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Old 05-07-2012, 12:56 PM   #1
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Question How should I spend my $3.5k ?

Hello, I am a young, generally inexperienced owner of a 2008 JK Unlimited Rubicon. By the end of this month I will have about $3,500 (4k is my absolute limit) to spend on my completely stock vehicle. Currently my amateur vision is to get a 3-4" suspension lift to fit new wheels and 35x12.5 tires. I've made this thread to ask anyone what they would get if they had my vehicle and 3.5k to spend on it. Please feel free to be as vague or as specific as you'd like. I appreciate any feedback!

I've owned my jeep for almost 2 years now. I use it to explore state lands and trails around the northwest lower peninsula of Michigan, and the upper peninsula. Too many times I've come across a log or rock that was just a little too large for me to comfortably continue on. Oh and I've also snapped off the valve stems on 2 of those stock wheels. I'd love some upgrades that could let me feel more comfortable with the current scenarios I'm driving into as well as introduce me to more intermediate off-roading trails and parks.

I've done some shopping for lift kits and when I read all the specific little differences and types between the kits, I feel totally lost. So any specific product recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

- What tires/size would you buy?
- Which wheels would you get?
- What kind of lift would you install?
- Would you recommend something else?

Here is a picture of my Jeep today:


This is going to happen. I will post before and after pictures for everyone to enjoy. Forgive me if this thread is in the wrong sub forum, feel free to move it if it is.

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Old 05-07-2012, 01:25 PM   #2
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Hmm what transmision do you got?

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Old 05-07-2012, 01:39 PM   #3
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Hmm what transmision do you got?
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:43 PM   #4
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Great forum you guys got here. I can't stop reading. It looks like a popular build people do with this vehicle is a 3.5" lift with Bilstein 5100 shocks and 35" BFG km2s. This is something I think I'd like to emulate. From what I've read, a concern would be the power 35" tires would drain from my vehicle.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:12 PM   #5
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How to sepnd your money? I would make a tax deductable donation to me.!
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:23 PM   #6
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So far I'm considering this AEV 4.5" kit + shocks: AEV Conversions N0244100AA - AEV 4.5" DualSport SC Suspension System with Bilstein Shocks for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler Unlimited JK 4 Door with LHD - Quadratec

To sit on top of 35" km2s. Would my stock, automatic transmission, have and inexcusably hard time driving this?

This setup would demand I go to the absolute limit of my budget. I'd have no problem going down to 33" tires and a 3.5" lift if some more experienced jeepers think that'd be better overall.
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:13 PM   #7
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I think to max out your dollar here might be best to avoid a 35 and regearing as well as the aftermarket rear tire carrier bumper you will need to haul your spare 35in tire around.. The 42rle auto is so far undergeared you can probably just manage to tollerate a 33 with the usage of the aev procal which is a programer that will help you adjust a few things among them being shift points.

Discoverer Radial STT Cooper Tires DISCOVERER STT 33X12.50R15LT OWL 108Q x 5 ($1000)

Match them up with a 15x8 inch wheel that has 3.75-4.5in of back spacing.. Now with that said not all 15x8's work do to the size of the JK brake calipers so you will have to find out which ones do.. there are a bunch of threads in here on the subject. Sorry I can't think of any specific wheels off the top of my head but did find some here Definitive list of 15" wheels that will fit JK?! - Page 2 - JeepForum.com

Should be now around 1500-1600 dollars between wheels and tires.

AEV Procal AEV Conversions 30406007AB - AEV ProCal Module for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec ($150)

I would take about ($100-$200) for a CB Radio set up as communication on the trail is very important.

So were at around $2000 now. Presuming you get $3500 that leaves $1500 left for some combonation of lift, winch bumper/winch, and armor you don't have yet..

Out of those 3 first thing is first since I guess you still have it in tact get a Evap Cansister Skid.. Trust me this is a pretty vaulnerable part of your Jeep and you don't want to be damaging it.

Evaporative Canister Guard - for Jeep JK Wrangler - Skid Row Offroad ($122)

I would also start to look at what else your factory skids aren't protecting.. like there being no tmk enginge trans skid Engine/Transmission Skid Plate - for Jeep JK Wrangler - Skid Row Offroad ($388) However unlike the the evap cansister skid which you should 110% get I would way this option against lift and recovery expense..

So lift.. Best not to be wheeling alone anyways so I'd lean twoards the lift to help clear those tires even though a winch bumper and winch is nice.. Look twoards a 2.5-3in lift.. this will alow you to avoid spending money on a new drive shaft.. What lift to get.. Well this is always fun..

