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Old 11-21-2009, 08:10 PM   #1
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Fear when off the pavement

So I met a friend who has land, and hes has a f250... well it rained like a month ago, and we were having so much fun.Then i got stuck, like hard, and after like 30 minutes we got me out, and i gotta be honest, i was pretty scared about what i would do if i couldn't recover or whatever...

Now, even if the mud or obstacle is small, i doubt the ability to make it through. Theres a new shopping center, and the parking lot isnt finished, so the cars park in the "grassy null" when the lot fills up, its ok, everyone dose it.

well i saw a movie there, parked in the null. its wasn't bad before the movie, damp grass. but when i got out it was pretty bad, and there were 3 stuck cars, and a stuck f150, i got in, 4LO'd it. and started to creep.... started to slip.... i said im not getting stuck, i stopped. and thought about what to do, after thought i creep more, but i was moving but slipping alot as i creeped, once i got close i dropped it and flung mud everywhere once i knew i was safe i looked cool ..... i did pull the f150 out! because i felt bad for spinning mud everywhere showing off.

so i mean, is it just my Sh*ty a$$ all terrains that suck and scare me when the obstacle isnt a big deal, or is it just my fear?

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Everyone has a different level of what they feel comfortable doing off-road. As for being stuck. I have walked 4hrs out guiding a busted rubicon driving backwards as we all prayed the front axle didn't fully break off the jeep.

If you can join a 4x4 club in your area.. If you can perhaps visit a few of them at their monthly meetings and see which is the best fit for you. Then go on some trail rides. I think once you get a better idea of what your jeep can do and what you feel good about doing, things will get better. Lastly, yes AT tires despite the name are not the best in mud, or it would seem really wet grass.

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Fear- You would be amazed at what a jeep can do and go even stock. There is not much to worry about - yea the mud terrains might be a little worn out but they will stick well even a little low on tread
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:20 PM   #4
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What tire pressure you running? You might be a little high.
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:58 PM   #5
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I think it's time for a winch...lol
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:39 AM   #6
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I have a winch, where, what am i going to winch to in a shopping center??

i winched the truck out.

and for my own defense... lol the grassy null turned to ankle deep muddy grassy puddles of death )
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:41 AM   #7
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Its got to be my Terrible tires... once mine wear down, its the KL71 MT's or Pro Comp Xtereme MT's.... my father has them on his titan and they preform well.
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Why wait till they wear down? I say sell em with the tread they've got and use the cast to buy new tires
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:09 PM   #9
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Im still under the roof of my parents, being 17. everything i want to do has to pass the Father first, he wouldn't roll with that.
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Old 11-22-2009, 01:22 PM   #10
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Hi, new here but saw this thread so here I am.
I had the same problem behind my house only I sank in 2 feet of mud with a 2.5 engine and open diffs, but it wouldn't have mattered if I'd had lockers, posi, or what cause mud cancels everything.
wanna know how bad mud can really be? I did 20 in the Navy, and I've had a Humvee stuck in 6" of mud before
Also if you have open diffs then losing traction is the worst enemy you have.
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Im still under the roof of my parents, being 17. everything i want to do has to pass the Father first, he wouldn't roll with that.
That was my problem too, as soon as I turned 18 I bought my wrangler, put it in my name, and got my own insurance so I can do whatever the heck I want to it

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Old 11-22-2009, 04:24 PM   #12
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I've got a real long way to go before I can even think about getting my own car. My hometown economy sucks! And I'm almost 19 (I've been a year older than most people in my class..yay class of 2010)

For quite a while I've been telling my parents I want a Jeep. So far..no avail.

As for fear of doing things in a vehicle...hee hee..I'm usually wild and sometimes crazy when it comes to offroading..it's been my life, and I guess a passion.
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Hell, I'm 19 and just bought my first jeep. I remember when everything I did to the car had to go through the "father test" and how I hated it. Looking back, he was right on every aspect... well except my TJ. I bought it and called him up and told him it's lifted and got 35"s on it and he flipped out. He said "big tires only lug a vehicle down, lift kits just raise the center of gravity blah blah blah blah i did it when i was young blah blah blah blah it's not what its cracked up to be blah blah blah blah you're gonna hate it blah blah blah blah....."

LOL

Granted, I live in Germany and he's in New Jersey so he really can't do anything but give me advice, but once I return to the states I'm gonna remind him how much fun a lifted vehicle can be, and how fun off roading is. I took his truck mudding (by accident... i had to recover a come-along my friend left in the woods and I didn't know it was muddy lol) but when I got home he looked at his truck and went "what.....the.....F" and after a few minutes he commented on how cool it looked but i better get all of it off in 1 hour with wax and tire dressing. LOL
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:01 PM   #14
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why be afaid getting stuck broke and dirty are all part of the game and the more stuff you bolt/weld on the farther you go but the harder and deeper you will get stuck and broke

ALWAYS WHEEL WITH A BUDDY AND ALWAYS HAVE A JERK STRAP my two cents
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Old 11-23-2009, 10:27 AM   #15
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I'm interested in the superwench. Is she hot? Does she have a magic lasso or something else kinky like that? At 9,000 lbs, she must have a really wide posterior.

