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Old 07-26-2009, 12:31 PM   #1
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how to break a tire bead?

I've not done this before and I need to do this on my 38x12.5x15 TSL/SX so I can change the valve stems.

I've found a couple of handy tools specifically for breaking tire beads:

01. Extreme Outback Beadbuster

01. Tyrepliers Beadbreaker


and also something called the R&R BEADBREAKER, but I could not find where that was sold anywhere but in australia.


Have any of you used these methods or have a better way to break the bead of a tire? I'll be doing this alone in my own garage and so I won't have another jeep to drive up on the tire to break the bead so that method is out.

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the first one looks cool but i could probably build one for way cheaper the 60 bucks but good find still

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didn't look through all that, but just take them to a tire shop. changing valve stems costs about 10 bux tops a tire, and takes 1 min each w/ a tire machine. no need to put yourself through the extra work of doing it by hand.
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haha, thats the same thing Hunter told me when I mentioned I was going to try replacing the valve stems, "just have discount tire do it for $10-20 per tire."

but I'd really like to be able to do it myself especially if I need to do this on the trail.

I think the first one is simplest and cheaper. I've heard guys using the the hi-lift by itself without the little foot adapter. But if the whole beadbreaking can be done easier then I think I'll get that foot adapter. FIrst I've got to buy a hi-lift jack... I gave mine away since I never had a use for it
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Old 07-26-2009, 03:26 PM   #5
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R&R BEADBREAKER...

Here's that other tool I was describing in my first post. I couldn't find where it's sold in the USA though. It looks pretty good and can help remounting a tire too.

http://www.randrbeadbreaker.com/pdf/...20pg%202-3.pdf
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I did one of mine with soapy water. After that I loaded the oher 4 and took them to the tire store and has them break the tires down.

What type of valve stems are you using? On my beadlocks I just pulled them through the hole and they basically seated themselves. It was super easy. Especially if I can do it.
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jump up and down on the tire.
lower your jeep on the edge of the tire.
let the air out and drive about 20 feet.

Have you or anyone else ever needed to replace a valve stem on the trail?
Take it to a tire shop.
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full size spare is required when i go wheeling, i'd rather just put the spare on than change a valve stem on the trail.
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I have found that it is much easier to change the valve stem in the field than to replace the tire. Just use one of these. http://www.ameintl.net/51025.pdf

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But how does the valve stem get damaged?
I've been offroading since I could walk and have never damaged one.
Am I missing something?
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But how does the valve stem get damaged?
I've been offroading since I could walk and have never damaged one.
Am I missing something?
maybe if you have those vavle stems that are 2" long designed for old wheels w/ huge hub caps. those get damaged when people rub them on the curbs, but obviously they don't belong in any normal wheel these days. the right valve stem shouldn't get damaged, and if it does you really tor up your wheel on a rock or something anyway.
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Take the tire off lay it flat on the floor, and with a few well placed blows with a hammer the bead will pop off. I would never pay some one 10 bucks to replace a valve stem. As for getting the bead to seat, mix up some soap and water and just lube the bead up good, then put the air to it.
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But how does the valve stem get damaged?
I've been offroading since I could walk and have never damaged one.
Am I missing something?
Yeah, your missing something... you havn't wheeled in arizona

the VERY first time I ever went four in my 2004 rubicon I took my neice, nephew, and sister to Sadona, Az to do some simple rock trails. That was a simple 2.0 trail.

10 minutes on the trail and the front drivers side valve stem was cut off by a rock. Went flat immediately

I had a spare tire and just used it.

But with my 200 lb tires and rims I only have the 4 tires that I drive on. And so losing a valve stem is something I'd have to be able to do. I don't carry a spare anymore.


Okay, back on topic. The question is not which tire shop to go to

I just want to know which method is prefered for breaking a bead.

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back to derail

no spare is a bad idea, and if you do change a valve stem on the trail i'm assuming you have on board air to air it up. lots of work and money to not carry a spare. again, spare is mandatory in the groups i wheel with.

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I have found that it is much easier to change the valve stem in the field than to replace the tire. Just use one of these. http://www.ameintl.net/51025.pdf

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thats pretty cool! It won't work on my wheels though because I've got the rock rings welded around the outer lip and wouldn't be able to get the tools in there properly.

