep on a used car lot. These too are the wanna be's. The Jeep Wrangler used to be marketed as an enthusiast vehicle, but not no more all for the sake of increasing sales. All this JK turnover is causing Jk owners to lose value on they're Jeeps because the market is flooded with used Jeeps. The Jk is not a bad Jeep, it's just that non-enthusiast are buying them and the don't understand the Jeep culture. Kinda like when yuppies started buying Harleys (rubs. Rich urban bikers). They didn't understand the Harley culture and got a rude awakening.

You really should take a 2012 for s spin. You just might like it! We were both "purists" until we started appreciating the JK for what it is a few years ago. It's the next step in the evolution of the Jeep Wrangler. At that time, we started waving to them, but we would never have considered buying one let alone two within 7 months of one another!

Then along came this very nice looking 70th Anniversary Edition. He relented and drove it. He was hooked! I adored Pedro, our old TJ, but the Bullet is better as a DD AND an off road vehicle. New is only bad if they water it down and take away the functionality that has been a trademark for 71 years. Sorry, but if these vehicles had lacked the core functionality that I demand in a vehicle, then we would not have plopped over 70K down on two. We would have replaced the Super Duty with a new Super Duty, gotten a fuel efficient car, and kept the TJ as our toy with the Super Duty as his Tow Pig.

Will JK's become "acceptable" to you when the next iteration comes out?

By the way, I have a list of mods that we are doing to both as soon as we get over check writing shock so that when we DO take BOTH off road for some serious fun, they will be ready and protected. This makes us smart and aware of our financial and equipment limitations.

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Old 02-22-2012, 09:52 AM   #753
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Guys, by the term wanna be I don't mean a stock Wrangler, but rather a stock Wrangler that is not taken off road. I am president of an off road club and I've invited several Wrangler owners to join, many times I'm told by the owner that they don't go off road and most of those ppl are JK owners.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:03 AM   #754
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The reason I don't care for JK's is all the plastic, geez it has a plastic grille! And if you put 35's on the front axle and wheel it, the axle will bend, even on the Dana 44. I have lots of friends with JK's so I know the Jk and I have driven them. Ever see how thin the metal is on the doors? I just can't see the JK's lasting long as they just don't seem to be as durable as past Jeeps. My 65th anniversary edition is prolly the last Wrangler I will have since new.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:29 AM   #755
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Guys, by the term wanna be I don't mean a stock Wrangler, but rather a stock Wrangler that is not taken off road. I am president of an off road club and I've invited several Wrangler owners to join, many times I'm told by the owner that they don't go off road and most of those ppl are JK owners.
Jeep Lunatic, we're not piling on. I think the point of this is that there are a lot of legitimate reasons why people buy JKs. Some really want to go offroad such as you and your club members, and it's great at that. Have a blast! But it's good at a lot of other things too.

Other Wrangler owners want something that'll do fishing and fire trails. Some need baby-kid-dog-haulers that are fun to drive. Some just want a 4-door convertible. Others just want to drive something that's unique and fun, and will go almost anywhere (whether they actually get off-road or not). Some live out in the middle of nowhere and want the most versatile bad-weather car they can get. Some drive Wranglers because they're hell-bound not to be seen in a minivan. Some buy a JK with the idea of heavy mods and off-roading after it's paid for. Some live at the beach or the desert, and want a car that won't get stuck in the sand. Others buy Wranglers because they have friends with FJ Cruisers and Hummers, and their friends need to get rescued in the woods every now and then.

All of these are good reasons to buy a Wrangler. I'm sure there are more.

What fired up people is that you kind of spray painted most JK owners who aren't extreme off-roaders as 'wanna bes'. But they don't want to go off-road for whatever reason, and that's cool. Anyway, wouldn't that make them 'don't wanna bes'?! Hey, live and let live.

My watch is rated for 100m of water, but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump in the ocean and try it. My cell phone is capable of all kinds of crap, but all I do with it is talk the least amount possible and check Email. Fine with me. My JK can almost climb a tree (actually, with a winch it can climb a tree), but that doesn't mean I'm going to try it.

All I'm saying is, everybody relax. There are a lot of good reasons to have a JK, and wheeling is a good one, but it's only one reason. All the other reasons are good, too. The core of the Wrangler brand is individuality, and Jeep owners themselves should get that more than anybody. Why bust another owner's chops because they don't use their car the way someone else thinks they should?

I'm glad there are enough JK owners out there to keep the Wrangler alive and being continuously improved.