The AT tires are compromise tires, and they will never excel in mud. That being said, swampers and other super mud tires suck on pavement. They're noisy, get crap mileage and don't wear particularly well. They may also create handling issues.

Lot's of guys trailer their rigs to the trail heads to avoid driving a hard core crawler on the highway. I've also seen guys trailer tires and swap out at the trailhead.

The winch is great, but you need an ancher point, or as I've heard tell, but not seen yet, some guys have used a danforth. That's a bit scary, as if it comes loose, that's a good bit a metal that could go flying.

I also agree that you should always have a recovery strap, but I doubt I'd have mine at the mall, as sans security, it would likely get stolen.

Reducing tire pressure makes a huge difference in any loose ground situation. I'll usually go to about 12 lbs.

And whenever possible, especially when planning on challenging your rig's abilities, ride with at least one other rig. That way, you can recover each other should one of you become stuck.
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OK, I don't want to be one of those people that gets all critical on spelling, but I know you're off to college next year, and that you live in freakin' Dallas, so I'm going to correct this.

"Null" - this is a word that means empty or nothing.
"Knoll" - this is a word that means small hill.

So "grassy knoll" is the phrase you're swinging for, and missing. This is an important phrase in the history of the country, and especially in Dallas. And especially when it's close to November 22nd.

Please return to the previous conversation. Thank you.
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I have a winch, where, what am i going to winch to in a shopping center?
Get a boat anchor & keep it under the seat!

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Just make sure it's thick enough to stand the pull. These things will bury themselves deeper as the pull tension increases.

There's also the "Pull-Pal" but they ain't cheap.
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Get a boat anchor & keep it under the seat!

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Just make sure it's thick enough to stand the pull. These things will bury themselves deeper as the pull tension increases.

There's also the "Pull-Pal" but they ain't cheap.
Your in the Navy aren't you?
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Your in the Navy aren't you?
Nope, never was although I was a civilian welder at the Philly Navy yard in 1981.

To the original poster, a certain amount of fear is good. Kinda like when you are working with a bandsaw, you never want to feel so confident that you end up cutting your fingers off.
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Nope, never was although I was a civilian welder at the Philly Navy yard in 1981.

To the original poster, a certain amount of fear is good. Kinda like when you are working with a bandsaw, you never want to feel so confident that you end up cutting your fingers off.

Ok your a civilian who worked in a Navy yard, how did I know you were associated somehow with the Navy Could it be that after 20 years active I found your comment about anchors as a great idea? I am planning on getting a winch, but now thanks to you and some careful though, I'm going to get a boat anchor to go with it, cause it does make sense.

And beepbeepI'minaJeep should listen to your bandsaw comment too, fear can often be your best friend
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Best way to learn how much your Jeep can do (which is far more than you know right now), what YOU are capable of doing and how to overcome the fear, get on down to a Jeep Jamboree next year. It was the best thing I ever did. It's a very taxing two day experience but the tremendous support you have will teach you all you need to know. Get on their web site and take a trip next year. The fear will be gone never to return again. The experience is worth every penny it costs.
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Hello, hope this is the right place. I'm a sucker. Just bought a 97 TJ and was told it had detroit lockers. due to jumping and skidind I took it to a dealer to check out. Was told the gears were welded. What are we talking about to R&R with detroit lockers with a much lower ratio ( to Match the tires ).
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Take it to another mechanic. The dealer mech's may not know squat about a mod. They tend to be flat rate mechs, and nothing more.
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Hello, hope this is the right place. I'm a sucker. Just bought a 97 TJ and was told it had detroit lockers. due to jumping and skidind I took it to a dealer to check out. Was told the gears were welded. What are we talking about to R&R with detroit lockers with a much lower ratio ( to Match the tires ).
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Personally I would never trust a welded diff gear at all, its known as a poor mans locker, and it could seriously damage the differential depending on which one you have. You CAN replace the rear end with a LSD (Limited Slip Differential) But not knowing what motor or gears you currently have make sure you get the same gear ratio you have now.
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Take it to another mechanic. The dealer mech's may not know squat about a mod. They tend to be flat rate mechs, and nothing more.
What do you mean they "might" not know squat LOL I have yet in 46 years to meet a dealer mech that knows anything but stock factory repair.
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I was trying to be charitable to the few that work there for the paycheck, but still have the knowledge and skills of a real mech. But overall, I would tend to agree with you on that, except, I would further qualify it to doesn't know anything but stock factory replacement of parts. I've never heard of a dealer service mechanic completing a repair of anything. All they know how to do is pull a part and put in a new one, even if it doesn't fix what's wrong.
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I've seen one that can remove a broken part and repair it, and I'm 46 years old, I've done all my own work since 1981, cause basically like you said they pull a part and replace a part.
I find it much easier to come to forums like these for each vehicle I have and just read other peoples ideas and suggestions because like on here, SOMEBODY has or has had the same problem.

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