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Old 07-26-2009, 03:27 PM   #1
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Hey guys can you take a took at this jeep for me please, (New Guy)

OK guys I found a nice jeep (I think) I would like some opinions on what you think its worth or if it would be worth it to trade for my 95 BMW M3. Here some info.









-1997 I think about 150XXX miles
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-5 35" tires at about 95% he says
-6 inch skyjacker lift
-6cyl 5speed
-Best soft top?
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Thats all I can think of for now, Its got a OH salvage title because of the fender flairs he told me (does that sound made up?) I think they were ripped off somehome (check pics)

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that salvage story is a little fishy, whats your bmw worth?

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that sounds a bit like bs to me other wise looks cool make sure to check the frame and be really carefull when it comes to the title could cost u in the end what was the price on it
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5500 obo for his jeep and I was asking 6000 for my BMW here in PA just over the border, but I was negotiable down to about 5200.

I can see the metal bent there in the fender area, the pictures up top are after the fix and what it looks like now. What would you all recommend aside from the obvious stuff and frame? (He said the frame was solid and strong) Supposedly he has owned a few jeeps.
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is the jeep a 4.0 motor? regearing the front isn't cheap, anyone who does it for less than 550 scares me, and my shope its about a grand an axle parts and labor, you gotta be weary when talking about buying modified jeeps. best money you can spend is pay a trusted auto shop an hour labor to inspect the jeep.
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Ill find out if it is 4.0 and its about 550 for the front gears? WHats the best place to take the Jeep for that? Im pretty good with mechanical stuff but if it requires some major precise fitment then Ill leave it to a pro, what else should I ask before I drive three hours to check it out? Thanks guys.
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gear install is not a diy job, aslo needs to be done by an expereince gear installer, not just anyone in a shop. 550 is super cheap, and don't let just anyone with a cheap price do it was my point.

look under the carpet, and at the rockers for rust also. the sport sticker means 4.0 as long as its not just a sticker. don't bother if its a 2.5 motor. with a modified jeep you can count on running into some things to deal with down the line, unforseeable, but at least you drive an older bmw, so you are used to that.
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Don't salvage titles come with vehicles that are considered totalled by the insurer? I would think that the fenders being torn off would not justify a salvage. Sounds a little off to me considering a full set of fenders will set you back a little over $100.00
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Don't salvage titles come with vehicles that are considered totalled by the insurer? I would think that the fenders being torn off would not justify a salvage. Sounds a little off to me considering a full set of fenders will set you back a little over $100.00
Im going to look into this and thanks above for the thoughts. Ill be sure to bring it all up and see how he responds. Thanks alot fellas. Ill be sure to let you know what I find/happens.
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Sometimes a salvage title is used to hide a stolen vehicle.
How this works is you purchase a totaled/salvage at an insurance auction or from a junk yards and use the salvage title for the stolen vehicle. Some will alter the vin tags or destort them so they cannot be read or in some cases the vin tags can be swaped. Check the vin tags on this vehicle.
As far as getting a salvage title for fenders! I don't think that happend.
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Sometimes a salvage title is used to hide a stolen vehicle.
How this works is you purchase a totaled/salvage at an insurance auction or from a junk yards and use the salvage title for the stolen vehicle. Some will alter the VIN tags or distort them so they cannot be read or in some cases the VIN tags can be swapped. Check the VIN. tags on this vehicle.
This is even less of a problem to do when it is an intestate transaction.
Be careful if a few years down the road the vehicle is proved stolen and this happens more often than you might think you will lose the vehicle and could even face charges, even though you didn't know.
As far as getting a salvage title for fenders! I don't think that happened
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I'd be really careful with that thing. The salvage title deal is BS. I've worked as an auto adjuster for an insurance company in Ohio. There's a reason it has a salvage title, and it's NOT the fender- you need to find out what it is before going any further w/ considering this purchase. I would not buy this thing without 1st getting a Carfax, and 2nd having that thing thoroughly gone over by someone who knows what they're doing and what to look for.
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Something else a little strange about this. The 1st pic is of passenger side, fenders intact, the 2nd pic is of driver's side, again fenders intact and the 4th which is only a limited view is of a ripped off fender. What other damage was incurred that is not shown in pic 4?
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Ill find out if it is 4.0
You shouldn't have to find out, It says 4.0 right on the body.
Also, It looks like the first 3 pics were taken on 7-25-09 the last was taken with a different camera most likely a different time also. If you look at pic 1 you can see the same damage as in pic 4 but now the flair has been replaced.

