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Old 01-11-2011, 12:23 PM   #1
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HELP! Mechanic says...

Master brake cylinder is totally empty.
Need to replace calipers, rotors, and pads.
$800+
Might need to replace master cyl too.
Don't feel safe driving it... Advice??

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:29 PM   #2
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How long did you drive it before you noticed you didn't have any brakes?

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:38 PM   #3
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For a shop to do all of that I'd have to say that $800 is a reasonable price. This is why regular maintenance goes a long way in reducing the need for these types of bills. I'm going to guess that your caliper piston seals are leaking, possibly your rear wheel cylinders, pads and shoes either worn out or covered in brake fluid, your rotors can be turned if there is enough left of them unless you drove around with no brake material left on the pads and severely damaged them. The only thing I don't understand is the master cylinder? Unless he isn't sure if that is a problem and mentioned it just in case or if he's trying to rip you off? So, a full brake job with all new parts and a new master with labor will run you about $800. If your brakes are that far gone I would advise NOT todrive it anymore until you repair it. If you have the option go to a part store and pick up the parts, find a friend who is competent to do some brake work, find a garage and find out exactly what you need to fix and do it.
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Do you have friends? Do you or them have basic tools?
Save yourself 500-600 bucks and do it yourself. How did the master run out of fluid?

Most of this repair is unbolt, rebolt. even the master is not a big deal to install. The hardest part would be bleeding the system of air after its all hooked up.

I would at least get another cost estimate for the repairs.
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:11 PM   #5
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Yeah. Second call and mech changed his mind. Said the leak is most likely the calipers.
$247 and should fix the leak. I don't check it every week but fluid in cylinder a few weeks ago.
Dealership about 3 months back said pads were at 50% in the front and 75% in the back. Could they really have worn down that much in 3 months?
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:46 PM   #6
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Dealership about 3 months back said pads were at 50% in the front and 75% in the back. Could they really have worn down that much in 3 months?
No, unless you drive with your foot on the brake all the time or you just put 25,000 miles of city driving on in those 3 months. Not all inspections are that accurate however so it may not have been what they said.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:53 PM   #7
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Also depends on how much mud/water off-roading you've done since then, with----


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Yeah. Second call and mech changed his mind. Said the leak is most likely the calipers.
$247 and should fix the leak. I don't check it every week but fluid in cylinder a few weeks ago.
Dealership about 3 months back said pads were at 50% in the front and 75% in the back. Could they really have worn down that much in 3 months?
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:51 PM   #8
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UHH, this is really easy to know what is leaking. if he's that unsure I wouldn't trust him.

This is very easy work, the hardest part as stated above is getting air out, but that's not terribly difficult if you bench bleed the Master Cyl first...oh and lining up the brake lines can be difficult at times (YOU DO NOT WANT TO CROSS THREAD THEM)

oh, and to restate the above again, Do NOT drive it.
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Just didn't make sense. I've been driving it for 3 months now and I know I haven't heard any noise, seen any fluid under my jeep, and there's been no performance issues.

They were nice when I dropped the jeep off. They were very curt when I picked it up. Drove it nice and slow, paying attention to any noise, shakes, anything... Nothing. Made it home safe. I have pads at home. Need to find some nice rotors.
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Old 01-12-2011, 09:37 PM   #10
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If its the calipers or rear wheel cylinders leaking and it was enough to drain the master cylinder you should be able to see the "staining" from the brake fluid without even disassembling anything. If its a caliper you usually see it on the body of the caliper itself which you can see through the holes in the outside of the rim or from the back side of the rotor. If its a wheel cylinder it can be on the backing plate around the cylinder or sometimes around one of the inspection holes. If it drained the master in a matter of a week or two I would think it should be easily identifiable provided you werent mudding with it since then.
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Thanks all. I dropped it off to a coworkers mechanic (who is trusted). I told him the other place freaked me out but it just didnt jive and wanted a second opinion. He called back 30 minutes later and said that the pads looked fairly new. The rotors were in good condition too.
"What? Are you sure?"
He said they don't need replacing.
I couldn't believe it. That Tire Plus would make the condition so catastrophic...

I had my doubts but with the braking system, I really didn't want to take any chances, you know?

Can't tell you how happy and angry I was when the second mechanic (Certified Auto) told me the news. No charge. He said just bring the jeep back when I need something done.

I'll definitely be posting on online blogs, epinion.com, BBB, etc.

Tire Plus in Rockville on East Gude. Can't say they're all bad but I won't be going back and will be letting others know to avoid them.
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Old 01-13-2011, 04:48 AM   #12
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Why would you get your brakes done at a tire shop anyway????? This completely baffles me to no end. Sorry but this is at least the third thread about tire shops screwing up brake jobs this week. Tire shop for tires, Brake shop for brakes, Brain surgeon for brain surgery etc. I'm glad it worked out for you though, you've got to learn to do a basic vehicle and fluid inspection at least once a month to keep on top of things that way you'll at least have an idea whats going on with your Jeep and not have to trust some shady mechanic thats trying to rip you off.
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I went in for an oil change not brakes.
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When a mechanic says that you need this or that, simply ask them to show you. There have been times when I doubted something and made them show me what the issue was. Then you can make an informed decision whether or not to have the repair made.
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Old 01-13-2011, 07:24 AM   #15
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You're right. Def overreacted. Glad I might've found an honest mechanic in the process.
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Master brake cylinder is totally empty.
Need to replace calipers, rotors, and pads.
$800+
Might need to replace master cyl too.
Don't feel safe driving it... Advice??
Ask the mechanic what he used to suck out all the brake fluid before he pitched this BS. My guess would be an ear syringe or turkey baster.
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^^x2 Lots of dis-honest techs out there unfortunately...

As well, most of them now are not techs who troubleshoot. They are "certified parts replacers" not technicians. Therefore, to make their job easier, you should just buy all new hardware for them to install. They won't get as dirty that way... Come on, you have an extra $800 to give away don't you???

Geeze... glad you found an honest place to take it to. Saves a ton of stress and money when only the failed part is replaced. To many people think that buying new parts is troubleshooting. NO! Troubleshoot first, then buy one part and be done with it.
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:47 PM   #18
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When a mechanic says that you need this or that, simply ask them to show you. There have been times when I doubted something and made them show me what the issue was. Then you can make an informed decision whether or not to have the repair made.
I manage a 40 bay shop and all my techs know that if they are going to call
anything, they damn well better able to bring the customer down into the shop and explain to them why they need to spend their hard earned money! I always ask them, would you spend money to fix it if it was your mother/child/wife driving the car? If so, then recommend it. Goes a long way in building a business clients can trust!

When I hear some stories of peoples experiences at some repair facilities, I'm not suprised
so many are weary to trust the industry....Sad

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