I get a kick out of the wave, and I wish more Jeep owners would clue in. My two cents.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:53 AM   #756
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The title of this thread is education of jeep wave whatever. What I'm pointing out is that it's awfully hard to get a JK owner to wave when they don't live the Jeep culture. My friends who know me know I have a love/hate relationship with the JK, more precisely the 4 door model, I don't think a Wrangler should have four doors and neither should a Corvette. I get fewer waves from JK owners than from other Wrangler models or CJ's or Flatties, simply because a lot of these ppl drive a JK because as you state they don't want to be caught dead on a minivan, so they have no clue about the Jeep wave because they are a minivan person hiding in a Jeep. And as soon as the realize the Jeep rides ruff and doesn't corner like a car it will end up on the used car lot and that person will go on with their life not enjoying being waved at by strangers in a Jeep.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:05 AM   #757
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The title of this thread is education of jeep wave whatever. What I'm pointing out is that it's awfully hard to get a JK owner to wave when they don't live the Jeep culture. My friends who know me know I have a love/hate relationship with the JK, more precisely the 4 door model, I don't think a Wrangler should have four doors and neither should a Corvette. I get fewer waves from JK owners than from other Wrangler models or CJ's or Flatties, simply because a lot of these ppl drive a JK because as you state they don't want to be caught dead on a minivan, so they have no clue about the Jeep wave because they are a minivan person hiding in a Jeep. And as soon as the realize the Jeep rides ruff and doesn't corner like a car it will end up on the used car lot and that person will go on with their life not enjoying being waved at by strangers in a Jeep.
I own a 4dr jk.. and mine sees the mud.. the 2dr doesn't fit all my kids and they love to get in the mud right along with me.. I think u are just singling out jk owners as not waving because u don't like the jk.. I wave to everyone in a jeep and have the time no one waves back including those in a Tj and cj.. I think it depends in the person... so don't think all 4dr jeeps don't get mud on the tires... ok im off the soapbox.. :wave:!!
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And here's another thing I've noticed about Jk owners, they like to lower them and sport 22" wheels with rubber band tires LMAO and all the chrome they can find. I cringe when I see these ppl. Wish I could vaporize the Jeep and prohibit them from owning another one.
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And here's another thing I've noticed about Jk owners, they like to lower them and sport 22" wheels with rubber band tires LMAO and all the chrome they can find. I cringe when I see these ppl. Wish I could vaporize the Jeep and prohibit them from owning another one.
OK I totally agree with u there! Actually I agree with a lot of ur statements. And I really do hate the wussified owners that don't really understand the real "JEEP THING".
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And here's another thing I've noticed about Jk owners, they like to lower them and sport 22" wheels with rubber band tires LMAO and all the chrome they can find. I cringe when I see these ppl. Wish I could vaporize the Jeep and prohibit them from owning another one.



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And then there's the 2012 wrangler. OMG why not call it an H4?
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:47 PM   #762
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So-I always forget what car I'm driving and don't remember to wave the first few times. Then I'm back in my pickup truck and trying not to wave to Jeeps bc that'd make no sense to them-they don't know I drive a Wrangler too. And then sometimes I get a wave from some strange looking guys and I'm trying to figure out why the heck the creep thinks he knows me well enough to wave...and then I realize he's driving a Jeep and so am I and I'm the jerk now...maybe I'll get it right when my new JKU comes in...
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^^^^^^^ hahaha this has happened to me.
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:22 PM   #764
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That's one of the things that turned me on to jeep. The community of jeep owners is awesome. I can't get a bike since I always have the kids with me because the wife works an opposite shift from me. I love the freedom of 4 X4 but I love to go wheelin with the kids. Can't wait to waive in my first NEW vehicle with the 2012 JKU. I just have to wait a few more months to have the wifes car paid off.
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I got my jeep back in Augest. They told me about the jeep wave. But most of the time people dont wave back(sad day). Seems like the guys wave more then the girls.
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"And yes the Jk did help Jeep sales and the after market product sales, no denying that. But the truth is a lot of ppl buy the Jk expecting it to drive like a car, they learn otherwise and dump the Jeep on a used car lot. These too are the wanna be's. The Jeep Wrangler used to be marketed as an enthusiast vehicle, but not no more all for the sake of increasing sales. All this JK turnover is causing Jk owners to lose value on they're Jeeps because the market is flooded with used Jeeps. The Jk is not a bad Jeep, it's just that non-enthusiast are buying them and the don't understand the Jeep culture. Kinda like when yuppies started buying Harleys (rubs. Rich urban bikers). They didn't understand the Harley culture and got a rude awakening.[/QUOTE]