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My question is and no sarcasm intended. Is this the only jeep for sale in your state? If there are a lot of what ifs and concerns on this jeeps history, to me that's a red flag. I would walk away and look elsewhere.
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My question is and no sarcasm intended. Is this the only jeep for sale in your state? If there are a lot of what ifs and concerns on this jeeps history, to me that's a red flag. I would walk away and look elsewhere.
My thing is it will be a trade, I dont want to buy this outright and have 4 vehicles, theres no need for me to have 4 or 3 even, but Im a sucker for project cars. Also this is in OH, Im located just to the right in PA, but its only about 2.5 hour trip.

All this information given, Im going to get the true low down tomorrow from him. VIN, report, and the agency that "salvaged" the Jeep and what ever else I can.

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Whats with the front driver tire not matching as well. Also that flare was not torn off by a person. If you look at the metal it is tweeked a but much like mine looked like after an SUV didnt check his blind spot on the highway and came over into my lane. We were both going around 65mph and he pretty much bounced off my over sized front driver tire, cracked my flare, tweeked the fender, and then if you ever watch cops pitted himself into the jersey barriers causing his new Ford Explorer to roll over one full time. I would take a real close look at the suspension and frame up in that corner. Luckily I really only had cosmetic issues and managed to drive away but the other driver had to get cut out with the jaws of life.
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I would keep looking!! i just got my 98 with a hard top 4.0 5spd for that with a clean title.. i worked in a couple of body shops and if it is a "salvage title" stay away!!!
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My thing is it will be a trade, I dont want to buy this outright and have 4 vehicles, theres no need for me to have 4 or 3 even, but Im a sucker for project cars. Also this is in OH, Im located just to the right in PA, but its only about 2.5 hour trip.

All this information given, Im going to get the true low down tomorrow from him. VIN, report, and the agency that "salvaged" the Jeep and what ever else I can.

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Whats with the front driver tire not matching as well.
That's a good pick up! Beleive it or not mismatched tires can cause some issues with 4wd. The price with all of the issues concerns me. It might be a good "project" vehicle for half that amount. You should also carefully check the PA MV laws as far as transferriing that salvage title goes. you could run into some problems if you're not careful.
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Hey guys, how abou the 4Cyl jeeps? Are they that bad? Tell me more about them please. I have a guy with a pretty beat looking 95 with 140XXX miles whos offering 1700+ the jeep and its a 4cy 5Spd with a lot of maintenance recently done...Ill post the pics of that in a min







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4 cyl is a reliable work horse motor. but its a tough transition, especially from a sporty car. it will go anywhere off road, but leaves some desire on the pavement, and hi way. it will last forever just like the 4.0, i've had a few of each, i'll only do the 4.0 after owning them.

plus you're changing gears to a yj now from tj. whole new set of issues to look for, mainly rust and rot on the rear of frame, floor pans, rockers in and out, windshield frame.
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yea theres rust, dammit I dont know what to do now. Im about to say screw it and turn the BMW into a track car and save for a jeep at a paying job after my internship is over. Im very impatient when it comes to vehicles I guess.

I also spoke to the OH salvage jeep and he stated the matching front tire is on the back as a spare and the title is just why he said it was...because of the fender. Then he re affirmed it was a good reliable jeep that would not dissapoint its next owner. I may take the road trip out just to check it out. Thanks so far for the help.
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I wouldn't trade for either of the two you have posted.
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If you can just hold out for a while, you will find a great Jeep without all the problems you are running into so far. You stated you have other vehicles also. No need to rush into it. Are there any local 4X4 clubs or shops in the area? Most small shops (non big box stores) allow people to post for sale ads. Clubs will usually have meetings at a local pizza place or something and there are usaully Jeeps with for sale signs at the meetings. Just a couple of thoughts. Good luck with your choices.

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Dont do either jeeps man. Keep watching craigslist and for sale ads. And check other areas, ive seen jeeps around here that are nice and cheap. So be patient man. Oh and there are lot of other forums like you stated before, so just check on there. Its nice to buy from a fellow jeeper who knows about jeeps.
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If it does have a salvage title the jeep is worth 50% of a clean title. Thus The 1st jeep should be around $2500. The 2nd jeep YJ, is a rust bucket. Keep looking.....
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yeah chek ur local craiges list but agian take everything u learned here a put it to use when doing that though i looked for a full year before i found something i thought looked good but i also didn't have the cash u do so that will open a few more doors for u

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