I sent an email to 4x4 safari who make that R&R beadbreaker tool to see if they have any dealers here in the US. I'm still leaning to the hi-lift foot adapter.

FYI... for those derailing this into who carries spares or not... I've made that decision and I've got the CO2 and I'm happy with that decision. THanks for your concern but lets put that into a seperate thread . I stopped carrying the spare a few years ago when I got rid of the spare tire carrier and bumper that would keep me from climbing the steep rock ledges. And I saved myself about 300lbs in the process. I've since been using bias tires with strong sidewalls and a good tire plug kit... getting the valve stem issue covered will make my weight saving plan of not carrying a spare complete I admit I'll probably be sorry eventually for not carrying the spare and I'll be sure to let you know so you can say "I told you so!"
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Take the tire off lay it flat on the floor, and with a few well placed blows with a hammer the bead will pop off. I would never pay some one 10 bucks to replace a valve stem. As for getting the bead to seat, mix up some soap and water and just lube the bead up good, then put the air to it.
the hammer plan hasn't worked. That was my first idea. lol. something about having nearly 1" thick sidwalls.
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I did one of mine with soapy water. After that I loaded the oher 4 and took them to the tire store and has them break the tires down.

What type of valve stems are you using? On my beadlocks I just pulled them through the hole and they basically seated themselves. It was super easy. Especially if I can do it.
I've got just simple regular valve stems. I've got a valve stem tool to help pull and set the valve stem in the hole. I'm going to try it this week
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Yeah, your missing something... you havn't wheeled in arizona
Umm ya, I have

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the VERY first time I ever went four in my 2004 rubicon I took my neice, nephew, and sister to Sadona, Az to do some simple rock trails. That was a simple 2.0 trail.

10 minutes on the trail and the front drivers side valve stem was cut off by a rock. Went flat immediately
I've never heard of that happening.
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Okay, back on topic. The question is not which tire shop to go to

I just want to know which method is prefered for breaking a bead.
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FYI... for those derailing this into who carries spares or not... I've made that decision and I've got the CO2 and I'm happy with that decision. THanks for your concern but lets put that into a seperate thread .
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the hammer plan hasn't worked. That was my first idea. lol. something about having nearly 1" thick sidwalls.
Sledge hammer, it's how we do it on semis so I can't imagine it not working on a wee little Jeep tire. I just wouldn't want to be beating on my tires and risk missing.
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Umm ya, I have


I've never heard of that happening.
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Sledge hammer, it's how we do it on semis so I can't imagine it not working on a wee little Jeep tire. I just wouldn't want to be beating on my tires and risk missing.
lol. yeah, I should have a better sense of humor considering this is WF.

That was the ONLY time I've lost a valve stem by the way. Weird it was my first time wheelin in the rocks. The reason I'm swapping the valve stems to begin with is because the rock rings I have forces me to bend thte valve stem backwards just to be able to get an air chuck on it when I fill er back up with air. That bending has cause the vale stems to crack and wear and one is so worn that it looks like it is falling back inside of the rim.

But I have seen other people loose valve stems on the trails out here. It doesn't happen frequently but I've seen it happen at least twice. The rocks get into the wheel and just don't like valve stems for some reason

I tried the hammer/mallet but the thing just bounces off. Maybe I was doing it wrong. I'm going to ask my friend to drive his dodge up onto the sidewall of my tires as they lay flat on the ground. That should work and only takes a few minutes. I don't know why I make such a big deal out of this. lol

Here is a photo of my rockrings incase anyone is wondering what I meant by that.

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the hammer plan hasn't worked. That was my first idea. lol. something about having nearly 1" thick sidwalls.
We have a hammer just for doing this, I like to call it a duck bill on the one side. We use it for truck tires, skidder tires, stubborn car tires even. Im thinking maybe the six foot tall forestry rated tires might be a little more stiff than you jeep tires, the key is a well placed hard blow.
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Sorry Ben never used any of those products before. When we are doing them up at the shop we always have something else to drive on them with and we never try to get tires off of standard wheels. Beadlocks only.

And Skeeter, I've ripped off a few valve stems wheelin. When in the rocks you'd be surprised where rocks can end up on your rig. Inside the wheel is a natural occurance.

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