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Old 05-28-2013, 10:37 PM   #1
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GOING TO HAITI!!! What does my jeep need??

I'm a newbie driver of a 2010 rubicon unlimited. It's been my dream car since I was a kid. initially, attracted to it for its aesthetics, however, now that I purchased one for myself and plan to bring to Haiti for my development projects, I have a whole bunch of new questions! I will be using my Jeep to drive up mountains ad hardcore mud terrains to bring medical supplies to very under developed and remote villages! Otherwise, the villagers will have to walk 8 hours to get to our cholera clinic which is the only one in the area! So please help!!

How should I deck out my jeep with about a 5000 dollar budget??? Help me prepare for the worst conditions!

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I did a little research here and there and this is what I've temporarily decided on so far:

- Teraflex 2.5 lift kit
*either the set with shock adapters, or shocks, or the budget boost with shocks (depending on what will work best with the other mods and to ensure stability on highways)

- Smittybilt winch 10000 lbs and winch plate on factory bumper
(do you suggest I get an aftermarket bumper and winch mount?)

- 35" tires (not sure which ones yet?)

- Bushwacker flat flare fenders
*for the extra room for 35inch tires on a 2.5 inch lift and just for the aesthetics of them!

- Snorkel
(not sure which one, but looking for cheapest one that will do the work)

Questions;
1. If i get an aftermarket bumper for the winch will the front end sag with just the shock adapters? Or do I need the lift kit with the shocks included?

2. Will the budget boost lift kit be bad for highway driving?

3. I think my jeep may be experiencing some death wobble even with just my factory tires and other suspension specs.. Do I need a steering stabilizer for all this? Or do you think one of the lift kits will fix it as it gets installed?

Thanks in advance guys! Really appreciate the help!

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A mounted machine gun might be a nice addition...
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:10 AM   #4
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Haha no kidding. You would think right? But that would be the dumbest thing to do in haiti. I work in cite soleil too! Most dangerous and poorest place in the western hemisphere according to the UN. Seen people get shot few times already while I was there.

Back to jeep talk. Keep the suggestions going folks!!
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:44 AM   #5
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Since you're going to be literally in the boonies I wouldn't go cheap on the suspension or the winch. You want something that you can depend on. I'd stay away from a BB, I'd go with an OME lift, I think 33" tires may be good for you, 35" may be too much tire for your 4:10 rear gears, also a proven winch, like a Warn.
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I would also think about taking some spare parts with you like u-joints, tie rods, axle shafts, etc...it would suck to be out of commission for a couple weeks because of parts availability.
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well, if you are mostly cruising in the woods, or mud terrain, you aint's gonna get very fast, and so there will be no death wobble..

Good advice on stocking the spare parts, unless they will pay for the shipping cost..

Get some KC lights too, will come in handy at night.
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Ok so I've done a little more research and realized I asked some dumb questions...

I've finally decided on the Teraflex 2.5 lift kit with shock adapters.. Will that kit be enough for when I get a bumper and winch? Or will it sag?

Also, will 35" tires work if got the flat fenders as mentioned earlier?
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It may sag later after the springs settle. And I doubt you would be able to after you install it all.

I want to steer you away from 35's. Of course you won't be going fast and if you ever get stuck anywhere you do have the 241 t-case to get you out. But with your 4.10 gearing, the lackluster v6, hilly terrain and loaded down with supplies you may be regretting the decision with no way out. Also with bigger tires everything wears faster and unavailability of part will be even more detrimental. I also suggest extra parts(Tie rod ends, u-joints, brake pads, grease, oil, air and oil filters, full set of tools). Might want to look at a transmission cooler, though granted I am not sure if the JK's would have problems with that in your conditions.

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Ok so I've done a little more research and realized I asked some dumb questions...

I've finally decided on the Teraflex 2.5 lift kit with shock adapters.. Will that kit be enough for when I get a bumper and winch? Or will it sag?

Also, will 35" tires work if got the flat fenders as mentioned earlier?

I have a Rock Krawler 2.5" lift with Blistein shocks and a 13k winch. I got a little sag but you can't tell by looking at the Jeep.
I also have 35" tires and flat fenders. If you are looking for flat (often called tubular) fenders, I'd recommend the wide ones from Ace. They are rock hard and much tougher than the plastic ones on the market.

You can check the link in my signature line if you want to see what my setup looks like.
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Good set of tools, air compressor, good first aid kit, and 31 to 33" tires with a 2 to 3" suspension lift.

Some place to secure extra gas and water.