Well I can tell you that I have wanted a jeep for a long time and it was not an overnight thought. When I started looking up prices I found out that it made more sense to buy one brand new. I am in collage and I needed to take out a loan for my jeep and that was easier to do with the new ones. I could have got a older one, or for a 3 or 4 thousand more get a brand new one. Not going to lie my jeep is my baby and when the rocks hit, I due cringe just a bit because Iím worried I will mess it up. Due to being in school and in a sorority I donít have a lot of extra money to spend on it if I mess it up. I take it off road any chance that I get. I park it in strange places just because I can. I love to see what my jeep can do and I love being able to go anywhere. I love the fact that when Iím around the guys they are like wow cool car letís take it off roading. Whereas my friends that are girls just donít get it. It may not be that fast and sometimes it can be a little ruff. But itís all worth it when you can take it anywhere and not worry about it getting stuck and there is nothing better than having that top off. As a new jeep owner I can say Iím not getting rid of this anytime soon and I would not trade it for anything. I had a mustang and now I have "minion". It's a big change and Iím still learning what I can and can't do. So give us a chance and teach us. We are part of the jeep family donít forget us, just understand that it takes some time to learn. Itís a big change, trust me my ears are open for suggestions and tips.
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My turn, I just read all 26 pages so I kinda feel entitled. When I bought a Harley I had absolutely no intention of joining a club, or hanging out at dealerships in rocking chairs dressed like a land pirate. The limited amount of time I have to ride I'm gonna be riding, and not to and from bars. Do I wave at other bikes, you bet! Some of my friends used to go on rides with me and they would often ask about my waving etiquette 'cuz I even wave at scooters, who cares right? Apparently that made them less tough to be riding with some jacka$$ that waves at Kymcos. The only time I don't wave is when I'm busy in traffic, then I can still nod my head - and I don't care if you are a lawyer on a Harley, a Bandito, or wearing a pink helmet on your Vespa you will get acknowledged.

If you really feel "better" than that guy in a suit driving a JK, then don't wave at him. He probably didn't buy his Jeep to be just like all the other "hardcore" Jeepers. Four days after I bought mine I was out in the desert w/o the top making sure everything functioned properly. Like many of the Jeep owners I can't wait to start modding, just have to wait for the bank acct. to recover a bit.

I did not buy a Harley or a Jeep for the "lifestyle", as I have my own. Does my Jeep and Harley make my life more enjoyable? Yup.
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:30 AM   #768
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I've had my JK for four months now and I'm noticing Jeepers are waving less and less. I notice that a majority of the non-wavers are on cell phones. I probably went a good two weeks last month without a wave back. I've also been noticing the lack of top/door removal. We've had some
Unbelievable weather here...80's even...I couldn't wait to get "naked". Not a single
Jeep I passed was stripped. Believe it or not, I actually get LESS waves when I'm "naked".
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I've had my JK for four months now and I'm noticing Jeepers are waving less and less. I notice that a majority of the non-wavers are on cell phones. I probably went a good two weeks last month without a wave back. I've also been noticing the lack of top/door removal. We've had some
Unbelievable weather here...80's even...I couldn't wait to get "naked". Not a single
Jeep I passed was stripped. Believe it or not, I actually get LESS waves when I'm "naked".
Amen on that! That's the same reason I see less & less waving - more cell phone use! HANG UP & DRIVE!!!

I'll wave to anyone driving a Wrangler-type Jeep. I don't care...I just like to wave to everyone! And yes, when I'm not in my Jeep, I have to remember that I'm not in the Jeep, so I don't get weird faces back at me.

And Dewey and I just celebrated 15 years together last month. He is now 213,000 miles new! I just love having a Jeep!!!
I don't know about y'all, but I get so hot riding in the Jeep with the top down! Here in DC it gets so blasted hot & humid that I feel like I'm frying. I do on occasion take off the side & back windows. Ah....:
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My turn, I just read all 26 pages so I kinda feel entitled. When I bought a Harley I had absolutely no intention of joining a club, or hanging out at dealerships in rocking chairs dressed like a land pirate. The limited amount of time I have to ride I'm gonna be riding, and not to and from bars. Do I wave at other bikes, you bet! Some of my friends used to go on rides with me and they would often ask about my waving etiquette 'cuz I even wave at scooters, who cares right? Apparently that made them less tough to be riding with some jacka$$ that waves at Kymcos. The only time I don't wave is when I'm busy in traffic, then I can still nod my head - and I don't care if you are a lawyer on a Harley, a Bandito, or wearing a pink helmet on your Vespa you will get acknowledged.

If you really feel "better" than that guy in a suit driving a JK, then don't wave at him. He probably didn't buy his Jeep to be just like all the other "hardcore" Jeepers. Four days after I bought mine I was out in the desert w/o the top making sure everything functioned properly. Like many of the Jeep owners I can't wait to start modding, just have to wait for the bank acct. to recover a bit.