Just a thought is the 3in zone lift 3" JK Suspension System. There is a vendor or two here that sells zone lifts. I'd talk to one of them to make sure you get everything you need for a 3in lift on a JK among the options that come with the lift kit package as well.. Teraflex is another decent lift company that you won't totally break the bank on.. I'd research and take a look at their 2.5-3in lift as well. I know it's a wide range but bank on $500-$1000 for a lift.. Also not everyone has the ability to instal there own lift so labbor cost might come into play for you on this as well..

This is were I would start.. If any money is left over then other accesories like the winch and winch bumper can be looked at..
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:18 PM   #8
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I know I said it in the post above but has to be said again regearing is $1500 give or take $300. I would say power drain is a nice understatement running 35's on your stock 4.10's
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I know I said it in the post above but has to be said again regearing is $1500 give or take $300. I would say power drain is a nice understatement running 35's on your stock 4.10's
You have been a tremendous help! Your advice has put me into another frenzy of online research. Part of me still wants 35" tires at all cost, even if it means fattening up my wallet for a couple more months. I've read some things and even heard from a friend, with the exact same vehicle, that his 4.10 42rle tran. works fine with 35" tires. But he made it clear to me that he doesn't do any demanding "crawling". Do you think a 4.88 gear ratio would do the trick?

After I do some shopping and tally up all the expenses, I'll make the decision to invest in a naive 35" tire setup or the more reasonable 33" setup you've described. Thank you so much for your FREE expert advice!
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:01 PM   #10
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Always glad to help when I can.. For 35's and your trans you will want 5.13 or 5.38's.. I would lean twoards 5.38's.. Whether you get 35's and regear or not remember don't forget the aev procal as it is of very good help with adjusting the performance of your jeep

You want to be in the green..



Something else If you go to 35's is order a D44 c guesset kit to help strengthen your front axle as well as looking into getting a truss for it.. However if you don't plan on going hard on it cause it's the D44 and not the weaker D30 you should be OK... However others who know a bit more on this axle strengthening mod will chime in I hope..


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I am a TJ guy so most of the stuff I am going to comment on is just from what I have read...

Just some things I noticed...you said 4.5" lift. It is my understanding that on the JKs, you can get away with 35s on a 2.5-3" lift. The advantage to this? I believe once you start getting to a higher lift, you have to address the driveshafts, which turns into an additional cost.

You will probably want to regear as has been mentioned. This will put your jeep back around the stock powerband after you upgrade tire sizes.

XJ Knight mentioned a truss for the front. I personally havent heard of many guys running a truss on the JKs (doesnt mean it doesnt happen). The C gussets and inner sleeves seem to be a popular upgrade/insurance, however I dont believe they are mandatory for running 35s.

Being an automatic, you may consider investing in a tranny cooler if you havent already.
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:51 PM   #12
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Cons Good call on the Trans Cooler.. He's right if you don't have one, Get one asap.. And inner sleeves knew I forgot something
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Honestly if it were me, i would spend that money on a good winch (Warn powerplant probably) and some good bumpers, rock sliders, and armor.
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I've found multiple threads that mention anything higher than a 2.5" lift requires a new front drive shaft for automatic JK unlimiteds or else this happens:
At this point I'm now factoring in that expense as a must.

From what I've read, unlike the 2 door JKs, the 4 doors don't have to worry about the rear driveshaft. phew!

Today I've learned that my original budget of 3.5k is probably not going to cut it. I did not account for regearing or a new front driveshaft. I will spend the next couple of days assessing my finances with my new, more informed, desires. I may have to edit this thread to read something like "How should I spend my 5k?"

This has been a product day of research. I've spent 8 hours at my computer today learning all that I can about tires, lifts, gear ratios, and all the complications that can occur with my specific vehicle. Thanks again guys! If anyone reading this has any thoughts or advice, please do not hesitate to chime in. I cannot stress this enough, I know very little!
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You do have to worry about the drive shaft on the JKU the difference being how high you can go before having to replace it.. Max lift for the stock ds before needing to be replaced For the JK is 2.5in and for the JKU it's 3in..
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You do have to worry about the drive shaft on the JKU the difference being how high you can go before having to replace it.. Max lift for the stock ds before needing to be replaced For the JK is 2.5in and for the JKU it's 3in..
My understanding is that this is true only for the front ds and not the rear. Is that accurate?
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Correct those limitations are for the front.. I think for the rear it's 4in for the JK and 4.5in for the JKU but don't quote me on that

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