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Old 05-01-2007, 07:44 PM   #31
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Thats crazy.oil companies suck
fromthe 1.35 euros a liter about 1 euro is only for gas taxes and VAT.

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dont go to mobile or exxon they are jacking up their prices to make lots of money this summer

mobile in center of town=3.15
hess 2 miles out of town=2.79
umm no brainer!!!

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$2.93-$2.99 a gal here in southern Ohio.

im think of putting stal-bil in the Jeep. with gas prices going up and my crooked ass job cutting my peice rate pay im going to be riding my bike until it snows again.
50mpg (if i keep it under 10k rpm most of the time ) vs. 13mpg in the rolling brick.
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I think We are the American people stood up to the oil companies, we would win. All we would have to do is not buy gas for one day. That would screw their profit margins up enough to realize that we are serious. oh well at least I can dream right?
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hey if you organize it i will do it

(especially if it were the day after i fill up)

see it would have to be more like a week b/c some ppl would miss the point and fill up the day b4 to make sure they could get through the day and then they wuoldn't lose any net profit

but it would make a point.........
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IMO the only way to even put a slight dent in the oil companies is to conserve, conserve, conserve.

carpool to work. ride a bicycle or walk to the store (i know this isnt a option for alot of people) make less trips if at all possible....ect..

nicolas-eric... i remeber when i was in Germany 5 years or so ago it was crazy what gas was then too. im afrad if i lived there i would have to have a Smart Car.

i hate to sound like some kinda tree hugger (i most defiantly am not) but damn, something has to give.
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that boycott would work marvelously, but the problem is you'd never get enough people to do it. i've thought about it all before
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:46 AM   #38
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The prices won't be dropping anytime soon. Boiling frog, boiling frog, boiling frog!!!!!!! They will rise until we squeal and then drop slightly to satify us. Most sheeple (spelled that way for a reason) wont even bat an eye at paying 6 to 10 dollars a gallon if the companies take their time and slowly raise the rates. We are boiling to death and don't even know it.

I was actually thinking of getting a couple of those vespa things for us. I would look like a circus bear riding one though. If some don't already know it I'm 6'1" and 250LBS.

Suppose to get 70mph and hold highway speeds, or maybe even the ninja 250. I commute less then some but I travel 40 miles a day to work and if it was on scooter it would be much easier on the wallet.

BTW I saw 3.30 on the way to work this morning.
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I'd rather see you on a hog than a vespa tbh.
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I'd rather see you on a hog than a vespa tbh.

My hog got 25-30 MPG (your car gets better mileage then that did) would be in the same boat. Although I wouldn't mind having a hog again as long as I could mod it the way I want it.
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Horse and buggies for sale!! Buy em' while they last!! Won't last long at these incredible prices!!

All ya gotta do is pull em' over in your neighbors yard and let em' refuel...

Gas is $2.78/gal in east Tennessee.....for 87 oct.
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Horse and buggies for sale here!!

Boy the homeowners assoc would have a fit!!!! I like it.
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3.70$ for a fill up on the way home.....3.80 down the street
......maybe the cheap gas I bought had "filler" in it
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cheapest around me is 3.11$... and others about 5-10mins away is up to 3.3#?? !! holly crap!
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We're up to $2.99/gal around the airport. That sucks too, because my gas light just popped on.
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Is it possible to run somthing like e85 in a jeep. I now ethonal eats rubber so some things would need to be changed out.
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I was wathing some show on tv and they were saying it is a relatively easy and inexpensive ($100.00-ish) upgrade to make ANY gas vehicle run safely on E85. I don't know if that's true but it sure sounds good. Problem is- E85 is just as damn expensive!
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Yup, you got to remember E85 is dramatically less efficient than gas... in other words your gas mileage is MUCH worse on E85 than on the 10% Ethanol 90% gasoline mix we are running right now. Unless you can get E85 for 1.50 a gallon, its really not worth it..
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E85 is mostly made from corn -----------------

Brian Williams on NBC news tonight said "Guess what's going to be more expensive at the grocery store...anything that has to do with corn,corn ingredients to the farmers feeding it to livestoock.Because it's also being used for automobiles,they can't keep up with demand."

No win for losing this spring/summer

Gasoline in Cali at one gas station on the news was $3.49......WTF??????
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Ya I know that it is just as much $ or more than gas.I was just wondering if it was possible. Also ethonol can be made out of alot more than corn. It can be made out of the grass in your yard.
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$3.05 where i live
10 miles away-
$2.85
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E85 is mostly made from corn -----------------

Brian Williams on NBC news tonight said "Guess what's going to be more expensive at the grocery store...anything that has to do with corn,corn ingredients to the farmers feeding it to livestoock.Because it's also being used for automobiles,they can't keep up with demand."

No win for losing this spring/summer

Gasoline in Cali at one gas station on the news was $3.49......WTF??????

