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Old 02-28-2009, 06:07 PM   #1
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extreme 4x4 today

good episode on today for anyone thats seen it. i'm pretty sure its new.

step by step for setting up gears. you can see all the special tools and measurements needed.

if you get to watch it, think about this. most shops do not go through the steps he goes through, making set up bearings, and assemblying multiple times to get correct. most shops re use old shims and call it a day. and do not have the tools to make the measurements.

most gear set ups in my shop cost around 1200 each, many on here think thats hi, even ian said on extreme, a trained technician gets paid up to 8 hrs to do it. at around $100/ hr, how are people doing gears for $600 parts and labor?

most axles pay around 6 hrs.

anyway, good episode today though.

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DAMN IT!!!! I would love to see that episode. You didn't record it did you? I would love to compare it to the way I set mine up. I made the set-up bearings and used the dial indicator, gear marking compound and reassembled it 20 or so times. I had to fudge a bit on the torque wrench cuz I only had a clicker and not the dial indicating one. I think my pinion bearing preload might be a hair on the tight side. I wonder if that episode is on the net for download.

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i have it on my dvr or whatever the thing that records tv for me. you got a good handle on it. i've said it before, i have over a grand in tools to set up gears. the pinion preload is usually around 15 to 25 in/lb, not ft lb, inch pounds of force to turn. most people do it by feel, some do fine, some do not. i have done enough i can feel it pretty good, and then check it with the dial indicator.

but he does a good job explaining to. some of those other shows like trucks or horsepower tv, they just buzz through things, and i'm sitting here, as a mechanic, thinking, man, they just skipped all kinds of stuff, or time lapsed through the important stuff, and a regular guy is gonna get lost going by what they said. not ian, he did a great job on the walk through.
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Yes, in/lbs. Do you have a way to get that on a disc or something? I'd like to have it for reference and I have a friend over here that needs to see that video. I tried to explain it to him but he thinks its just bolt it up and go.
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i wanna know how, i have at&t u verse. i'm really behind on this stuff, there is a usb port on the digital cable box, i've been wondering if there's a way to get stuff off it to a computer. anyone know how?

oh yeah, most mistakes on gears are making them too tight, either on preload or back lash. there needs to be the specified tolerance or else they burn up.
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I have a DVR box too but I got mine a couple days ago and it isn't hooked up yet. You might be able to hook the USB to the PC and access the files on the hard drive in your DVR box. Dunno yet but if I figure it out, I'll let you know.

Ohh and his makes some God awful noise cuz he did the gear change despite my strong suggestions to not do it.
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no prob, what locker is it?

hey coyote, www.powerblocktv.com

looks like you can view episodes, but this one isn't up yet.
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For some coin and some brew he just might.
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For some coin and some brew he just might.
naw, i just do it for the satisfaction of a job well done.

actually my brew is now mt. dew.
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SAWEET!!! Looks like it. And you can buy them too.

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naw, i just do it for the satisfaction of a job well done.

actually my brew is now mt. dew.
A nickel and a cuppa joe.
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Saw that episode too. Of all the Powerblock shows, this one actually goes into detail and shows you how to do stuff. They all repaet on Sunday btw for those who missed it.
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I'm in England and they don't have Spike TV over here so I have to find other means of watching it.
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well I am looking into buying some new tools and when it comes to somthing good for measuring shims whats better a micrometer or a set of dial calipers?
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well I am looking into buying some new tools and when it comes to somthing good for measuring shims whats better a micrometer or a set of dial calipers?
digital caliper is easiest, even a dial caliper is easy to use. a mic requires some knowledge of how to read.
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Ive seen that episode a long time ago
I already set up my own gears its not that hard you just need to take your time and most guys I know including me use honed bearings to set up the gears
and you always use new shims when setting up the gears
and labor is normaly $300 per axle around here
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Ive seen that episode a long time ago
I already set up my own gears
and labor is normaly $300 per axle around here
they made a big deal that was the 100th episode and it was all new, and its on the website as all new.

anyway, $300 for a job that pays a technician 6-8 hrs? thats what we get for side work around here on a ring and pinion, but not in a shop. thats where i get lost, how can a shop charge that? thats $50/hr, i guess it all depends on area, but labor out here was more than that in the 80's.
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Well in know how to read mic I have some just not a 0 to 1" one But i think i may go for the dial calipers.
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Well in know how to read mic I have some just not a 0 to 1" one But i think i may go for the dial calipers.

You can get one for $25 at Harbor Freight. I've used mine several times on my RC Helicopter and it seemed to do just fine.
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You can get one for $25 at Harbor Freight. I've used mine several times on my RC Helicopter and it seemed to do just fine.
Ya but how accurate can those be thats my ?. Now i didn't know till today because i go to a tech school and take auto i can get like 50% off matco tools and i think snap on too but I'm not sure. My ? is that Ive only dealt with snap on, craftsmen and some mac. How good are Matco they don't seem to be as popular as snap on?
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i prefer matco these days. the tool industry has changed, snap on is no longer the best, but they remain over priced. a lot of tools are all made by the same company, and the big ones put their name on it. its all about the tool guy also. i buy mostly matco, and i think you've seen my matco tool box. i'll use any matco tool, they are every bit as good as snap on, and better in my opinion.
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ok cool. I'm haapy that i can get 50% off thats alot that means more tools.
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well i had a dial indicator that was dropped and broke so i would like to get a new one. Which would u get. This isn't somthing i use every day but use every so often.
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i bought mine from matco, similar to the first link. it has a couple more rods and stuff for set up. any magnetic base with a few pieces will work fine.

if you're gathering tools for gear set ups, also look for a dial indicator in/lb torque wrench, and pinion depth checker, and bearing splitter
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well there is a nice dial inlb for 200 that i can get for 90 so im going to get that. I have a press and bearing splitter and my house so im good there.
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the comunity college here has a tech school and they do the same thing, but its only mac. i thought about enrolling in a class just to get that discount.
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lol ya im glad i found out about this.
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I dont watch extreme 4x4 any more the episode I'm thinking about was a while back jessi chombs was still there

I dont even come on the forums as much any more I'm always out wheeling
Its what happens when you can go wheeling anytime you want since theres tons of trails within a few min. of your house

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