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Old 05-04-2007, 05:24 AM   #61
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Did anyone else see the program on the discovery channel about when the gas runs out. That was pretty close to what I think will happen.

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I want to convert to propane or natural gas wouldn't that be cheaper and more efficient?

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I want to convert to propane or natural gas wouldn't that be cheaper and more efficient?
Price and economy are about the same as gas last I saw. I may be wrong.
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3.79/gl of regular here in san juan capistrano ca. what a rip off!
I"ve started driving my old volks as my daily driver just so they get less money from my wallet.
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Damn I thought the 2.79 here was bad at least you ain't gotta run premium I have to put that in my TA and its almost $3 or it might be just over now.
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$3.59 in Southern California today. I've been stealing my sons Toyota truck sometimes to save gas. I saw a program on TV talking about Ethenol. Brazil has Ethenol at every pump in the country and it cost $.89 a gallon. New GMC trucks can all run ethenol. I heard some politician the other day saying corn Ethinol cost as much as gas so why do it. What a moron. We're not making whiskey here. Ethenol can be made from cheep sugar beats or lots of other cheeper stuff than corn. What do you guys think about this. I'm all for finding a way to stop giving my money to Arabic countries that hate us and saving myself $$$$.
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What a moron. We're not making whiskey here. Ethenol can be made from cheep sugar beats or lots of other cheeper stuff than corn. What do you guys think about this. I'm all for finding a way to stop giving my money to Arabic countries that hate us and saving myself $$$$.
I just got visual.....moonshine but this go around it's Ethenol gas/corn/?????:o
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Old 05-04-2007, 04:44 PM   #68
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Ethanol can be made from prairie grass (switchgrass) at more thab triple the number of gallons per acre as corn. Corn give like 350 gal/acre and switchgrass will give around 1150 gal/acre.
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You guys know that the oil companies have put us in this position on purpose. The supply of oil is not the problem. The lack of refinery capacity is the culprit. They have not built a refinery in like 30 years. As long as they cannot convert the raw product into the finished product, the prices are high. They make out like a bandit on both fronts... They save money by not building refineries and they can charge outrageous prices because there is not enough refineries to keep up with the demand!!!
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need to get a mulitifuel engine out of a deuce and 1/2.

if it will burn a deuce will run it


or a diesel bike and convert to veggi oil
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Anyone heard of how the hydrogen test cars GM (I think) put out this year?
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or a diesel bike and convert to veggi oil
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Ninja 250r, definately not the fastest bike, but 70 mpg and 2900 brand new off the floor

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$3.45 here in So. Oregon and the MORONS want to raise the tax. It is getting to be way more of those that have,have and those that don't,don't.
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You guys know that the oil companies have put us in this position on purpose. The supply of oil is not the problem. The lack of refinery capacity is the culprit. They have not built a refinery in like 30 years. As long as they cannot convert the raw product into the finished product, the prices are high. They make out like a bandit on both fronts... They save money by not building refineries and they can charge outrageous prices because there is not enough refineries to keep up with the demand!!!
That's right, lets also not forget that technology has been here for decades that would allow people to use alternate methods but auto manufactures, oil companies, and the government are all in bed together and fleecing the American people (and we let them do it).
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Ninja 250r, definately not the fastest bike, but 70 mpg and 2900 brand new off the floor
Awww! So thats what you are getting me for my birthday next week?
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Awww! So thats what you are getting me for my birthday next week?
Ok everyone what did I just back into here



Yes dear I was planning on getting a pair of them. But you know me, I want to save and pay cash for them. Not interested in paying interest.
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Ok everyone what did I just back into here



Yes dear I was planning on getting a pair of them. But you know me, I want to save and pay cash for them. Not interested in paying interest.
Yup, make sure mine is lipstick red
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Yup, make sure mine is lipstick red

What not pink.