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I have an OME 2 inch lift on my 09 Unlimited Rubicon. Worked out to a little over 2.5 installed. I have 33s and think they are about all the engine and 4.10 gears can handle. If I ever (eventually) go to 35s, I would regear.
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It may sag later after the springs settle. And I doubt you would be able to after you install it all.

I want to steer you away from 35's. Of course you won't be going fast and if you ever get stuck anywhere you do have the 241 t-case to get you out. But with your 4.10 gearing, the lackluster v6, hilly terrain and loaded down with supplies you may be regretting the decision with no way out. Also with bigger tires everything wears faster and unavailability of part will be even more detrimental. I also suggest extra parts(Tie rod ends, u-joints, brake pads, grease, oil, air and oil filters, full set of tools). Might want to look at a transmission cooler, though granted I am not sure if the JK's would have problems with that in your conditions.

Give us links to the products you're considering.
Thanks for replying with good info!

Personally, though, I just think 33's will be too small for a 4dr with 2.5 lift and flat fender flares... Maybe just not get the flat fender flares??

Here are the links to the stuff I'm looking at

Lift kit
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16190_2501_07.htm

Tires and wheel combo
http://www.quadratec.com/products/92609_210X_P5A_PG.htm

Flat flares
http://www.quadratec.com/products/12506_4444_07.htm

Winch
http://www.quadratec.com/products/92122_1001_07.htm

Winch mount
http://www.quadratec.com/products/92122_1102_07.htm

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I have an OME 2 inch lift on my 09 Unlimited Rubicon. Worked out to a little over 2.5 installed. I have 33s and think they are about all the engine and 4.10 gears can handle. If I ever (eventually) go to 35s, I would regear.
Would it be possible to tell me exactly what regearing options I need to look at? And approximate costs???
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I have a Rock Krawler 2.5" lift with Blistein shocks and a 13k winch. I got a little sag but you can't tell by looking at the Jeep.
I also have 35" tires and flat fenders. If you are looking for flat (often called tubular) fenders, I'd recommend the wide ones from Ace. They are rock hard and much tougher than the plastic ones on the market.

You can check the link in my signature line if you want to see what my setup looks like.
I can't seem to see your pic? I'd really like to check it out though!!

Do you prefer the rock krawler over the Teraflex??

And have you been experiencing any of the problems all the other people are mentioning I might have? Not that I doubt any of their knowledge and advice.. Just really think 35's look so much better with this combo and especially for a 4dr!!

Thanks in advance!
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I can't seem to see your pic? I'd really like to check it out though!!

Do you prefer the rock krawler over the Teraflex??

And have you been experiencing any of the problems all the other people are mentioning I might have? Not that I doubt any of their knowledge and advice.. Just really think 35's look so much better with this combo and especially for a 4dr!!

Thanks in advance!
I like the Rock Krawler because it's easily upgradeable. I started with the Stock Mod and along with new Blistein shocks, it's very stable on and off road. I currently have Goodyear Duratracs that are roughly 35" (315/75R16). If I decide I want more flex and/or larger tires in the future, I just need to swap out components of the lift kit.
My Jeep is an '07 and I have 4:10 gears and I personally see no need to re-gear.
As far as the "death wobble" goes, the main cause of it is loose/worn bolts and bushings. One of the biggest preventative measures you can do is making sure you have proper torque on all you bolts. You want to make sure you have proper torque both on install and periodically after off-roading.
My rig's my daily driver as well as my weekend warrior. I'm very happy with my setup, both lift and tires.

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Besides a glock in your glove box? A set of wrenches, sockets, and two torque wrenches.
These ones are on killer sale from amazon right now:
CDI Torque 1002MFRMH 3/8-Inch Drive Metal Handle Click Type Torque Wrench, Torque Range 10 to 100-Fo - Amazon.com
CDI Torque 1502MRMH 3/8-Inch Drive Metal Handle Click Type Torque Wrench, Torque Range 20 to 150-Inc - Amazon.com


