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Old 10-31-2007, 10:18 AM   #1
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Holy Crap!! Amazing!!

This sounds amazing, and totally made up, but check it out for yourselves, it's unbe-freakin-leivable! This guy has found a way to make saltwater burn! Can you imagine being able to fill up your Jeep w/ salt water and off you go?!


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we've been able to burn water for a long time. all he's doing is splitting the hydrogen and oxygen molecules and then burning the hydrogen. The problem is and has always been that it takes more energy to split the molecules than you will get from burning the resultant hydrogen. It's a net loss in energy.
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we've been able to burn water for a long time. all he's doing is splitting the hydrogen and oxygen molecules and then burning the hydrogen. The problem is and has always been that it takes more energy to split the molecules than you will get from burning the resultant hydrogen. It's a net loss in energy.
BUT, if we can find a way to convert electricity into a way to run an internal combustion engine, we may be closer to eliminating our dependence on fossil fuels. We can make lots of electricity without burning fossil fuels, but as of yet, we haven't found a reliable way to make an strictly electricity powered vehicle that performs in a way our society is willing to accept Even if the net energy is negative, we may be able to find a way to trade electricity for this new cleaner renewable source for powering our vehicles. It hasn't been discussed yet, at least as far as I've seen, how much power is required to do this, but if it can be accomplished at a reasonable power level, it might be feasible. Not to be difficult, but it takes far more energy to get petroleum out of the ground than it makes, so we have to understand that any energy source is going to have it's drawbacks, it's just a matter of which ones we are willing to accept.
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I've been tossing up the idea of taking my tow rig to a local guy who can convert it over to a Duramax/Allison combo that will run on Canola oil. Will make about 1100ft.lbs and get 45+ MPG. That is 1170 miles on 1 tank of gas.
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I've been tossing up the idea of taking my tow rig to a local guy who can convert it over to a Duramax/Allison combo that will run on Canola oil. Will make about 1100ft.lbs and get 45+ MPG. That is 1170 miles on 1 tank of gas.
your dookie build? only way that thing is getting 45mpg is if you strap your self to the engine and run with it.
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I've been tossing up the idea of taking my tow rig to a local guy who can convert it over to a Duramax/Allison combo that will run on Canola oil. Will make about 1100ft.lbs and get 45+ MPG. That is 1170 miles on 1 tank of gas.
I see! The only problem with that is that on a large scale, we can't produce enough canola oil to replace petroleum, kinda like all the other bio fuels, we keep coming back to the inability to efficiently grow enough w/out seriously disrupting our food production system. But the mods to your tow rig sounds way cool! Keep us posted, fer shure! Is your tow rig already Duramax/Allison diesel and just making the fuel change, or are you going all out to convert a gasser?
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We can already do it.
You can build or buy an electrolysis system to produce your own hydrogen or you can buy hydrogen from a gas supplier.
The conversion to run hydrogen in your internal combustion engine isn't much more complicated than running propane.
BMW has done a great deal of work on hydrogen powered internal combustion engines and has a viable car ready to go.
The Germans were experimenting with hydrogen powered engines all the way back in WWII
The problem is we can't produce enough electricity to produce enough hydrogen to make it a viable alternative to petroleum at this point.
We would need to build dozens of nuclear power plants or cover the plain states with wind mills in order to meet demand.
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Well, as I understand it, there is also an issue of infrastructure, trying to store and transport hydrogen in bulk. If we could make it onboard, one step from salt water to fuel, it eliminates most of the infrastructure issues
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I see! The only problem with that is that on a large scale, we can't produce enough canola oil to replace petroleum, kinda like all the other bio fuels, we keep coming back to the inability to efficiently grow enough w/out seriously disrupting our food production system. But the mods to your tow rig sounds way cool! Keep us posted, fer shure! Is your tow rig already Duramax/Allison diesel and just making the fuel change, or are you going all out to convert a gasser?
I have a 6.0 Gasser so the jump would be awesome! I'm not very energy efficient. All 3 of my vehicles get around 28mpg.
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I have a 6.0 Gasser so the jump would be awesome! I'm not very energy efficient. All 3 of my vehicles get around 28mpg.
Not to mention ex-freakin-spensive! Might be cheaper to just trade up to a diesel and make the swap?
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Not to mention ex-freakin-spensive! Might be cheaper to just trade up to a diesel and make the swap?
Where's the bling in that??

EDIT: I'm trying to find pics of some of the conversions he's already done. Check out this one he did.

http://thedoubleduke.com/pics/Disney10.07/towrig.jpg
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Well, as I understand it, there is also an issue of infrastructure, trying to store and transport hydrogen in bulk. If we could make it onboard, one step from salt water to fuel, it eliminates most of the infrastructure issues
But you wouldn't be able to do it on board.
You would have to have a way to generate more electricity to produce the hydrogen then the energy you would get from it.
It takes more energy to split H2O than the energy produced by burning hydrogen, that's why it's a net loss.
This guy has done nothing more than build a different type of electrolysis system. I'd be willing to bet his machine takes even more energy than a standard electrolysis system since he's having to convert energy into RF before using it to excite the water.

I'm all for hydrogen powered cars but getting the green weenies to let us build the power production infrastructure to make it happen would be an uphill battle.
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Where's the bling in that??

EDIT: I'm trying to find pics of some of the conversions he's already done. Check out this one he did.

http://thedoubleduke.com/pics/Disney10.07/towrig.jpg
Well, I guess when you've got close to 6 figures in a Wrangler SE, what harm could it possibly do to drop a quick $20k or so into an already running truck? I figure you could get your money back in fuel savings in no more than 3-400 years, huh?

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Haha. I don't care about saving money on fuel. I lost that a long time ago. I'm at the pump at least 3 times a week with my job anyways. I'd just like the ability to tow a couple rigs to and from the trail. I talked with the owner of H-Line about my pickup. Their conversion for my pickup starts around 75k.

http://www.hlineconversion.com/

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