I still like the horse and buggy idea
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If you get me a pink bike I'll get you a purple one!

and horses sheet too much, unless you want to clean it up! =P
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and horses sheet too much, unless you want to clean it up! =P
more fertilizer for the roses
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Conserving fuel will do nothing to stop the prices. The oil companies set the price by how much fuel they refine. A bolt breaks at a refinery and they up the price 2 cents a gallon. They have shut down refinery after refinery to get the price at this level, one that makes them a HUGE profit.
If 10 million people across the US stopped using gas the price would not change. More bolts would magically break, more strange and unexplainable fires would break out and the oil companies would simply refine less oil to hold the current price, or what ever price they want.
Some people wrongly think its about supply and demand and if they and many others use less gas the price will go down, its just not going to happen. The US has more then enough refining capability to sustain cheaper gas prices its just being throttled by the oil companies to keep profits at world record levels. They control the supply to keep the demand at higher levels.
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even if conserving fuel will not lower the prices it will lower how much you have to pay per week, year, etc.
and reduce your emissions and impact on the environment, and the amount of money going to foreign countries.....
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Bottom line, gas WILL run out someday, but it will be a long time coming. The country we import the most crude oil from is CANADA. So it's not like we are funding war machines or anything. Granted, the most highly publicized place is the middle east, but thats just it. It's the way the media portrays it that makes it seem like we get every drop of our oil out of Iraq and Iran, which is most deff not the case. In terms of ethanol, it's an AMAZING idea. Brazil is already running on 100% ethanol, but it took them about 10-15 years to get that way. The only problem we have is that when transporting ethanol, there is a buildup of condensation in the tankers and the water dilutes and effectively ruins the mixture. So it would take us quite a long time to totally switch over, but I think it is a process worth working towards. As well, the large reserve that we just uncoverd in the gulf of mexico about 2 years ago is still being mapped and tapped. One HUGE reason for this whole problem is that we haven't built a new refinery since about 1986 and the ones that we do have are rarely running at full capacity. Why would we not have built one? Well, Exxon and Texco might be a reason behind that. They are the owners of the factories and they know that people need gas and are willing to pay for it. So why build new refineries when you can just increase the prices and keep pumping out of the old ones. The entire thing is a mess and it is going to take a long time to figure out. So, it is in all of our best interests to just do what we can to conserve. No Jackrabbit starts, cruise on about 60mph is premium for a gas engine and can save you some $$. Little things go a long way.

Man.. that was a rant.. not preaching guys/girls.. just thought I would voice what I know from some private research.

Sorry :o
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<SNIP> So, it is in all of our best interests to just do what we can to conserve. No Jackrabbit starts, cruise on about 60mph is premium for a gas engine and can save you some $$. Little things go a long way.

Man.. that was a rant.. not preaching guys/girls.. just thought I would voice what I know from some private research.

Sorry :o</SNIP>
x2. With the top and doors on, I am able to get about 17.5mpg in my Rubicon by just watching my starts, keeping RPMs under 2300 while accelerating, and setting the cruise at 58-60mph. Course I have a Rubicon, so anything over ~63mph your turning 2500+RPMS I can also get about 13.5 with the top off backseat in, ~14/14.5 with the backseat out.

Just watching how you drive and keeping the motor from needing gas while save you a lot of $.
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MERRILL, Wis. - A service station that offered discounted gas to senior citizens and people supporting youth sports has been ordered by the state to raise its prices.

Center City BP owner Raj Bhandari has been offering senior citizens a 2 cent per gallon price break and discount cards that let sports boosters pay 3 cents less per gallon.

But the state Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection says those deals violate Wisconsin's Unfair Sales Act, which requires stations to sell gas for about 9.2 percent more than the wholesale price.

Bhandari said he received a letter from the state auditor last month saying the state would sue him if he did not raise his prices. The state could penalize him for each discounted gallon he sold, with the fine determined by a judge.

Bhandari, who bought the station a year ago, said he worries customers will think he stopped the discounts because he wants to make more money. About 10 percent of his customers had used the discount cards.

Dale Van Camp said he bought a $50 card to support the local youth hockey program. It would have saved him about $100 per year on gas, he said.
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Ya skeeter, they did that (the state) last year or the year before here.

They even passes a NEW LAW that says they cant under charge for gas compared to other stations!
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How 'bout them boys in Austin! Here in Texas they are trying to recall the State surcharge of $.20 gl. Only for the summer months, but that is almost unheard of! BTW I paid 2.87 last week for reg
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How 'bout them boys in Austin! Here in Texas they are trying to recall the State surcharge of $.20 gl. Only for the summer months, but that is almost unheard of! BTW I paid 2.87 last week for reg
You sure that .20cent "surcharge" isnt your state tax? Federal tax is like 51 or 56 cents something like that, maryland tax is 26 on top of that, and they want to raise it more. California and NY have the highest gasoline tax, maryland is next I believe.

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