And a service manual.
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I like the Rock Krawler because it's easily upgradeable. I started with the Stock Mod and along with new Blistein shocks, it's very stable on and off road. I currently have Goodyear Duratracs that are roughly 35" (315/75R16). If I decide I want more flex and/or larger tires in the future, I just need to swap out components of the lift kit.
My Jeep is an '07 and I have 4:10 gears and I personally see no need to re-gear.
As far as the "death wobble" goes, the main cause of it is loose/worn bolts and bushings. One of the biggest preventative measures you can do is making sure you have proper torque on all you bolts. You want to make sure you have proper torque both on install and periodically after off-roading.
My rig's my daily driver as well as my weekend warrior. I'm very happy with my setup, both lift and tires.
I have to say man ur lift and tire combo's a beauty!!! Are those flat fenders from ace too?
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I have to say man ur lift and tire combo's a beauty!!! Are those flat fenders from ace too?
Yep, the wide ones.
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I've actually been to Haiti. You see a lot of people drive Land Rovers and ATVs. There is a good reason for this. Out of NOWHERE it will pour down rain, I was visiting the Citadel (a castle up in the mountains) since we were in the clouds we didn't really feel the rain but the village below was flooded. The water dissipates quickly so you need to be weary, large puddles too big to drive through will crop up. You'll find the terrain to be very diverse, mud, sand, rock and grass. All within a stones throw of each other.

If you want to chat more I can tell you more about what to expect from a cultural standpoint.

As for your jeep, they make do fine with stock land rovers. We made it almost all the way up the mountain in one. The thing that I'd be most worried about isn't your clearance or your tires. It's the parts on your vehicle! You'll definitely need a way to lock down your hood, trust me, if someone steals your battery or worse a rare part, it's going to be pretty hard to get that jeep home or at least to a place you can secure it from more parts being stolen. Theft is pretty rampant, almost the entire country lives in poverty. These people aren't doing it out of spite they are doing it to feed your family, these people are desperate and the people are going to be pretty brave when it comes to taking whats yours.

I hope no one takes this as me talking down on these poor people, I loved Haiti and the people there. I'm just giving a guy some tips on NOT losing his JK or pieces of it.

Hood locks will be necessary, I'd go for wheel locks too for all 5 wheels. A hard top would also be beneficial. Assuming you will have room inside your vehicle I would bring a hi-lift jack and tuck it under your back seat. Make sure you bring the offroad base or some cinderblocks incase you need to jack it up in a muddle area. A survival shovel wouldn't be bad either. Maybe even some Rotopax, gasoline is hard to come by in certain areas. Also I believe a good ratchet set, and I do mean GOOD, no harbor freight cheapies, would also be in your best interest as well to bring.

You also have to consider you are going to stick out like a sore thumb there. One of the doctor's who went on a trip to the same hospital I did months before got mobbed by a group of children outside of the compound he was staying it. The childen were all excited to actually meet an american. He made the mistake of giving some of the kids money, the next day instead of 15 kids. It was about 100 towns people, by the next day several HUNDRED people from surrounding villages came. All just to get money from the American. The more your trick out your vehicle the more attention you will draw.

Lastly, this tip I can't stress enough. There are no real "laws" when it comes to driving on the road be careful!!! Basically the biggest vehicle has the right away. Don't forget that! Yes, driving on the street is terrifying. Luckily I was in a big deuce and a half (we were always the biggest ;-)

Wrote this on my phone so I hope it all makes sense.
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In summary, worry less about your tires and more about surviving what will probably be one of the best times of your life. =)
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I've actually been to Haiti. You see a lot of people drive Land Rovers and ATVs. There is a good reason for this. Out of NOWHERE it will pour down rain, I was visiting the Citadel (a castle up in the mountains) since we were in the clouds we didn't really feel the rain but the village below was flooded. The water dissipates quickly so you need to be weary, large puddles too big to drive through will crop up. You'll find the terrain to be very diverse, mud, sand, rock and grass. All within a stones throw of each other.

If you want to chat more I can tell you more about what to expect from a cultural standpoint.

As for your jeep, they make do fine with stock land rovers. We made it almost all the way up the mountain in one. The thing that I'd be most worried about isn't your clearance or your tires. It's the parts on your vehicle! You'll definitely need a way to lock down your hood, trust me, if someone steals your battery or worse a rare part, it's going to be pretty hard to get that jeep home or at least to a place you can secure it from more parts being stolen. Theft is pretty rampant, almost the entire country lives in poverty. These people aren't doing it out of spite they are doing it to feed your family, these people are desperate and the people are going to be pretty brave when it comes to taking whats yours.

I hope no one takes this as me talking down on these poor people, I loved Haiti and the people there. I'm just giving a guy some tips on NOT losing his JK or pieces of it.

Hood locks will be necessary, I'd go for wheel locks too for all 5 wheels. A hard top would also be beneficial. Assuming you will have room inside your vehicle I would bring a hi-lift jack and tuck it under your back seat. Make sure you bring the offroad base or some cinderblocks incase you need to jack it up in a muddle area. A survival shovel wouldn't be bad either. Maybe even some Rotopax, gasoline is hard to come by in certain areas. Also I believe a good ratchet set, and I do mean GOOD, no harbor freight cheapies, would also be in your best interest as well to bring.