I did not buy a Harley or a Jeep for the "lifestyle", as I have my own. Does my Jeep and Harley make my life more enjoyable? Yup.
right on! very well said.
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All this JK turnover is causing Jk owners to lose value on they're Jeeps because the market is flooded with used Jeeps."

" I could have got a older one, or for a 3 or 4 thousand more get a brand new one " .

Do you realize that you contradicted yourself in the same post ?

If the JK market is flooded why do they cost only a few thousand less and why are you buying a new one ? The truth is they hold their value more than most vehicles and it does makes sense to buy a new one because of the incentives .
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The market is flooded with used because the HP went up to 285 from 202. Of course people want more HP and better fuel economy as well as more torque. If Jeep were to put in a Diesil or a hemi v8 the market would react the same. Even more so when a vehicle holds its value so well.
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My mistake, I am new to this and still learning. I clicked on someone elses post and hit quote, i was trying to respond to it. The first part is what someone else said the second part is what i said. lesson learned guess i did not quote the right way
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I bought my Jeep strictly because I wanted one. I found my 2008, it spoke to me, I had the money, so I bought her. I didn't know about the wave, but I found people waving to me and I waved just so they wouldn't think I was mean. I gathered it was a jeep thing.

My husband refuses to wave when he's driving my jeep. It's embarrassing. That's why I don't even want him to drive it. I dont want me and The Granny to het a bad reputation. Have to though, his truck is a toilet so we take mine when we go out together.

Haven't gone off-road yet. No time. Will do it though eventually.
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I bought my Jeep strictly because I wanted one. I found my 2008, it spoke to me, I had the money, so I bought her. I didn't know about the wave, but I found people waving to me and I waved just so they wouldn't think I was mean. I gathered it was a jeep thing.

My husband refuses to wave when he's driving my jeep. It's embarrassing. That's why I don't even want him to drive it. I dont want me and The Granny to het a bad reputation. Have to though, his truck is a toilet so we take mine when we go out together.

Haven't gone off-road yet. No time. Will do it though eventually.
I know how that is...the first look in the parking lot - Dewey & I were making goo goo eyes at each other! He's such a flirt!

And yes, I bought one because I've ALWAYS wanted one from the time I guess I first saw them!

I've taken Dewey on the Rubicon Trail...just enough to say we had been on it -mainly because I was alone and had no recovery equipment if we got stuck. We have been off road a couple of times in areas that were accessible only with 4X4.
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You know, I too noticed how people talked about Jeeps. The day I was gonna go look at it people were warning me of the "ride". When I test drove it I didn't think it was bad at all. Yes, it's bumpy, but it's not the worst thing in the world. Certainly no worse than my previous vehicle. I'm thinking "what about the vehicle says 'luxury'"anyway? My jeep is fine...just enough stuff: power steering, power windows, air, heat, automatic.

My point is, I knew exactly when I was getting into.
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I wave at everyone, just how I was raised in WY and most here in NM waive to everyone. I did notice, I am the only one riding around with the top down; i'm waiting for the rest of the hardcore jeepers to follow suit. Perhaps I'm crazy (with temps at 34 degrees in the a.m.), I think not. I think I shopped for a year to get the right deal on a TJ and now we are so excited to ride in it with the top off and hitting the offroads. Life is good, the first weekend we owned it 2 weeks ago, was the first weekend the top came off.
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Haha, reel, ive got the same thing going! As soon as the weather broke, I got totally "naked". Most days now I'm at least "half naked". Matter of fact, they were calling for rain today so I put the doors back on and it never rained so I'm mad, haha. Tomorrow I'll probably take everything off even though the highs are only gonna be in the 50's and 60's for the next week. It's called layers, right???

I've noticed the same thing too...no one else is topless...and we've had 80 degree days already too.
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An older Jeeper told me once that the Jeep picks the owner. That has been true with all of my Jeeps. Mine's called Jess, just cause it fit. I bought a Jeep originally because I'm A: a Jeep fanatic and B: my job as a photographer has me going to places a minivan can't go. I'm also an out doors kind of guy so it kinda fits.

That said, regarding the JK thing. My biggest complaint is it is too fancy. I don't want options. I want a 4.0, two solid axles and a transfer case. I'm almost ashamed my '97 has air conditioning. I know I can work on it myself and not have to have the same equipment as I would if I had a JK. That reason alone is why I stuck with my TJ. I just think Jeep needs to get back to basics and design a Jeep Universal. Solid, simple, tough.

Here in Northern Jersey, just about all wave, CJ, YJ, TJ and JK. Remember its not a wave but a salute if you see a MB or any other non CJ military Jeep

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