Dont know if its true or not, since I am not a farmer myself, but I was told that the government pays you more money NOT to grow corn, than you would make growing corn and selling it.

Weather theirs truth to that or not I dont know.
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E85 is mostly made from corn -----------------

Brian Williams on NBC news tonight said "Guess what's going to be more expensive at the grocery store...anything that has to do with corn,corn ingredients to the farmers feeding it to livestoock.Because it's also being used for automobiles,they can't keep up with demand."

No win for losing this spring/summer

Ironic but Corn is what My Mom and Step Dad grow on the Farm. They have been barely breaking even the last several years (the crops are only paying the taxes and the seed) and even had a full years crop that had to be sold as feed corn because the price of feed corn was higher. I will have to ask what they are recieving now. Last year When we were there they only got about 5k for each load's worth (heres a pic of a similar sized truck but My step dad did some modding and extended the rear about 8 feet).
http://www.bradfordbuilt.com/images/MeechBrosTruck1.jpg Someone is making money somewhere but not the farmers

We are seeing more ethanol added here, 10 percent at the pump. I also see that everything is rising in price because of the cost of fuel. We use to be able to fill the entire cart at the local grocery store for 150 to 200 dollars, now we get 3 to 6 bags worth.
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I was wathing some show on tv and they were saying it is a relatively easy and inexpensive ($100.00-ish) upgrade to make ANY gas vehicle run safely on E85. I don't know if that's true but it sure sounds good. Problem is- E85 is just as damn expensive!
Fuel pump, fuel line, injectors, return lines, as for $100 I don't think so, fuel pump alone is over $200 and it needs to be E rated. We have a couple of people on naxja from brazil, down there it's all ethanol, trick to getting it to work is remove the head and have it shaved to bring the compression ration up to 10:1 or 11:1, at that point the engines run really well. As for the gas prices you are seeing unadultrated greed and opportunisim on the suppliers and others in the supply chain figuring they can get 'their share' and no one will notice..
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ya well when people start seeing 4.00 a gallon ontop of all the new taxes the democratic states are going to see, people are going to be forced to either move, get new jobs, or give up and claim bankrupcy. problem is, everyone starts getting new jobs the market is going to flood..

maybe i am pessimistic, or just too young, but if all the dem states pass new taxes like the MD proposal, i think we are going to be on the verge of another depression. on the other hand, we may see the people revolt and have another civil war, but i think we are going to see a drastic change within the next few years..

untill then, I am just gonna keep the gas cans full, keep stocking the ammo, and await the day i take the jeep and retreat to the farm
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ya well when people start seeing 4.00 a gallon ontop of all the new taxes the democratic states are going to see, people are going to be forced to either move, get new jobs, or give up and claim bankrupcy. problem is, everyone starts getting new jobs the market is going to flood..

maybe i am pessimistic, or just too young, but if all the dem states pass new taxes like the MD proposal, i think we are going to be on the verge of another depression. on the other hand, we may see the people revolt and have another civil war, but i think we are going to see a drastic change within the next few years..

untill then, I am just gonna keep the gas cans full, keep stocking the ammo, and await the day i take the jeep and retreat to the farm
I agree we are on the edge of an economic depression as we chat. All it will take is one little push. Who knows, maybe rising gas prices will be that final push. As far as a new revolution. I don't see that happening our nation has way to many Sheeple in it, Not all of them are but enough to stop a revolt.

I personally was un-brainwashed when I saw how rancid people can act when it comes to money/greed.

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Ya I know that it is just as much $ or more than gas.I was just wondering if it was possible. Also ethonol can be made out of alot more than corn. It can be made out of the grass in your yard.

I was watching an EarthDay program on the Science channel (or one of those channels) and they did a comparison on how much ethanol can be made per acre of crop. Corn gives appr. 365 gallons/acre, sugarcane = 635/acre and switchgrass (our good ol' american prairie grass) = 1100+ gallons per acre! AND switchgrass grows like weeds...

They were also saying that Brazil pretty much uses only ethanol for fuel and have for the past 30 years. They make all theirs out of sugarcane. Why is this technology so freaking slow to get to us?
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You neglected to mention the first insult in the conversion factor when you go to Germany and transfer your cash to Euros. That's approx. 30% loss just for crossing the border and now you have to buy gas @ 1.35 euros. That's almost $9.00 per gallon with the conversion.

I had the pleasure of working in Munich a couple years ago on business. Never saw one jeep but I did see a 6 speed diesel- turbo Jeep Cherokee. One of the guys in my group rented it....what a slug it was.

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I would love to get a motorcycle, but my dad wont stand for it b/c that i swhat he ahd when he was a kid and he has told me stories, basically he has know idea how he survived some of the things he did

sigh i guess i will have to use my jeep all the time, although i am debating walking to school anyways, it is only a mile and take me 20 min. there and 8 back, (huge hill) i figure ina year i will only save like $100 though since 2 miles, 14 mpg $3/g

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