You also have to consider you are going to stick out like a sore thumb there. One of the doctor's who went on a trip to the same hospital I did months before got mobbed by a group of children outside of the compound he was staying it. The childen were all excited to actually meet an american. He made the mistake of giving some of the kids money, the next day instead of 15 kids. It was about 100 towns people, by the next day several HUNDRED people from surrounding villages came. All just to get money from the American. The more your trick out your vehicle the more attention you will draw.

Lastly, this tip I can't stress enough. There are no real "laws" when it comes to driving on the road be careful!!! Basically the biggest vehicle has the right away. Don't forget that! Yes, driving on the street is terrifying. Luckily I was in a big deuce and a half (we were always the biggest ;-)

Wrote this on my phone so I hope it all makes sense.

Thanks for the input.

All my experiance there was with the Air Force and I didn't leave the flightline.
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Fuel Cans and Water Cans And Stabil.... Tire Repair kit.

I would skip the area with a private vehicle though....
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I've actually been to Haiti. You see a lot of people drive Land Rovers and ATVs. There is a good reason for this. Out of NOWHERE it will pour down rain, I was visiting the Citadel (a castle up in the mountains) since we were in the clouds we didn't really feel the rain but the village below was flooded. The water dissipates quickly so you need to be weary, large puddles too big to drive through will crop up. You'll find the terrain to be very diverse, mud, sand, rock and grass. All within a stones throw of each other.

If you want to chat more I can tell you more about what to expect from a cultural standpoint.

As for your jeep, they make do fine with stock land rovers. We made it almost all the way up the mountain in one. The thing that I'd be most worried about isn't your clearance or your tires. It's the parts on your vehicle! You'll definitely need a way to lock down your hood, trust me, if someone steals your battery or worse a rare part, it's going to be pretty hard to get that jeep home or at least to a place you can secure it from more parts being stolen. Theft is pretty rampant, almost the entire country lives in poverty. These people aren't doing it out of spite they are doing it to feed your family, these people are desperate and the people are going to be pretty brave when it comes to taking whats yours.

I hope no one takes this as me talking down on these poor people, I loved Haiti and the people there. I'm just giving a guy some tips on NOT losing his JK or pieces of it.

Hood locks will be necessary, I'd go for wheel locks too for all 5 wheels. A hard top would also be beneficial. Assuming you will have room inside your vehicle I would bring a hi-lift jack and tuck it under your back seat. Make sure you bring the offroad base or some cinderblocks incase you need to jack it up in a muddle area. A survival shovel wouldn't be bad either. Maybe even some Rotopax, gasoline is hard to come by in certain areas. Also I believe a good ratchet set, and I do mean GOOD, no harbor freight cheapies, would also be in your best interest as well to bring.

You also have to consider you are going to stick out like a sore thumb there. One of the doctor's who went on a trip to the same hospital I did months before got mobbed by a group of children outside of the compound he was staying it. The childen were all excited to actually meet an american. He made the mistake of giving some of the kids money, the next day instead of 15 kids. It was about 100 towns people, by the next day several HUNDRED people from surrounding villages came. All just to get money from the American. The more your trick out your vehicle the more attention you will draw.

Lastly, this tip I can't stress enough. There are no real "laws" when it comes to driving on the road be careful!!! Basically the biggest vehicle has the right away. Don't forget that! Yes, driving on the street is terrifying. Luckily I was in a big deuce and a half (we were always the biggest ;-)

Wrote this on my phone so I hope it all makes sense.
Thanks for the reply!

I've been living there for over two years now and I am on just a little break as my wife is pregnant.

As I mentioned before, I'm in cite soleil which is one of the largest and poorest slums in the western hemisphere.. Luckily, I speak the language fluently and have respected my community long enough that I am more a part of it rather than seen as a foreigner trying to act like some super hero to just help with the immediate problems and leave shortly after. Not saying I have problems with all short term aid workers though.

The doctor who gave free money like that is very ignorant. That is absolutely the worst thing to do, not only for the Haitian who received it, but even for us long term development workers as we are threatened by people who are used to getting free and easy money from ignorant foreigners in the past. Some of us are there to serve and help for the long run... Trying to train and develop the locals to stand and sustain on their own. However, most haitians can't respect that because foreigners have almost turned them into beggars.

For me theft and violence are my least concern.

My concern is driving 3-4 hrs up a mountain, multiple times per week to get medical supplies to a village without a clinic or anything. Otherwise, the villagers only option is to walk down 8-10 hours to get to one of my clinics which is the closest one.

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